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	<title>Comments on: Another Sad Chapter in&#160;Racism</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/01/20/another-sad-chapter-in-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-387536</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Being identified as black didnâ€™t seal the deal for Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.&quot;
Well, being kind of insane and not very bright certainly sealed the deal for Keyes. Look up his &quot;debates&quot; with Barack Obama to see how different their leagues are. Alan Keyes is simply a pathetic figure.

I suppose that a tiny number of white people may have been more likely to vote for Obama due to his race but let&#039;s be honest-being black has historically been a HUGE negative in getting elected in the US and your assertion that Obama was an &quot;affirmative action&quot; hire strikes me as extremely wrong, and based on some kind of caricature. Did you see the campaign that McCain ran against him? Did you see the campaign that Clinton ran? The only way I can see that race may have really worked in his favor is that some of his opponents added so much racist subtext that it made THEM look bad and ruin their OWN campaign. That makes race a factor in a roundabout way, but it&#039;s certainly not affirmative action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being identified as black didn&acirc;€™t seal the deal for Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.&#8221;<br />
Well, being kind of insane and not very bright certainly sealed the deal for Keyes. Look up his &#8220;debates&#8221; with Barack Obama to see how different their leagues are. Alan Keyes is simply a pathetic figure.</p>

<p>I suppose that a tiny number of white people may have been more likely to vote for Obama due to his race but let&#8217;s be honest-being black has historically been a <span class="caps">HUGE </span>negative in getting elected in the US and your assertion that Obama was an &#8220;affirmative action&#8221; hire strikes me as extremely wrong, and based on some kind of caricature. Did you see the campaign that McCain ran against him? Did you see the campaign that Clinton ran? The only way I can see that race may have really worked in his favor is that some of his opponents added so much racist subtext that it made <span class="caps">THEM </span>look bad and ruin their <span class="caps">OWN </span>campaign. That makes race a factor in a roundabout way, but it&#8217;s certainly not affirmative action.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama wasn&#039;t the first presidential candidate of African heritage.  Being identified as black didn&#039;t seal the deal for Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.  Hillary Clinton would have made history, too, and there were more women voters than black voters.  Barack Obama&#039;s short tenure in Washington was an asset; his message of change was more convincing than Clinton&#039;s or McCain&#039;s.  In fact, my mom, who voted for Obama, said she decided against Clinton because she didn&#039;t want Bill back in the White House.

Race has always been a hidden factor.  It&#039;s that in the past, being a person of color was a net minus; that is, there were more people who would vote against than for owing to race.  In short, race was one factor among many, and it is nothing but conjecture, as you say, to weigh race as the deciding factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama wasn&#8217;t the first presidential candidate of African heritage.  Being identified as black didn&#8217;t seal the deal for Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson.  Hillary Clinton would have made history, too, and there were more women voters than black voters.  Barack Obama&#8217;s short tenure in Washington was an asset; his message of change was more convincing than Clinton&#8217;s or McCain&#8217;s.  In fact, my mom, who voted for Obama, said she decided against Clinton because she didn&#8217;t want Bill back in the White House.</p>

<p>Race has always been a hidden factor.  It&#8217;s that in the past, being a person of color was a net minus; that is, there were more people who would vote against than for owing to race.  In short, race was one factor among many, and it is nothing but conjecture, as you say, to weigh race as the deciding factor.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/01/20/another-sad-chapter-in-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-387507</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonagi

My stance was based on conjecture. Hence the &quot;I find it hard to believe...&quot; Have you got some poll data to back your assertion that race wasn&#039;t a decisive factor in his victory? 
Were his policy stances (oblique as they were) so different from those of John Kerry?
I don&#039;t begrudge Obama being elected but I do believe his race and the historical nature of a first black president acted in tandem with his rhetoric to get him elected. A promise of &quot;Change&quot; coming from, as Chirol states, a white freshman congressman wouldn&#039;t resonate with the same force by my measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonagi</p>

<p>My stance was based on conjecture. Hence the &#8220;I find it hard to believe&#8230;&#8221; Have you got some poll data to back your assertion that race wasn&#8217;t a decisive factor in his victory? <br />
Were his policy stances (oblique as they were) so different from those of John Kerry?<br />
I don&#8217;t begrudge Obama being elected but I do believe his race and the historical nature of a first black president acted in tandem with his rhetoric to get him elected. A promise of &#8220;Change&#8221; coming from, as Chirol states, a white freshman congressman wouldn&#8217;t resonate with the same force by my measure.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2009/01/20/another-sad-chapter-in-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-387505</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal opinion is that his race was an important influencing factor for many people who voted for him, and for some, the main if not only reason. that is why I said I believe he&#039;s an affirmative action hire. I don&#039;t have concrete polling data to back it up because I&#039;m not aware of any done on that specific issue. But many people wanted to help make history, and blacks wanted to vote for what they incorrectly believed to be the first black president. Add liberal guilt to that and you have decisions based not on merit but on skin color. 

Also, I find it personally impossible to believe that a white freshman senator with virtually no experience would have been even a candidate for the nomination, much less the nominee and actually president. There is no case to be made Obama had the requisite experience to run. He even used running as &#039;experience.&#039; 

Again, this is my personal impression and opinion and my point is that it was a factor when it shouldn&#039;t have been one. Nevertheless, I can understand why it was one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal opinion is that his race was an important influencing factor for many people who voted for him, and for some, the main if not only reason. that is why I said I believe he&#8217;s an affirmative action hire. I don&#8217;t have concrete polling data to back it up because I&#8217;m not aware of any done on that specific issue. But many people wanted to help make history, and blacks wanted to vote for what they incorrectly believed to be the first black president. Add liberal guilt to that and you have decisions based not on merit but on skin color. </p>

<p>Also, I find it personally impossible to believe that a white freshman senator with virtually no experience would have been even a candidate for the nomination, much less the nominee and actually president. There is no case to be made Obama had the requisite experience to run. He even used running as &#8216;experience.&#8217; </p>

<p>Again, this is my personal impression and opinion and my point is that it was a factor when it shouldn&#8217;t have been one. Nevertheless, I can understand why it was one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post on Obama&#039;s inauguration is provocatively titled &quot;Another Sad Chapter in Racism&quot; and derisively labels the new president an &quot;affirmative action hire.&quot;  Such bold language deserves strong supporting details. 

@Jay:

What is a &quot;hefty portion&quot;?  Do you have poll data to support your gut feeling?  My 68-year-old mother still recounts bitterly how she lost a great job opportunity with the state government owing to affirmative action, yet for the first time since 1964, she cast a vote for a democratic presidential candidate.  Obama&#039;s supporters are a diverse demographic.  Obama&#039;s race won him some votes but cost him others.  A fellow employee whom I had never considered racist cracked a joke about an Obama White House replacing the Rose Garden with a watermelon patch.  I don&#039;t think anyone can accurately quantify whether Obama&#039;s race was a net gain or loss, but it certainly was not the overriding factor in his win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post on Obama&#8217;s inauguration is provocatively titled &#8220;Another Sad Chapter in Racism&#8221; and derisively labels the new president an &#8220;affirmative action hire.&#8221;  Such bold language deserves strong supporting details. </p>

<p>@Jay:</p>

<p>What is a &#8220;hefty portion&#8221;?  Do you have poll data to support your gut feeling?  My 68-year-old mother still recounts bitterly how she lost a great job opportunity with the state government owing to affirmative action, yet for the first time since 1964, she cast a vote for a democratic presidential candidate.  Obama&#8217;s supporters are a diverse demographic.  Obama&#8217;s race won him some votes but cost him others.  A fellow employee whom I had never considered racist cracked a joke about an Obama White House replacing the Rose Garden with a watermelon patch.  I don&#8217;t think anyone can accurately quantify whether Obama&#8217;s race was a net gain or loss, but it certainly was not the overriding factor in his win.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ron patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site offers excellent travel and geo-political observations.  I do believe that Anthropology is not your strong suit.  I am confused as to why voting for a black man is racist.  Obama considers himself black.  Why not an article on Canada&#039;s ehnic cleansing of blacks and the banning of &#039;colored&quot; immigration until 1963?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site offers excellent travel and geo-political observations.  I do believe that Anthropology is not your strong suit.  I am confused as to why voting for a black man is racist.  Obama considers himself black.  Why not an article on Canada&#8217;s ehnic cleansing of blacks and the banning of &#8216;colored&#8221; immigration until 1963?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the &quot;affirmative action candidate&quot; reference stems from the race based votes that Obama received. I find it very difficult that a hefty portion of his supporters don&#039;t take into account his race as much as any of his policies in their reasoning for their support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the &#8220;affirmative action candidate&#8221; reference stems from the race based votes that Obama received. I find it very difficult that a hefty portion of his supporters don&#8217;t take into account his race as much as any of his policies in their reasoning for their support.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alfred Russel Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred Russel Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t look on him as an &#039;affirmative action&#039; candidate - he ran the best campaign of the Democrats, and after the arguably worst president in US history, the only surprise to me is that anyone voted Republican....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t look on him as an &#8216;affirmative action&#8217; candidate &#8211; he ran the best campaign of the Democrats, and after the arguably worst president in US history, the only surprise to me is that anyone voted Republican&#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You opened your post by bolding labeling Obama &quot;our first presidential &#039;affirmative action hire&#039;&quot; yet provided no support for this assertion, addressing only the second point about the black/white dichotomy.  Could you please elaborate on the first claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You opened your post by bolding labeling Obama &#8220;our first presidential &#8216;affirmative action hire&#8217;&#8221; yet provided no support for this assertion, addressing only the second point about the black/white dichotomy.  Could you please elaborate on the first claim?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Thomas Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think America is unique?  Go to the UK and ask are the Scots different from the Welsh, or are people from Edinburgh the same as people from Perth?  Why not ask a Breton if he is different from a French Basque?

People who focus on their diffferences do so because they can&#039;t focus on talent or excellence.

Witness the truly great figures in history.  They do not play on gender, race or creed.  Losers do.  Obama and his Obamabots are racists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think America is unique?  Go to the UK and ask are the Scots different from the Welsh, or are people from Edinburgh the same as people from Perth?  Why not ask a Breton if he is different from a French Basque?</p>

<p>People who focus on their diffferences do so because they can&#8217;t focus on talent or excellence.</p>

<p>Witness the truly great figures in history.  They do not play on gender, race or creed.  Losers do.  Obama and his Obamabots are racists.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ron patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really sure if you are making a point in the article.  What is the sad part?  Most all ready know that America is a multi cultural place and that there were and are serious racial problems.  Including a civil war.  Are there still problems of course as long as there are humans there will be some sort of tribalism.  Most people are very happy that obama was elected.  he was voted on by merit by most.  Did you have any point ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really sure if you are making a point in the article.  What is the sad part?  Most all ready know that America is a multi cultural place and that there were and are serious racial problems.  Including a civil war.  Are there still problems of course as long as there are humans there will be some sort of tribalism.  Most people are very happy that obama was elected.  he was voted on by merit by most.  Did you have any point ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roy Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph: I may have seen the first report of that anecdote, which was from someone who claimed to have experienced it themselves. Of course, I can&#039;t remember where that was so it could be totally fake...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph: I may have seen the first report of that anecdote, which was from someone who claimed to have experienced it themselves. Of course, I can&#8217;t remember where that was so it could be totally fake&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hitchens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Hitchens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know if my favorite campaign story is an Internet urban legend:  a canvasser was going door-to-door sampling voter preferences; one door opened by a housewife who, when asked who she planned to vote for, hollered to her husband who was watching TV, &quot;Who we gonna vote for, honey?&quot;  &quot;The ni**er!&quot;  Turned back to the canvasser &amp; said, &quot;we&#039;re voting for the ni**er.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know if my favorite campaign story is an Internet urban legend:  a canvasser was going door-to-door sampling voter preferences; one door opened by a housewife who, when asked who she planned to vote for, hollered to her husband who was watching <span class="caps">TV, </span>&#8220;Who we gonna vote for, honey?&#8221;  &#8220;The ni**er!&#8221;  Turned back to the canvasser &amp; said, &#8220;we&#8217;re voting for the ni**er.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie: Thanks for that, I guess I don&#039;t discuss it enough to use the acronym =)

Joe: I agree culture is better way to describe it. Perhaps that will be the trend in the future, away from skin color and towards different types of subcultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie: Thanks for that, I guess I don&#8217;t discuss it enough to use the acronym =)</p>

<p>Joe: I agree culture is better way to describe it. Perhaps that will be the trend in the future, away from skin color and towards different types of subcultures.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirol.

AA= affirmative action.

Obama will not try any gun control moves. Way too many Blue Dog democrats to kill that, especially Jim Webb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol.</p>

<p>AA= affirmative action.</p>

<p>Obama will not try any gun control moves. Way too many Blue Dog democrats to kill that, especially Jim Webb.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Skippy-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for very well laying out my big beef with -American nomenclature.

However there are two parallel cultures at work now. Those that want to move beyond skin color and those who want to use it to enhance preferred customer status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for very well laying out my big beef with -American nomenclature.</p>

<p>However there are two parallel cultures at work now. Those that want to move beyond skin color and those who want to use it to enhance preferred customer status.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Race&quot; is a really stupid word that ought to be banned. &quot;Culture&quot; makes sense. &quot;Ethnicity&quot; sort of makes sense since it at least has some malleability.

The US is at least sensible enough to officially consider &quot;Hispanic&quot; or &quot;Latino&quot; a separate classification from race, since every country in Latin America has white, black and Native American Hispanic/Latinos in varying proportions. Heck, there are even a lot of Asians down there. Calling Hispanic a race is like calling American a race.

My high school in Florida was statistically &quot;90% black,&quot; but still had incredible cultural diversity between its Americans, Jamaicans, Bahamians, Dominicans, Cubans, Haitians, a smattering of other Afro-Caribbean people and even a few &quot;real&quot; Africans. Many people who had never been there were surprised that a white kid like me could survive there. But skin color is ultimately little more than what people make it to be. (Not that I wouldn&#039;t mind more melanin when I go to the beach...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Race&#8221; is a really stupid word that ought to be banned. &#8220;Culture&#8221; makes sense. &#8220;Ethnicity&#8221; sort of makes sense since it at least has some malleability.</p>

<p>The US is at least sensible enough to officially consider &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; or &#8220;Latino&#8221; a separate classification from race, since every country in Latin America has white, black and Native American Hispanic/Latinos in varying proportions. Heck, there are even a lot of Asians down there. Calling Hispanic a race is like calling American a race.</p>

<p>My high school in Florida was statistically &#8220;90% black,&#8221; but still had incredible cultural diversity between its Americans, Jamaicans, Bahamians, Dominicans, Cubans, Haitians, a smattering of other Afro-Caribbean people and even a few &#8220;real&#8221; Africans. Many people who had never been there were surprised that a white kid like me could survive there. But skin color is ultimately little more than what people make it to be. (Not that I wouldn&#8217;t mind more melanin when I go to the beach&#8230;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: American Mutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Mutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another 2 cents:
A lot of Americans are of mixed race as well, including yours truly to a small degree (1/32nd Cherokee).  I have read of studies suggesting that &quot;black&quot; americans have on average 1/4 European Ancestry.  Henry Louis Gates has found that he may have as much European Ancestry as African.  So this just goes further to demonstrate the way race is a man-made system for sorting people.  I also think that you are going to see more and more Americans of mixed racial groups as immigration picks up and taboos on interracial marriage get tossed away.  Speaking as someone in my 20s, I see this happening among my friends, a large proportion of whom are marrying across racial categories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another 2 cents:<br />
A lot of Americans are of mixed race as well, including yours truly to a small degree (1/32nd Cherokee).  I have read of studies suggesting that &#8220;black&#8221; americans have on average 1/4 European Ancestry.  Henry Louis Gates has found that he may have as much European Ancestry as African.  So this just goes further to demonstrate the way race is a man-made system for sorting people.  I also think that you are going to see more and more Americans of mixed racial groups as immigration picks up and taboos on interracial marriage get tossed away.  Speaking as someone in my 20s, I see this happening among my friends, a large proportion of whom are marrying across racial categories.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are names considered black, black churches and a black dialect. In addition most europeans are culturally closer to each other than to non-europeans. Europeans share christianity, some relation to classical antiquity, a link to either Rome or Constantinople and a shared basic material culture.

Even hispanic is considered a race. Which makes little sense. From a distance race seems to be a euphemism for what multiethnic countries call ethnicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are names considered black, black churches and a black dialect. In addition most europeans are culturally closer to each other than to non-europeans. Europeans share christianity, some relation to classical antiquity, a link to either Rome or Constantinople and a shared basic material culture.</p>

<p>Even hispanic is considered a race. Which makes little sense. From a distance race seems to be a euphemism for what multiethnic countries call ethnicity.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rommel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rommel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media, epecially here but abroad as well, have proven themselves to be the true devisive and race-baiting cretins during this whole ordeal. Americans (with the exception of the old-fashioned racist whites and some of the black voters) have proven with their support that they can largely look past race. I don&#039;t know any whites that voted for Obama because he was black. The media continues to harp on the racial tones of his nascent presidency and has done so since the very early days of the election. As a staunch conservative I am willing to give Obama a chance and will respect the office - unlike our liberal compatriots in the past. I am growing increasingly weary of the race-tinged news &quot;reporting&quot;, i.e. interviewing mostly black Americans on their feelings today, allusions to Dr. King...
Now that he is elected it is time to stop calling him our first black president and call him our President with no qualifier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media, epecially here but abroad as well, have proven themselves to be the true devisive and race-baiting cretins during this whole ordeal. Americans (with the exception of the old-fashioned racist whites and some of the black voters) have proven with their support that they can largely look past race. I don&#8217;t know any whites that voted for Obama because he was black. The media continues to harp on the racial tones of his nascent presidency and has done so since the very early days of the election. As a staunch conservative I am willing to give Obama a chance and will respect the office &#8211; unlike our liberal compatriots in the past. I am growing increasingly weary of the race-tinged news &#8220;reporting&#8221;, i.e. interviewing mostly black Americans on their feelings today, allusions to Dr. King&#8230;<br />
Now that he is elected it is time to stop calling him our first black president and call him our President with no qualifier.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Our Man in Abiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our Man in Abiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Chirol, I don&#039;t get your argument. Because Obama is half-black, but people call him black, that makes his presidency not a step forward for race relations? OK, so we shouldn&#039;t judge folk on the colour of their skin. He won the presidency campaigning against the war, the neo-cons and latterly the economy. He didn&#039;t raise race per se, everyone else did. But he won anyway. That proves our racism? I don&#039; get it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Chirol, I don&#8217;t get your argument. Because Obama is half-black, but people call him black, that makes his presidency not a step forward for race relations? <span class="caps">OK, </span>so we shouldn&#8217;t judge folk on the colour of their skin. He won the presidency campaigning against the war, the neo-cons and latterly the economy. He didn&#8217;t raise race per se, everyone else did. But he won anyway. That proves our racism? I don&#8217; get it&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll have to excuse me, AA? 

I&#039;m definitely willing to give him a chance on many things. It&#039;s hard to know what exactly to believe. At times I don&#039;t trust him and loathe his ideas while at others he seems to demonstrate his awareness of the difficulties that lie ahead and realize Bush made many good moves with the information he had at the time.

However, if he brings back the &quot;assault weapons&quot; ban, or any other anti-gun legislation, that&#039;s it for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll have to excuse me, AA? </p>

<p>I&#8217;m definitely willing to give him a chance on many things. It&#8217;s hard to know what exactly to believe. At times I don&#8217;t trust him and loathe his ideas while at others he seems to demonstrate his awareness of the difficulties that lie ahead and realize Bush made many good moves with the information he had at the time.</p>

<p>However, if he brings back the &#8220;assault weapons&#8221; ban, or any other anti-gun legislation, that&#8217;s it for me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirol,
 He may yet. He needs to be watched closely on AA. There seems to be some open-mindedness there with him. Perhaps he will oversee a shift to class-based AA as is being seen increasingly in states?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol,<br />
 He may yet. He needs to be watched closely on <span class="caps">AA.</span> There seems to be some open-mindedness there with him. Perhaps he will oversee a shift to class-based AA as is being seen increasingly in states?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Jones: I&#039;ll agree &#039;sad&#039; may be a bit much. I also fully agree and understand identity is situational. I&#039;m from my home state while living here in DC. With a mixed group of Americans I&#039;m southern, and abroad I&#039;m just American. My hope, and what I also intended to get across in this post, isn&#039;t my disapproval of Obama but rather to point out how much further we have to go and that the real racism is a much deeper mental framework, not a superifical dislike of white or black.

Curzon: That article didn&#039;t say much. Merely that because people like Obama so much, it must be a great thing. We&#039;ll see how that pans out in 6 months, or when a major catastrophe hits. 

Eddie: I don&#039;t accuse Obama of being the only one to practice identity politics, just that he did it at the expensive of fighting a real and deeper racism. As for Palin, swimsuit contest aside, she was a retard and a blatant and pathetic attempt to bring so-called joe sixpack on board. It&#039;s one bad McCain decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Jones: I&#8217;ll agree &#8217;sad&#8217; may be a bit much. I also fully agree and understand identity is situational. I&#8217;m from my home state while living here in <span class="caps">DC.</span> With a mixed group of Americans I&#8217;m southern, and abroad I&#8217;m just American. My hope, and what I also intended to get across in this post, isn&#8217;t my disapproval of Obama but rather to point out how much further we have to go and that the real racism is a much deeper mental framework, not a superifical dislike of white or black.</p>

<p>Curzon: That article didn&#8217;t say much. Merely that because people like Obama so much, it must be a great thing. We&#8217;ll see how that pans out in 6 months, or when a major catastrophe hits. </p>

<p>Eddie: I don&#8217;t accuse Obama of being the only one to practice identity politics, just that he did it at the expensive of fighting a real and deeper racism. As for Palin, swimsuit contest aside, she was a retard and a blatant and pathetic attempt to bring so-called joe sixpack on board. It&#8217;s one bad McCain decision.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To argue that:
 &quot;However, I do think he intentionally downplayed that to take advantage of the many people voting solely based on race.&quot;
is to ignore the rise of identity politics in America (evangelicals voting their faith with Bush, women voting for HRC) that has been nationalized after being honed and practiced for so long to near-perfection by past politicians. 

What do you think the Sarah Palin was about? That was a blatant attempt to grab HRC supporters and add novelty/change to the ticket.

Most would argue that Obama&#039;s race hurt him in every other way in the election campaign, aside from the increased black vote in key states. It took a top-notch organizational effort, an economic recession, a deeply unpopular president and party and a series of miscues on his opponent&#039;s part for Obama to win. 
 
I see no evidence people in Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, New Mexico, Iowa, etc. who had no reason to support a black candidate based on his race, did so. 

I do see substantial evidence both in the primaries and the general that a considerable number of whites voted against him for his skin color.

Now that he has won, his story becomes America&#039;s and can be used to soothe all types of personal needs and wounds. 
In a year of O.J., R. Kelly, Jesse Jackson, etc., not to mention more personal problems such as massive numbers of black families losing their homes and jobs, dozens of black children being gunned down at school and in front yards, did you not expect black Americans to vote en masse for one of their own to push back decades of being told they were not good enough for equality, let alone the Presidency?

Or for Republicans like Rollins, Huckabee, McCain, Cheney, Bush, etc. to not express with believable joy in their voices what a historic moment this is and what it says about America? 

People tend to try to look on the bright side of things, especially right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To argue that:<br />
 &#8220;However, I do think he intentionally downplayed that to take advantage of the many people voting solely based on race.&#8221;<br />
is to ignore the rise of identity politics in America (evangelicals voting their faith with Bush, women voting for <span class="caps">HRC</span>) that has been nationalized after being honed and practiced for so long to near-perfection by past politicians. </p>

<p>What do you think the Sarah Palin was about? That was a blatant attempt to grab <span class="caps">HRC </span>supporters and add novelty/change to the ticket.</p>

<p>Most would argue that Obama&#8217;s race hurt him in every other way in the election campaign, aside from the increased black vote in key states. It took a top-notch organizational effort, an economic recession, a deeply unpopular president and party and a series of miscues on his opponent&#8217;s part for Obama to win. <br />
 <br />
I see no evidence people in Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, New Mexico, Iowa, etc. who had no reason to support a black candidate based on his race, did so. </p>

<p>I do see substantial evidence both in the primaries and the general that a considerable number of whites voted against him for his skin color.</p>

<p>Now that he has won, his story becomes America&#8217;s and can be used to soothe all types of personal needs and wounds. <br />
In a year of <span class="caps">O.J.,</span> R. Kelly, Jesse Jackson, etc., not to mention more personal problems such as massive numbers of black families losing their homes and jobs, dozens of black children being gunned down at school and in front yards, did you not expect black Americans to vote en masse for one of their own to push back decades of being told they were not good enough for equality, let alone the Presidency?</p>

<p>Or for Republicans like Rollins, Huckabee, McCain, Cheney, Bush, etc. to not express with believable joy in their voices what a historic moment this is and what it says about America? </p>

<p>People tend to try to look on the bright side of things, especially right now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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