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		<title>By: Map of Europe 2020 &#124; Daily Postal</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/07/03/microstate-madness-europe-in-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-390386</link>
		<dc:creator>Map of Europe 2020 &#124; Daily Postal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] website says: Given that Europe already has a number of microstates â€“ Andorra, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest August 2, 2009</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/07/03/microstate-madness-europe-in-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-390385</link>
		<dc:creator>Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest August 2, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microstate Madness in EuropeÂ by Chirol [...]</description>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to Chris Swansons point, what about Wales? They have an active independence movement and a degree of electoral success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to Chris Swansons point, what about Wales? They have an active independence movement and a degree of electoral success.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or has no one mentioned Northern Ireland? Surely that&#039;s a place that would be ripe to appear on this map!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or has no one mentioned Northern Ireland? Surely that&#8217;s a place that would be ripe to appear on this map!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay Shirky made some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/07/24/here-comes-everybody/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interesting observations&lt;/a&gt; about the balkanisation of nations in the Internet Age:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a really crazy moment in the history of the Nation Stateâ€¦ The pull outwards into smaller, more ethnically coherent groups is actually overcoming what was, in the 20th Century, and argument for economies of scale in Nation States. Whether that is good or bad , I donâ€™t know, it would be such a profound shift that it would transcend good and bad, it would be a new world order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay Shirky made some <a href="http://www.robertsharp.co.uk/2008/07/24/here-comes-everybody/" rel="nofollow">interesting observations</a> about the balkanisation of nations in the Internet Age:</p>

<blockquote>This is a really crazy moment in the history of the Nation State&acirc;€&brvbar; The pull outwards into smaller, more ethnically coherent groups is actually overcoming what was, in the 20th Century, and argument for economies of scale in Nation States. Whether that is good or bad , I don&acirc;€™t know, it would be such a profound shift that it would transcend good and bad, it would be a new world order.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: News Briefs July 19-25/2009 &#124; www.new-right.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Briefs July 19-25/2009 &#124; www.new-right.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microstate Madness â€“ Europe in 2020. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Diego MÃ©ndez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diego MÃ©ndez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirol,

1. Why republics? Bavarian independentists vye for a return to the Kingdom of Bavaria, not a republic. There is no explicit Republicanism in Scotland, the Basque country, etc. where there is no Republican tradition.

2. The Basque country (as coloured in your map), Padania and others have never been independent entities, nor do they have a unified language.

3. Being richer doesn&#039;t mean subsidizing the rest. The Basque country is fiscally independent; the only shared budget with the rest of Spain is Social Security, which adds 1% to Basque GDP. So they are, in fact, subsidized by the rest of Spain.

A similar argument could be made about Southern Germany and other rich regions. Transfers are limited to 4% regional GDP, but the money Germany spends in infrastructure, trains, technology, etc. for the poorer Eastern regions ends up as bigger GDP in the richer regions, where that technology, etc. is mostly designed and produced.

4. But for Flanders and Scotland, no other region is seriously proposing seccession. Nationalism or regionalism may have broad support as a way of preserving the region&#039;s historical language(s), getting more money/infrastructure from the central state, and general &quot;devolution&quot; or de-centralizing power. But that doesn&#039;t equal separatism.

E.g. A qualifying majority of Catalans feel Catalonia is a nation, but so is Spain (&quot;a nation made up of nations&quot;); they feel both Catalans and Spaniards, and they speak both Catalan and Spanish fluently. And Catalonia is extremely nationalist when compared to Bavaria, Normandy and the like.

Outright separatist parties have only a marginal support in any coloured regions, but for (maybe) Scotland and Flanders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol,</p>

<p>1. Why republics? Bavarian independentists vye for a return to the Kingdom of Bavaria, not a republic. There is no explicit Republicanism in Scotland, the Basque country, etc. where there is no Republican tradition.</p>

<p>2. The Basque country (as coloured in your map), Padania and others have never been independent entities, nor do they have a unified language.</p>

<p>3. Being richer doesn&#8217;t mean subsidizing the rest. The Basque country is fiscally independent; the only shared budget with the rest of Spain is Social Security, which adds 1% to Basque <span class="caps">GDP.</span> So they are, in fact, subsidized by the rest of Spain.</p>

<p>A similar argument could be made about Southern Germany and other rich regions. Transfers are limited to 4% regional <span class="caps">GDP, </span>but the money Germany spends in infrastructure, trains, technology, etc. for the poorer Eastern regions ends up as bigger <span class="caps">GDP </span>in the richer regions, where that technology, etc. is mostly designed and produced.</p>

<p>4. But for Flanders and Scotland, no other region is seriously proposing seccession. Nationalism or regionalism may have broad support as a way of preserving the region&#8217;s historical language(s), getting more money/infrastructure from the central state, and general &#8220;devolution&#8221; or de-centralizing power. But that doesn&#8217;t equal separatism.</p>

<p>E.g. A qualifying majority of Catalans feel Catalonia is a nation, but so is Spain (&#8221;a nation made up of nations&#8221;); they feel both Catalans and Spaniards, and they speak both Catalan and Spanish fluently. And Catalonia is extremely nationalist when compared to Bavaria, Normandy and the like.</p>

<p>Outright separatist parties have only a marginal support in any coloured regions, but for (maybe) Scotland and Flanders.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Europe in 2020? &#171; Blogging with Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Europe in 2020? &#171; Blogging with Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in&#160;2020? July 23, 2009 &#8212; Chris   Thanks to the Daily Dish, which the other day linked to a blog that has an interesting map for a possible future version of Europe, circa 2020. Here&#8217;s the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in&nbsp;2020? July 23, 2009 &#8212; Chris   Thanks to the Daily Dish, which the other day linked to a blog that has an interesting map for a possible future version of Europe, circa 2020. Here&#8217;s the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: olek krasinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>olek krasinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty more potential splits in central Europe, other than the well known potentials in the Balkans, Transdniestria and Ruthenia (western Ukraine).

Siliesia (Slask) in South-west Poland already has a well-organized, but small,  independence movement.

The Czech Republic faces a continuing division between Bohemia and Moravia.  

The Transylvania region of Romania faces Hungarian pressure for greater autonomy or independence.

Kaliningrad Oblast has long been suggested as a potential candidate for independence from Russia.

There is always the possibility that if (Southern) Cyprus refuses to accept proposals for a settlement with the north, then Northern Cyprus could be recognized as independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty more potential splits in central Europe, other than the well known potentials in the Balkans, Transdniestria and Ruthenia (western Ukraine).</p>

<p>Siliesia (Slask) in South-west Poland already has a well-organized, but small,  independence movement.</p>

<p>The Czech Republic faces a continuing division between Bohemia and Moravia.  </p>

<p>The Transylvania region of Romania faces Hungarian pressure for greater autonomy or independence.</p>

<p>Kaliningrad Oblast has long been suggested as a potential candidate for independence from Russia.</p>

<p>There is always the possibility that if (Southern) Cyprus refuses to accept proposals for a settlement with the north, then Northern Cyprus could be recognized as independent.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Laurens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Italy has a distinct history based on cities and not on region. Padania is just an invention of a few years ago by some extravagant politician and cannot be compared with historical  regional state like Catalonia or Baviera. For example ligurian (north west) and venetian (north east) have culturally nothing to share ( except for the common italian identity and broadly the same GDP per capita).  Independist parties in the region you mentioned palatable for seccession like Sardinia and Padania are pratically inexistent if you consider the  number of votes gained in the last elections. In the last years the same Lega Nord (Northern league) has became more focused on cultural (anti-islamic) and safety subjects rather than on autonomist issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italy has a distinct history based on cities and not on region. Padania is just an invention of a few years ago by some extravagant politician and cannot be compared with historical  regional state like Catalonia or Baviera. For example ligurian (north west) and venetian (north east) have culturally nothing to share ( except for the common italian identity and broadly the same <span class="caps">GDP </span>per capita).  Independist parties in the region you mentioned palatable for seccession like Sardinia and Padania are pratically inexistent if you consider the  number of votes gained in the last elections. In the last years the same Lega Nord (Northern league) has became more focused on cultural (anti-islamic) and safety subjects rather than on autonomist issues.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: La Cartoteca &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europa Occidental 2020 Â¿Balcanizada?</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/07/03/microstate-madness-europe-in-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-390287</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cartoteca &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europa Occidental 2020 Â¿Balcanizada?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Europa Occidental. Se trata de un mapa imaginario del futuro de nuestro continente, elaborado por Coming Anarchy, con su tÃ­pico tinte entre irÃ³nico y severo, en el que se extrapolan ciertas tendencias [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Europa Occidental. Se trata de un mapa imaginario del futuro de nuestro continente, elaborado por Coming Anarchy, con su t&Atilde;&shy;pico tinte entre ir&Atilde;&sup3;nico y severo, en el que se extrapolan ciertas tendencias [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: L A Winans</title>
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		<dc:creator>L A Winans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could add the following nations-in-waiting: Languedoc, located in southwest France; Frisia, northeast Netherlands &amp; northwest Germany; Scania, parts of Denmark &amp; Sweden; Prussia-Pomerania; Wales; Cornwall; and, Galicia, northeast Spain.

Languedoc has its own language, has a heritage of autonomy
Frisia also has its own language
Scania has had an independence movement
Prussia was the most energetic part of Germany &amp; was illegally, under international law, dissolved first by the Nazis &amp; 2d by the Allies
Wales,Cornwall &amp; Galicia are Celtic nations held by non-Celtic governments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could add the following nations-in-waiting: Languedoc, located in southwest France; Frisia, northeast Netherlands &amp; northwest Germany; Scania, parts of Denmark &amp; Sweden; Prussia-Pomerania; Wales; Cornwall; and, Galicia, northeast Spain.</p>

<p>Languedoc has its own language, has a heritage of autonomy<br />
Frisia also has its own language<br />
Scania has had an independence movement<br />
Prussia was the most energetic part of Germany &amp; was illegally, under international law, dissolved first by the Nazis &amp; 2d by the Allies<br />
Wales,Cornwall &amp; Galicia are Celtic nations held by non-Celtic governments</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: Thanks for the suggestions, it is indeed weighted more towards the West as I&#039;m more knowledgeable about that area. I of course know Kaliningrad but didn&#039;t know they had an active independence movement. If anything, all the Russians should be expelled and it should be given back to its rightful owners in Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: Thanks for the suggestions, it is indeed weighted more towards the West as I&#8217;m more knowledgeable about that area. I of course know Kaliningrad but didn&#8217;t know they had an active independence movement. If anything, all the Russians should be expelled and it should be given back to its rightful owners in Germany.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building on Cem&#039;s suggestion to include Republika Srpska and Transdniestria, here are a two more suggestions for Eastern Europe (this map seems heavily weighted to the West): Kaliningrad and Vojvodina. Both have active independence movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building on Cem&#8217;s suggestion to include Republika Srpska and Transdniestria, here are a two more suggestions for Eastern Europe (this map seems heavily weighted to the West): Kaliningrad and Vojvodina. Both have active independence movements.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Microstate Madness </title>
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		<dc:creator>Microstate Madness </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Europe&#8230;Cooming soon! &#171; Effeferro&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/07/03/microstate-madness-europe-in-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-390261</link>
		<dc:creator>Europe&#8230;Cooming soon! &#171; Effeferro&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oggi in Europa -San Marino, Pricipato di Â Monaco, Malta..-Â non oltre il 2020 -secondo il blog Cominganarchy- Â la cartina Europea potrebbe subire delle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] oggi in Europa <del>San Marino, Pricipato di &Acirc;&nbsp;Monaco, Malta..</del>&Acirc;&nbsp;non oltre il 2020 <del>secondo il blog Cominganarchy</del> &Acirc;&nbsp;la cartina Europea potrebbe subire delle [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Death of Nation-States &#171; Samuel J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Death of Nation-States &#171; Samuel J. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Coming Anarchy offers a hypothetical map of how Europe may look in ten years: Even if only a few of these microstates were to be born, it could have serious consequences regionally, transatlantically and globally. In Europe, it would suddenly create a host of rich and poor states, which their previous host states balanced out. Northern Germany will get poorer and the two southern states stay very rich for example. Over time, the lack of wealth transfer from southern to northern Germany, or from northern to southern Italy will likely create less developed and poorer states within Europe no longer able to stay afloat. As an Italian friend once joked, without the north, southern Italy would turn into a Catholic Pakistan. As reader DJ noted, now more than ever, regions of todayâ€™s states are trying to maximize the economic benefits of globalization while minimizing the social costs, leading to richer regions breaking from poorer ones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Coming Anarchy offers a hypothetical map of how Europe may look in ten years: Even if only a few of these microstates were to be born, it could have serious consequences regionally, transatlantically and globally. In Europe, it would suddenly create a host of rich and poor states, which their previous host states balanced out. Northern Germany will get poorer and the two southern states stay very rich for example. Over time, the lack of wealth transfer from southern to northern Germany, or from northern to southern Italy will likely create less developed and poorer states within Europe no longer able to stay afloat. As an Italian friend once joked, without the north, southern Italy would turn into a Catholic Pakistan. As reader DJ noted, now more than ever, regions of today&acirc;€™s states are trying to maximize the economic benefits of globalization while minimizing the social costs, leading to richer regions breaking from poorer ones. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lâ€™Europa del 2020 â€” Internazionale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lâ€™Europa del 2020 â€” Internazionale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nelle Fiandre, in Catalogna, in Baviera e nella stessa Italia. Di questo passo, ipotizza il blog Cominganarchy, nel 2020 l&#8217;Europa potrebbe ritrovarsi [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nelle Fiandre, in Catalogna, in Baviera e nella stessa Italia. Di questo passo, ipotizza il blog Cominganarchy, nel 2020 l&#8217;Europa potrebbe ritrovarsi [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quetico: Thanks for the article, looks to be an interesting read.

@All Remember this is just a thought experiment/scenario. It is in no way a firm prediction. I am also not intimately knowledgeable about every tiny region of Europe.  Hence, feel free to argue over some or suggest new ones. Remember, some of my favorite areas are geography, borders and scenario planning. This combines all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quetico: Thanks for the article, looks to be an interesting read.</p>

<p>@All Remember this is just a thought experiment/scenario. It is in no way a firm prediction. I am also not intimately knowledgeable about every tiny region of Europe.  Hence, feel free to argue over some or suggest new ones. Remember, some of my favorite areas are geography, borders and scenario planning. This combines all of them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rearranging Europe: &#124; Memnison Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rearranging Europe: &#124; Memnison Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Coming Anarchy site: projected maps of Europe in the future and the former Yugoslav areas, along with their tag on microstates.Â  Personally, I strongly doubt [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while this is an entertaining thought experiment, i must nonetheless dismiss the possibility of any german state - even bavaria - of seceding as fantasy.  

there just simply is no serious discussion or debate to be found regarding such a move, either in BW or bavaria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while this is an entertaining thought experiment, i must nonetheless dismiss the possibility of any german state &#8211; even bavaria &#8211; of seceding as fantasy.  </p>

<p>there just simply is no serious discussion or debate to be found regarding such a move, either in BW or bavaria.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sejo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sejo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid, Quetico, for my dear ethnic Tirolers that breaking up would mean the loss of their high standard of living. Without revenues from the republic, higher than the taxes they pay, there would be far less wealth up there. And I do not think that the Austrians would be interested in Southern Tirol, as well as the Rumantsch-Ladin population would not like to be a minority in a German-only country.
Honestly, there are secessionist parties in Southern Tirol but they have a weak support from the German-speaking population. The main party, Suedtiroler Volkspartei, is an alley of the Democratic Party (centre-left) and its goals are keeping and possibly enlarging the benefits granted by the republican laws.

I have to agree with John on the Sardinia thing: while the Sardists have my simpathy, the island alone would not survive its independence, and the same â€“ I guess â€“ can be said for Sicily which has not a real independentist culture anymore. And when it had, it was one of the armed hands of the local aristocracy and the Mafia.
But, John, I think that discussing is not betting like it&#039;s not foretelling an unbeatable truth: therefore any hypothesis can be interesting as a scenario in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid, Quetico, for my dear ethnic Tirolers that breaking up would mean the loss of their high standard of living. Without revenues from the republic, higher than the taxes they pay, there would be far less wealth up there. And I do not think that the Austrians would be interested in Southern Tirol, as well as the Rumantsch-Ladin population would not like to be a minority in a German-only country.<br />
Honestly, there are secessionist parties in Southern Tirol but they have a weak support from the German-speaking population. The main party, Suedtiroler Volkspartei, is an alley of the Democratic Party (centre-left) and its goals are keeping and possibly enlarging the benefits granted by the republican laws.</p>

<p>I have to agree with John on the Sardinia thing: while the Sardists have my simpathy, the island alone would not survive its independence, and the same &acirc;€“ I guess &acirc;€“ can be said for Sicily which has not a real independentist culture anymore. And when it had, it was one of the armed hands of the local aristocracy and the Mafia.<br />
But, John, I think that discussing is not betting like it&#8217;s not foretelling an unbeatable truth: therefore any hypothesis can be interesting as a scenario in itself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cesc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came in linked from Josep Sort blog. It was nice to discover this site. I will add it to my preferred ones.
As a Catalan I am completely agree with our political independence integrated in the EU and NATO as a member of full rights.
Estate-Nation, as big as Spain, has no reason , it is to small as a market, but to big as a close to administrated Administration.
As European I do not found any sense to have just 27 states with M500 people, when USA has 50 with just M300. The same vision I have with keeping armed and commanded 27 different armies instead of one big one.

Best regards.
Cesc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came in linked from Josep Sort blog. It was nice to discover this site. I will add it to my preferred ones.<br />
As a Catalan I am completely agree with our political independence integrated in the EU and <span class="caps">NATO </span>as a member of full rights.<br />
Estate-Nation, as big as Spain, has no reason , it is to small as a market, but to big as a close to administrated Administration.<br />
As European I do not found any sense to have just 27 states with <span class="caps">M500 </span>people, when <span class="caps">USA </span>has 50 with just <span class="caps">M300.</span> The same vision I have with keeping armed and commanded 27 different armies instead of one big one.</p>

<p>Best regards.<br />
Cesc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: quetico</title>
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		<dc:creator>quetico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Der Spiegel wrote a great article about how if the Soviets had divided Germany North/South, the country would still be split.  http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,407053,00.html

I know you have stated that the list is not exhaustive, but clearly Ukraine has a strong Ukrainian/Russian split--and this split is far more likely to occur, or at least cause considerable international discord than most of the ones in the post.  

Latvia also is struggling with its Russian population.  Daugavpils in western Latvia is 90 percent Russian and would love to split off.  

And the Sudtirolers would love to leave a disfunctional Italy and become a Freistaat or return to Austria.  

And Poland is surprisingly still split along the former German/Russian-Austrian border, although nowhere near any serious talk of secession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Der Spiegel wrote a great article about how if the Soviets had divided Germany North/South, the country would still be split.  <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,407053,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,407053,00.html</a></p>

<p>I know you have stated that the list is not exhaustive, but clearly Ukraine has a strong Ukrainian/Russian split&#8211;and this split is far more likely to occur, or at least cause considerable international discord than most of the ones in the post.  </p>

<p>Latvia also is struggling with its Russian population.  Daugavpils in western Latvia is 90 percent Russian and would love to split off.  </p>

<p>And the Sudtirolers would love to leave a disfunctional Italy and become a Freistaat or return to Austria.  </p>

<p>And Poland is surprisingly still split along the former German/Russian-Austrian border, although nowhere near any serious talk of secession.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: DirkVA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirkVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very surprised that Catalonia hasn&#039;t been more discussed here, since it is the most exorbitantly likely, it seems to me, of all these -- much more than the Basques, for example, who have not done nearly so much to establish their autonomy. Prosperity off the charts, vigorous language of their own, extreme distaste for the culture (songs, dances, bullfights) of the central government, and -- not least important -- political savvy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very surprised that Catalonia hasn&#8217;t been more discussed here, since it is the most exorbitantly likely, it seems to me, of all these &#8212; much more than the Basques, for example, who have not done nearly so much to establish their autonomy. Prosperity off the charts, vigorous language of their own, extreme distaste for the culture (songs, dances, bullfights) of the central government, and &#8212; not least important &#8212; political savvy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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