Comments on: A Taste of Things to Come? http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:04:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: kurt9 http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389842 kurt9 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:46:20 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389842 These people are losers. They are attacking the wrong people. Mexicans who come to this country are simply people looking for opportunity. They are no different than you or I. It is true illegal immigration is a problem. However, this is not the way to go about fighting it. Mexicans are not the enemy. The real enemy are the limousine liberals in Washington D.C. and elsewhere through out the country. These are the parasites that seek to destroy economic growth and opportunity for the rest of us (anglos, mexicans, anyone else) through massive regulations based on frauds like global warming and the like. These people are losers. They are attacking the wrong people. Mexicans who come to this country are simply people looking for opportunity. They are no different than you or I. It is true illegal immigration is a problem. However, this is not the way to go about fighting it. Mexicans are not the enemy.

The real enemy are the limousine liberals in Washington D.C. and elsewhere through out the country. These are the parasites that seek to destroy economic growth and opportunity for the rest of us (anglos, mexicans, anyone else) through massive regulations based on frauds like global warming and the like.

]]> By: Bob Harrison http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389838 Bob Harrison Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:36:53 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389838 I'm going to have to second Lexington's comments that the source of the problem is our incompetent government. The inaction of the federal government only feeds into every conspiracy theorist's belief that there is a deliberate plot to merge Mexico and the U.S. Of course government incompetence and powerful business interests are much more plausible explanations as to why the southern border is in its current state, but it is undeniable that there are powerful interest groups with a world-without-borders ideology who dismiss all of their critics as racists. The organized militia movement's of the 1990s lost most of their credibility (among their own followers) after the Oklahoma City bombing killed hundreds of the working-class whites on whose behalf the movement claimed to fight for. OC was also provoked by the WACO incident and (this part is scary) a widespread fear that the newly elected democratic government was about to repeal the 2nd amendment. As long as A.G. Holder doesn't pull a Janet Reno, the worst we will see of these militants are sporadic lone-wolf attacks. Here's hoping it doesn't go further than that! I’m going to have to second Lexington’s comments that the source of the problem is our incompetent government. The inaction of the federal government only feeds into every conspiracy theorist’s belief that there is a deliberate plot to merge Mexico and the U.S. Of course government incompetence and powerful business interests are much more plausible explanations as to why the southern border is in its current state, but it is undeniable that there are powerful interest groups with a world-without-borders ideology who dismiss all of their critics as racists.
The organized militia movement’s of the 1990s lost most of their credibility (among their own followers) after the Oklahoma City bombing killed hundreds of the working-class whites on whose behalf the movement claimed to fight for. OC was also provoked by the WACO incident and (this part is scary) a widespread fear that the newly elected democratic government was about to repeal the 2nd amendment.
As long as A.G. Holder doesn’t pull a Janet Reno, the worst we will see of these militants are sporadic lone-wolf attacks. Here’s hoping it doesn’t go further than that!

]]> By: chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389836 chirol Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:47:43 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389836 Durf: It's similar but not the same as the militia, also different conditions, mission, organization etc. Will be posting on it in the next few days. But it looks like the government is already <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_border_troops" rel="nofollow">beginning to think about harnessing ready and willing volunteers</a>, though my plans are far broader. Durf: It’s similar but not the same as the militia, also different conditions, mission, organization etc. Will be posting on it in the next few days. But it looks like the government is already beginning to think about harnessing ready and willing volunteers, though my plans are far broader.

]]> By: Durf http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389833 Durf Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:34:18 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389833 Chirol: "An interesting idea I had was for the states themselves to harness this potential and provide some kind of basic training and create 'approved' autonomous groups." Hey now, we Americans love our guns and our right to them, but this "well regulated militia" idea of yours just won't fly. Erm, wait, what? Chirol: “An interesting idea I had was for the states themselves to harness this potential and provide some kind of basic training and create ‘approved’ autonomous groups.”

Hey now, we Americans love our guns and our right to them, but this “well regulated militia” idea of yours just won’t fly. Erm, wait, what?

]]> By: Kirk Sowell http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389817 Kirk Sowell Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:22:17 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389817 I just watched that video. That is scary, but then again people here in north Virginia where I live don't drive into east Washington for a reason. That guy who said he'd been robbed six times really got me; I think he must be insane not to just move. To address the post - essentially the militant element is always there, but the big coming issue you are raising here is the threat of the government being viewed as illegitimate. People may or may not still pay taxes and vote, but when government loses its monopoly on violence, there is a basic legitimacy issue. True, there are enclaves of instability like Oakland and east DC, but when larger areas come to that point, the conditions are ripe for the otherwise unthinkable. I just watched that video. That is scary, but then again people here in north Virginia where I live don’t drive into east Washington for a reason. That guy who said he’d been robbed six times really got me; I think he must be insane not to just move.

To address the post – essentially the militant element is always there, but the big coming issue you are raising here is the threat of the government being viewed as illegitimate. People may or may not still pay taxes and vote, but when government loses its monopoly on violence, there is a basic legitimacy issue. True, there are enclaves of instability like Oakland and east DC, but when larger areas come to that point, the conditions are ripe for the otherwise unthinkable.

]]> By: Alesander Luken http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389811 Alesander Luken Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:14:39 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389811 Things to come? Maybe here already... anyone else see this besides me? http://cbs5.com/video/?id=37938@kpix.dayport.com Things to come?
Maybe here already…

anyone else see this besides me?

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=37938@kpix.dayport.com

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389807 Chirol Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:18:28 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389807 Lex: I agree that a big part of the problem is the government's total inability to deal with the people's legitimate concerns. If I lived near the border, I could well imagine joining a citizens group to monitor it, albeit not one of these radical anti-immigration ones. I'm worried about organized crime and terrorist groups like Hezbollah and AQ, not poor people seeking a better future. An interesting idea I had was for the states themselves to harness this potential and provide some kind of basic training and create 'approved' autonomous groups. It's something I plan to blog about soon. Lex: I agree that a big part of the problem is the government’s total inability to deal with the people’s legitimate concerns. If I lived near the border, I could well imagine joining a citizens group to monitor it, albeit not one of these radical anti-immigration ones. I’m worried about organized crime and terrorist groups like Hezbollah and AQ, not poor people seeking a better future.

An interesting idea I had was for the states themselves to harness this potential and provide some kind of basic training and create ‘approved’ autonomous groups. It’s something I plan to blog about soon.

]]> By: dj http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389805 dj Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:18:22 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389805 Like one of the bloggers here said earlier, Kaplan's vision of privatized and localized security filling in for weak and ineffective governments. Like one of the bloggers here said earlier, Kaplan’s vision of privatized and localized security filling in for weak and ineffective governments.

]]> By: Lexington Green http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389793 Lexington Green Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:07:20 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389793 When the government refuses to recognize and address legitimate concerns of the citizens, non-government groups take it on. The government can either control the border, or face a domestic insurrection demanding that the border be controlled. You only get Brownshirts when the center cannot get its concerns addressed. The US Gov has shown itself to be expensive, incompetent, politically correct and unwilling and unable to provide the bare minimum requirements of a state: control of the border and domestic security. This is one blown leaf in front of a large gale coming in. One that is overduel. When the government refuses to recognize and address legitimate concerns of the citizens, non-government groups take it on. The government can either control the border, or face a domestic insurrection demanding that the border be controlled. You only get Brownshirts when the center cannot get its concerns addressed. The US Gov has shown itself to be expensive, incompetent, politically correct and unwilling and unable to provide the bare minimum requirements of a state: control of the border and domestic security.

This is one blown leaf in front of a large gale coming in. One that is overduel.

]]> By: Chief Wiggum http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389782 Chief Wiggum Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:34:15 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389782 From the New York Times article: “I had to take an oath, and part of the oath was that I couldn’t eat Mexican food,” he said. “That’s when red flags went up all over for me. That seemed like prejudice.” When they start blowing up Taco Bell restaurants, I'll know they are serious. From the New York Times article:

âI had to take an oath, and part of the oath was that I couldnât eat Mexican food,â he said. âThatâs when red flags went up all over for me. That seemed like prejudice.â

When they start blowing up Taco Bell restaurants, I’ll know they are serious.

]]> By: Posts about Mexico Violence as of June 27, 2009 | EL CHUCO TIMES http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389774 Posts about Mexico Violence as of June 27, 2009 | EL CHUCO TIMES Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:44:47 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389774 [...] this mobilization actually matter? Probably not…You can kill close to 50 infants in Mexico A Taste of Things to Come? – cominganarchy.com 06/27/2009 Radical splinter groups self-financed with drugs and well [...] [...] this mobilization actually matter? Probably notâ¦You can kill close to 50 infants in Mexico A Taste of Things to Come? – cominganarchy.com 06/27/2009 Radical splinter groups self-financed with drugs and well [...]

]]> By: Sejo http://cominganarchy.com/2009/06/27/a-taste-of-things-to-come/comment-page-1/#comment-389773 Sejo Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:49:59 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/?p=6189#comment-389773 The Italian version of this phenomenon is called «ronde», or patrols, and are one of the last – and most commented on the press – decisions of our current Government. The proposal has been made by the Lega Nord, the autonomist-rightwing, to increase public safety in urban areas. Apart from any consideration on whether public funds should be used to train private – unarmed, for the moment – militias or to hire new policemen and Carabinieri, a trend can be spotted: the extreme rightwing parties and groups form their own recognized, State-financed patrols. You can see some photographs of these thugs here (http://www.corriere.it/cronache/09_giugno_13/ronde_nere_msi_legge_sicurezza_saia_minniti_0ce89362-5828-11de-831b-00144f02aabc.shtml) and yes, the similarity between theirs and Hitler's «brown shirts» uniforms is voluntary. The Italian version of this phenomenon is called «ronde», or patrols, and are one of the last â and most commented on the press â decisions of our current Government. The proposal has been made by the Lega Nord, the autonomist-rightwing, to increase public safety in urban areas. Apart from any consideration on whether public funds should be used to train private â unarmed, for the moment â militias or to hire new policemen and Carabinieri, a trend can be spotted: the extreme rightwing parties and groups form their own recognized, State-financed patrols.
You can see some photographs of these thugs here (http://www.corriere.it/cronache/09_giugno_13/ronde_nere_msi_legge_sicurezza_saia_minniti_0ce89362-5828-11de-831b-00144f02aabc.shtml) and yes, the similarity between theirs and Hitler’s «brown shirts» uniforms is voluntary.

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