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December 3rd, 2008

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A realist-shaped hole

Ross Douthat introduces the Millman Chart which describes the four traditions of American foreign policy.

Millman chart

The chart was developed in 2007 by Noah Millman to help people discern between realists and neocons. I find myself somewhere in the bottom right of that chart with the Hamiltonians, right where the “realist-shaped hole” exists in the GOP. Millman claims it is these realists that have jumped the Republican ship to board the USS Obama. I plead guilty.

In a semi-related note, this chart reminds me of the Political Compass, a Cartesian take on the traditional left-right political spectrum. I and others from CA and MutantFrog took the test and published our results. I thought it would be interesting to take it again, three and a half years later, to see how my views have changed. Here are the results and dates of each time I took the test:

09 Jan 2005
Economic Left/Right: 3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54

17 Jun 2005
Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

01 Dec 2008
Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

A large shift. Reflecting on my transformative experience doing graduate work I figured my social libertarian score would drop, but I am surprised that my economics score has pulled back. I still feel as pro-market as ever. On the whole, I have consistently remained in the same quandrant. Feel free to post your own scores in the comments.

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ejw
December 3, 2008
10:45 am
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
Glenn Anderson
December 3, 2008
1:46 pm
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

Enjoyable Test!
jesus reyes
December 3, 2008
1:54 pm
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

I took this test a few years ago. My score hasn't changed, but I am an old man. It changed considerably between ages 20 and 40. I went to University at the front of the Olin Foundation years. It took awhile to get the dust out of my eyes
Chirol
December 3, 2008
2:24 pm
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41

I'm shocked to be considered slightly left, although the Libertarian tendency is accurate. Seems I'm dead center. I think my conservative foreign policy combined with my half social half libertarian domestic policy balances out.
Patton
December 3, 2008
4:02 pm
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
That's what I was sort of figuring. I know that on a lot of domestic issues (abortion, homosexuals, etc.) I don't think the government needs to get involved. Nifty test.
Roy Berman
December 3, 2008
5:07 pm
While I suppose the economic tilt to the left is a fairly common response to an economic crisis like the one we are in, what do you think is behind the far more dramatic shift on the Libertarian scale? Could it just be that you finally married the super lefty social worker lady you'd been dating all those years?
von Kaufman-Turkestansky
December 3, 2008
9:05 pm
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Not quite the Dalai Lama, just yet.
I'll meditate on this.
Younghusband
December 3, 2008
11:17 pm
"@Roy Berman":http://cominganarchy.com/2008/12/03/a-realist-shaped-hole/#comment-386675 No I think it was all the philosophy reading I did at school. As you may notice in my writing at CA I am much less dogmatic now in my thinking. That gets me to the center. But my views on personal rights (Strongly Agree), gay rights (Strongly Agree), and religion (Strongly Disagree) have become more solid. I think these pushed me down on the Libertarian scale.
Roy Berman
December 4, 2008
10:12 am
Our data points on the test do certainly line up closer now. I should probably retake it later, to see if there's any change. One thing it doesn't account for, however, is your relative value placed on one type of freedom over another. For example, even though I place pretty far to the left on both axes, I consider the Social Libertarian axis to be fundamentally more important than the Economic one, which I think can be far more easily argued either way based on empirical/experimental evidence.
Michael
December 4, 2008
8:17 pm
That Atlantic post describes the Democratic Party as being divided between Jeffersonians and Hamiltonians. Anyone else notice the massive historical irony of that?
Michael
December 6, 2008
4:57 am
-1.75
-3.85

Ommm . . .