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Famous Russian Weapons that aren’t Russian

Aside from current events and geopolitics, we here at Coming Anarchy also dabble in our fair share of other topics including geography, history, law, religion and sociology. One topic we have occasionally covered has been weapons and technology. So, to combine several of our favorite themes, I’d like to bring you a short history of two of my favorite historical weapons with some surprising details you may not know.

The StG44: Father of All Assault Rifles

Ever heard of the StG 44? Probably not. Heard of the AK-47? You bet. But the StG 44 is actually the first assault rifle which all subsequent weapons were based on: the AK, G3, M16, current M4 etc. And as usual, it was the Germans who led the way.

I recently came across this post at War is Boring, which is a fine blog, but it repeated one of the most annoying, ill informed and simply incorrect stock journalistic phrases regarding the AK-47.

“No single weapon — save the atomic bomb — has had as profound an impact on modern warfare and global instability,” Larry Kahaner wrote in his biography of the weapon.

Granted, he was quoting someone else and its something so frequently repeated that few question it, but the quote itself is simply incorrect. The AK-47, while a Russian weapon, is in fact a modified version of a German weapon, which is the actual first assault rifle that revolutionized small arms and warfare, the StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44). As in so many other cases, the Germans were quick to realize the failure and faults of past methods of warfare and weapons and masterfully designed new ones. Despite having lost WWII, the Germans were technologically far beyond the rest of the world at the time.

As Wikipedia notes, “While the StG44 had less range and power than the more powerful infantry rifles of the day, Wehrmacht studies had shown that most combat engagements occurred at less than 300 m with the majority within 200 m. Full-power rifle cartridges were excessive for the vast majority of uses for the average soldier.” Moreover, the small capcity and low rate of fire of bolt action rifles was simply inadequate.

Those interested in more of the details can read more at the linked Wikipedia article. On a side note, this author recently looked at an authentic StG 44 at a gun show. Its price? $22,000 dollars! This is due in part to its being antique but largely due to ridiculous US restrictions on automatic weapons. Anyone interested in purchasing one would likely need to sell their car(s) first, or perhaps the proverbial arm and a leg.

Lastly, unbeknownst to most people, Germany today is actually the world’s third largest exporter of arms. Specifically, the southwestern state of Baden-Wuerttemberg (where I lived for many years) excells in firearms being home to Mauser, Heckler and Koch and Walther.

The Suomi KP/-31 submachinegun

Those of you familiar with small arms, WWII, or just Call of Duty are certaintly familiar with the infamous PPSH 41, a Russian sub machine gun. And yet, as with so many Russian things, they were not in fact ‘Russian’ but adaptations or copies of other countries’ weapons. There are numerous examples of this but I’d like to focus on the Russian PPSH-41.

After the Winter War, in which the Russians were massacred by little old Finland, the Russians quickly adopted a Finnish weapon which had proven so effective against them, the Suomi.


Indeed, the Russians had realized that such weapons were superior for close quarters combat in the forests of Finland or in urban areas. From Wikipedia:

The Suomi KP/-31 is regarded by many as one of the most successful submachine guns of World War II and it was so successful that many of its features (including the 71-round drum magazine) were later copied and adopted by the Soviets for their PPD-40 and PPSh-41 submachine guns.[2] The accuracy compared to the mass-produced PPSh-41 was superior however, thanks in part to a noticeably longer barrel, with the same rate of fire and the equally large magazine capacity. The major failing of the Suomi-KP was its high production costs.

Originals of either weapon are hard to come by and extremely expensive. However, partially rebuilt models are available for around $600 chambered in the original 9mm parabellum (the cartridge being a German invention of course). However, the changes made to accomodate US laws take some of the fun away (increased barrel length and being semi automatic).

If you’ve enjoyed this historical weapons related thread, do chime in in the comments since it’s not part of our usual programming.

Comments to this entry

chuck
January 20, 2010
10:33 pm
It unjust to say that AK-47 (or to that matter, even the intermediate AK-46 that can be found in some Russian museums) is a copy of StG-44. It's a blend of many weapons technologies. Did Kalashnikov use German designs? Sure, whatever he himself says. But the result was quite a successful assault rifle for the colonial wars of the 20th century. The second generation, the AK-74, proved that Kalashnikov is a worthless designer.

Speaking of German weapons genius - there's a much better example of a weapon way ahead of it's time: the MP-40. The familiar machine-gun of the many war films, it's the prototype of all current urban weapons - where range and accuracy isn't all that important, while size and maximum rate of fire are paramount.
Munro Ferguson
January 20, 2010
11:10 pm
Interesting. Where doe the SKS fit into this history? I'd been under the impression that it was the precursor to the AK. I'd add that anyone looking for a cheap, accurate and fun to shoot semi-auto rifle the SKS is a good buy. And if you want an even cheaper, vintage, shoulder bruising, bolt action experience the later model Mosin-Nagant is always a good time. I'm not much into assault rifles or sub machine guns. They're expensive to feed and once you've gotten over the thrill of whipping off five or six second salvos not really all that fun. I'd love to get my hands on a mid 1960's Dragunov.
Glenn
January 20, 2010
11:23 pm
Chiming in. A fan of this entry!
Chirol
January 20, 2010
11:28 pm
I definitely agree that the SKS and Mosin are both fine weapons. In fact, many of the Mosins (~3 million) were actually produced in the US during WWI when the Rooskies were our allies, some by Remington.

As for the origin of the SKS, my personal knowledge is that it was becoming the standard infantry weapon of teh Soviets when the AK was developed. After that, the SKS was quickly dropped for the AK. Wikipedia notes the SKS was based on the AVS-36 which was quickly dropped due to several problems.
Chirol
January 21, 2010
12:08 am
Chuck: All fair comments. Of course the AK47 incorporated design elements of other firearms, that I know. My point was merely that teh StG 44 was the original assault rifle, not the AK, and that it was the inspiration. I'm also a huge fan of the FG42.

Completely agree about the MP40 and would also add the MG42 to the list, being what the US M60 SAW and current German MG4 was based off of as well (if I'm not mistaken).
Bob Pulliam
January 21, 2010
12:14 am
Let's not over-praise the ever-popular Germans. The Sturmgewehr-44 was, after all, not produced until 1944 and never in quantities necessary to have an impact on the war. The vast majority of German infantry slogged through the war with the Karabiner 98k, a bolt action rifle with 19th century antecedents and a five cartridge magazine. Even the Brits had a superior weapon to the Germans in the ten-shot-magazine Lee Enfield, and the Americans owned the field with the eight-shot semi-automatic Garand. Not to mention the Russian semi-automatic Tokarev.

The Germans produced some wonderful weapons, but never intelligently exercised the central command authority necessary to concentrate production on specific, superior weapons and strategies. Hence the too late Sturmgewehr-44, the too late ME262, the superior but over-complicated tanks, the lack of a stategic bomber, and on and on.
Lexington Green
January 21, 2010
12:36 am
Good post. I vote enthusiastically for occasional posts on weapons of whatever type. A fascinating topic.
Klaus
January 21, 2010
1:14 am
Indeed, I enjoyed this post immensely. Thank you Chirol, and keep them coming whenever you are so inclined!
Jarhead
January 21, 2010
2:03 am
In Iraq there was this AK-47 type weapon on the wall in one of the offices. No one remembered where it had come from but others who had done multiple deployments to the same AO remembered this weapon as having"always been there". As we were shutting down and preparing to come home, the options of what to do with this weapon were thrown around, including trying to sneak it back with our gear. After deciding that smuggling it back was a pretty dumb idea, we took it to EOD for their disposal. We googled this particular weapon (which we now knew was the StG-44 mentioned above) and found it had probably taken an interesting path to our wall. Many were captured from the Germans by the Russians following WWII, the Russians subsequently sold or gave them to the Iraqis, who lost or surrendered it to us sometime in the past 6 years. If anyone had thought $20k was a possibility, we probably wouldn't have been so eager to give it to eod! Just wanted to share a recent tie in with your post.
M Brueschke
January 21, 2010
3:50 am
There were weapons that predated and influenced the StG-44 as well, so shouldn't they get their place in the sun?

Savage Model 99 brought the detachable magazine. Fedorov Avtomat came in 6.5mm and had a detachable magazine. Ribeyrolle 1918 had a detachable magazine, intermediate round and was accurate out to about 400 meters. The M1918 BAR was a larger full auto heavy assault rifle.

Oh and the M-1 Carbine should be in the list too.

Remington's Model 8/81 had a number of features that were taken for both the StG-44 and AK-47.
Chirol
January 21, 2010
1:08 pm
Bob Pulliam: All good points. ALthough despite lacking a strategic bomber, they did pioneer both rockets and jets. Nevertheless, even had they increased production and better deployed their weapons, they were still doomed.

Jarhead: Great story but it breaks my heart! I cant believe you blew it up!

M Brueschke: I don't deny it incorporated elements of other weapons. No development, weapons related or otherwise, occurs in a vacuum. Nevertheless, the StG 44 was the big leap forward, so to say, away from classic rifles into something totally new. This was its importance.

As for the BAR, I think everyone agrees it seriously sucked. I wouldn't personally classify it as an assault rifle as it suffered from trying to use 'new' technology in an old way, clear in its design. There was no vision of making a different type of gun, whose purpose more accurately reflected a new type of warfare. And yes, the M1 rocks too. Gotta get me one of those one of these days.
Lexington Green
January 21, 2010
5:40 pm
There is a scene in the movie Decision at Dawn, where a spy behind German lines is hiding in the ruins of an opera house, and the troops searching for him are carrying the StG44. Very cool. If you are military history buff, that bit of authenticity is greatly appreciated. Also at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge, there is a scene with Henry Fonda and Robert Ryan, where they have captured a bunch of teenage prisoners, and Ryan looks down the breach of a captured StG44 and sees the barrel is full of grease. Those are the only two times I can think of where I saw the StG44 in a war movie.
SJPONeill
January 21, 2010
7:12 pm
“No single weapon — save the atomic bomb — has had as profound an impact on modern warfare and global instability,” Larry Kahaner wrote in his biography of the weapon." Just like to point out that the quote with which you take issue doesn't actually credit Russia, Germany or anyone else: it simply states that this weapon (the AK-47) had had a profound impact which is true, regardless of its antecedents. The Stg-44 had minimal impact other than to dilute German production efforts.

I Think that the original quote is wrong anyway - while the AK is common as sand in the desert, if it had not existed, the gaps would still have been filled by one or many other small arms. I'd propose that it is the RPG that has had a greater impact when you consider the quantity of $ expended to try and counter it and the fear/awe in which it is regarded by so many troops. In 2005, A Marine described it to me as the scariest weapon around "...just slow enough you can see it coming, just fast enough that you can't do much about it; accurate enough to hit the target but just inaccurate enough that it might get you by accident..."
Thomas
January 22, 2010
12:27 am
The significance of the AK-47, at least in terms of policy and global impact, is not the result of it's engineering nor of it's position in the evolution of small arms. It's that it's effective and cheap. Thus, it is ubiquitous as SJ commented above. It's not that the AK did anything to revolutionize assault rifles but that it revolutionized warfare, itself. It made the technology of industrialized forces available to unindustrialized nations.
dj
January 22, 2010
4:12 am
You could argue the Russians had the first assault rifle with the Fedorov Avtomat in 1915 firing the Japanese Arisaka rifle round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federov_Avtomat
Phil
January 25, 2010
1:08 am
Great post. My collection includes two "Russian" rifles: an SKS and a Mosin-Nagant carbine, however neither are of Russian manufacture - the SKS is Chinese and the Mosin is Polish.
dfg
January 27, 2010
4:36 pm
AK type is great if you can't afford modern weapons, like from H&K desighn.
For army - not the ebst weapon, for rebels - right on. No cleaning, little damage