Comments on: Decline of Empire visualization http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:12:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.7.1 By: a http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391787 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:10:48 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391787 why not use the British North America act as the date of independence – this document is essentially the Canadian constitution? this is widely considered to be the date of independence here. Canada and the UK both commemorated the Canadian centennial in 1967.

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By: Kelvin http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391753 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:26:40 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391753 Well, the choice of these four makes for good visuals of the decolonization process. Turkey would also look interesting but it was never at the same size level as these four. There won’t be much coming off the USA bubble. Russia would work, though.

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By: Master Cook http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391706 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:18:40 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391706 I tend to agree that the choice of the four Western European countries is a bit eccentric.

No Russia? No Turkey?

OK, so we only use martime empires, and they have to be based in Europe (to rule out the US and Japan). But I think the Dutch had some maritime colonies too, including a big one now called “Indonesia”. Even the German and Italian maritime empires in the late 19th century were comparable to whatever the Spanish and Dutch had left, ignoring Germay’s relationship with Turkey. Probably the “Congo Free State” doesn’t count, being one man’s personal fiefdom for much of its interesting.

The point is that there is just no coherent rationale for choosing those four. If you want just four blobs, I would have gone with Britain, Spain, Russia, and France and I’m not sure about picking France over Turkey.

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By: kurt9 http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391693 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:18:37 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391693 The sun never sets on the British Empire (at least for a stretch there) and Big Ben sets mean Greenwich time.

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By: Munro Ferguson http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391692 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:29:19 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391692 “For a second, I thought this was going to be a photo of Obama bowing in Japan.” Haha!
A clever bit of animation. I didn’t see Cyprus in 1960 and I think you could have arguably included Iran’s rejection of Lord Curzon’s Anglo-Persian deal in 1921.

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By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391691 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:51:38 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391691 YH, the HD doesn’t do much for me. Just look at the first “pop” — Paraguay and Venezuala fly across the screen and are hard to follow. That’s the prime element that needs fixing.

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By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391689 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:00:10 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391689 Hakuin: America never had much of a growing empire. Sure we picked up PR, Guam and the Philippines but didn’t keep Philippines and otherwise just have a few random islands in teh Pacific, mostly from WW2 where nobody lives.

This was an awesome visualization, great link and I’d have to agree, the start date was far too late.

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391688 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:58:10 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391688 @Hakuin: This is based on maritime power, which the US wasn’t until about the 1940s. Furthermore, since he is using the term “empire”, we would be dragged down the “is America an empire” debate.

@Curz, I recommend watching it in HD to get smoother animation.

As for the dynamics, he is experimenting with a tool that is not meant to display the data he fed into it. It is a fun experiment, not sure if it is useful, but still fun. I hope he can figure out a way to adjust the fluid dynamics (particularly collisions) with other types of data other than decolonialization.

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By: Hakuin http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391687 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:06:19 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391687 I kind of get his reasoning for choosing the four he chose, but this is simply just not as interesting without including America, both its splitting off from Britain, and then it’s own growing empire.

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By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391685 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:52:04 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391685 A fun visualization, but it could have been more complete. And there’s room for improvement on the animation and visualization.

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By: Manas Blackman http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391684 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:15:50 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391684 Ha! Not so conquery now…
Really like this visual tool – much better than a fat book

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391683 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:40:16 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391683 According to the explanation he wanted to concentrate on the 19th and 20th C maritime powers. No idea why he jumps to 1814.

Canada splits off during 1931 as per the Statute of Westminster.

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By: kende http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391682 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:38:52 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391682 For a second, I thought this was going to be a photo of Obama bowing in Japan.

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By: a http://cominganarchy.com/2009/11/16/decline-of-empire-visualization/comment-page-1/#comment-391681 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:31:27 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=7245#comment-391681 some problems here.

why did they start at 1814? would have been much more interesting incorporating earlier history: dutch colonialism, american independence, fluctuations in north american borders between french/spanish/anglos.

also, why didnt canada split off in 1867?

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