Comments on: How much of an assassination risk is the President-elect? http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:55:26 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Joe Jones http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386330 Joe Jones Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:24:39 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386330 Some MSM comment here: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jiAFhkBgT-4gscycbegPPpvkDGXA Some MSM comment here: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jiAFhkBgT-4gscycbegPPpvkDGXA

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386327 Curzon Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:26:48 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386327 Jesus, I'll answer the question for you: no and no. Jesus, I’ll answer the question for you: no and no.

]]> By: jesus reyes http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386325 jesus reyes Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:26:00 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386325 Depends entirely on whether he shuts down west bank colonization or significantly cuts the US military budget Depends entirely on whether he shuts down west bank colonization or significantly cuts the US military budget

]]> By: Bubba http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386306 Bubba Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:53:04 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386306 Ken, while Obama's policies will be more "socialist" than McCain's proposed ones, they are far less so than other policies previously enacted in the USA. See FDR, LBJ. Obama will raise taxes, but only to Clinton levels if his campaign proposals are to be believed. Drop the over the top campaign rhetoric. It's over, and Barry won. Ken, while Obama’s policies will be more “socialist” than McCain’s proposed ones, they are far less so than other policies previously enacted in the USA. See FDR, LBJ. Obama will raise taxes, but only to Clinton levels if his campaign proposals are to be believed.

Drop the over the top campaign rhetoric. It’s over, and Barry won.

]]> By: Obama and the Presidential Security Challenge | T.G.O.H http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386292 Obama and the Presidential Security Challenge | T.G.O.H Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:07:33 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386292 [...] How much of an assassination risk is the President-elect? [...] [...] How much of an assassination risk is the President-elect? [...]

]]> By: Ken http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386287 Ken Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:36:13 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386287 "you are seriously out of your fucking mind" Not the first time I've been accused of that, also being a drunkard and buffoon. No, I think we've seen the death of a once great Nation. "Despair is a sin." I sin. “you are seriously out of your fucking mind”
Not the first time I’ve been accused of that, also being a drunkard and buffoon.

No, I think we’ve seen the death of a once great Nation.
“Despair is a sin.” I sin.

]]> By: alacazaba http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386277 alacazaba Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:39:15 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386277 Must you always trot out the usual suspects when talking about assassinations of presidents? Why does it always have to right wing associated extremists? Malcom X was assassinated by one of his own crowd, after all. It could equally be a left wing extremist that tries to assassinate the president elect. Say, for example, a group of homosexual extremists are a little too upset that large numbers of black voters in places like California who came out to vote for Obama also voted for the of homosexual marriages and decide that political action is not enough to advance their agenda. They then strike out at the symbol of this liberal intolerance, Barak Obama, as an act of vengence. One thing though, I don't see the risks being any greater than any other president has faced. Any president's greatest fear is being assassinated by ballot come voting time. Must you always trot out the usual suspects when talking about assassinations of presidents? Why does it always have to right wing associated extremists?

Malcom X was assassinated by one of his own crowd, after all.

It could equally be a left wing extremist that tries to assassinate the president elect. Say, for example, a group of homosexual extremists are a little too upset that large numbers of black voters in places like California who came out to vote for Obama also voted for the of homosexual marriages and decide that political action is not enough to advance their agenda.

They then strike out at the symbol of this liberal intolerance, Barak Obama, as an act of vengence.

One thing though, I don’t see the risks being any greater than any other president has faced. Any president’s greatest fear is being assassinated by ballot come voting time.

]]> By: Roy Berman http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386276 Roy Berman Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:50:43 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386276 Ken, if you think what's happening now is even remotely comparable to the "class war" of the late 19th and early 20th century in the USA, you are seriously out of your fucking mind. Ken, if you think what’s happening now is even remotely comparable to the “class war” of the late 19th and early 20th century in the USA, you are seriously out of your fucking mind.

]]> By: Roy Berman http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386275 Roy Berman Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:49:56 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386275 Today on campus I heard one guy ask another what he thought about Obama's election. The reply: "I think he's going to be killed." Everyone else seemed much more positive, including a group of Africans (one was a Kenyan Luo like Obama Sr.) and Muslims (Arab and SE Asia) I spent a little while chatting with. Today on campus I heard one guy ask another what he thought about Obama’s election. The reply: “I think he’s going to be killed.”

Everyone else seemed much more positive, including a group of Africans (one was a Kenyan Luo like Obama Sr.) and Muslims (Arab and SE Asia) I spent a little while chatting with.

]]> By: Ken http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386274 Ken Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:54:53 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386274 "I’m not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow." Class war, my man, class war. I hope I'm mistaken but-I feel the Nation I love is doomed. (I probably would have felt the same if Mc'P had "won"; only slightly less so.) “I’m not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow.”
Class war, my man, class war.
I hope I’m mistaken but-I feel the Nation I love is doomed.
(I probably would have felt the same if Mc’P had “won”; only slightly less so.)

]]> By: Ken http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386273 Ken Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:49:42 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386273 "I’m not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow." While I wish President-elect the best, and hope I'm wrong- Class war, my friend, class war. The USA I know and love is doomed. More socialism, anyone? “I’m not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow.”
While I wish President-elect the best, and hope I’m wrong-
Class war, my friend, class war. The USA I know and love is doomed.
More socialism, anyone?

]]> By: Joe Jones http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386266 Joe Jones Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:57:31 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386266 I'm not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow. Obama's election is one of the best things to happen in racial relations in America, and if it ends up messily undone for whatever reason, relations are going to be set back a decade or two, at least. BTW Curzon, how are you defining "attempt?" I would think that once they've assembled the weapons and set off on their killing spree, the "attempt" has begun. I’m not worried about the assassination as much as the race war that might follow. Obama’s election is one of the best things to happen in racial relations in America, and if it ends up messily undone for whatever reason, relations are going to be set back a decade or two, at least.
BTW Curzon, how are you defining “attempt?” I would think that once they’ve assembled the weapons and set off on their killing spree, the “attempt” has begun.

]]> By: Roy Berman http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386260 Roy Berman Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:39:08 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386260 "Amazing how lucky Bush Sr. (and those around him) was in Georgia, possibly saved by a handkerchief." That sort of thing seems to be pretty common in assassination plots. Remember how Hitler survived an attempt by some rebel SS officers because he happened to have wandered to the opposite side of the heavy conference table from their bomb? I doubt any president in history hasn't had at least a few plots or attempts against him, at least by wackos. How about the guy who crashed his prop plane into the Bill Clinton White House? Luckily it's a tougher structure than the typical house-and Clinton was out at the time, showing a lack of the kind of planning a serious plot would have had. Don't forget that Obama also got Secret Service bodyguards earlier than any other candidate in history. There is definitely a good reason for that. “Amazing how lucky Bush Sr. (and those around him) was in Georgia, possibly saved by a handkerchief.”
That sort of thing seems to be pretty common in assassination plots. Remember how Hitler survived an attempt by some rebel SS officers because he happened to have wandered to the opposite side of the heavy conference table from their bomb?

I doubt any president in history hasn’t had at least a few plots or attempts against him, at least by wackos. How about the guy who crashed his prop plane into the Bill Clinton White House? Luckily it’s a tougher structure than the typical house-and Clinton was out at the time, showing a lack of the kind of planning a serious plot would have had.

Don’t forget that Obama also got Secret Service bodyguards earlier than any other candidate in history. There is definitely a good reason for that.

]]> By: Jay http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386257 Jay Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:25:16 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386257 It's an interesting thing to consider, I'd had a similar conversation with a friend earlier today. Amazing how lucky Bush Sr. (and those around him) was in Georgia, possibly saved by a handkerchief. I'd imagine the Secret Service efforts will be legion at first. This is, after all, new territory for the country as a whole, much less the security dynamics surrounding a President. In a sense, the organized nature of hate groups might be a silver lining. It makes them easier to monitor. Let's hope any future threats remain hamfisted efforts (organizing on MySpace?! Lol) by low brow types. It’s an interesting thing to consider, I’d had a similar conversation with a friend earlier today. Amazing how lucky Bush Sr. (and those around him) was in Georgia, possibly saved by a handkerchief.

I’d imagine the Secret Service efforts will be legion at first. This is, after all, new territory for the country as a whole, much less the security dynamics surrounding a President. In a sense, the organized nature of hate groups might be a silver lining. It makes them easier to monitor.

Let’s hope any future threats remain hamfisted efforts (organizing on MySpace?! Lol) by low brow types.

]]> By: JT http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386256 JT Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:17:12 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386256 Heh. Bruce Willis was in 'The Jackal' which is loosely based off the much superior film 'The Day of the Jackal,' which is based off the book of the same name by Frederick Forsyth. I wish our Secret Service personnel the best of luck, for I fear President-elect Obama does, indeed, present himself as a larger target than anyone in recent memory. Some people would like to just see this global 'high' burnt to the ground. Heh. Bruce Willis was in ‘The Jackal’ which is loosely based off the much superior film ‘The Day of the Jackal,’ which is based off the book of the same name by Frederick Forsyth.
I wish our Secret Service personnel the best of luck, for I fear President-elect Obama does, indeed, present himself as a larger target than anyone in recent memory. Some people would like to just see this global ‘high’ burnt to the ground.

]]> By: von Kaufman-Turkestansky http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386255 von Kaufman-Turkestansky Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:51:53 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386255 Bruce Willis was great in Day of the Jackal! Bruce Willis was great in Day of the Jackal!

]]> By: dj http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386254 dj Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:30:33 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386254 Two to three morons who happen to have guns just talking about it is not a serous attempt. It is a very difficult thing to pull off. I just watched "The Day of a Jackal" on TCM. It is even more difficult if you want to get away with it. Two to three morons who happen to have guns just talking about it is not a serous attempt.

It is a very difficult thing to pull off. I just watched “The Day of a Jackal” on TCM. It is even more difficult if you want to get away with it.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386252 Curzon Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:49:23 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386252 You're confusing threats with attempts -- Obama has not survived an assasination attempt, but he has been the subject of several assasination plots and threats, the latest being the neo-nazis organized through My Space. Threats are, for better or worse, a normal part of US presidential life. I read somewhere that Clinton was subject to more than 80 threats during his term in office and Bush more than 200. Obama and Bush were both subject to a threat in August, which received minimal media attention because the threatening person was a nutjob, not a racist extremist. http://jp.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0734763220080808 Attempts, however, as you note, are less frequent. You’re confusing threats with attempts — Obama has not survived an assasination attempt, but he has been the subject of several assasination plots and threats, the latest being the neo-nazis organized through My Space.

Threats are, for better or worse, a normal part of US presidential life. I read somewhere that Clinton was subject to more than 80 threats during his term in office and Bush more than 200. Obama and Bush were both subject to a threat in August, which received minimal media attention because the threatening person was a nutjob, not a racist extremist.
http://jp.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0734763220080808

Attempts, however, as you note, are less frequent.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-386251 Curzon Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:43:11 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/11/05/how-much-of-an-assassination-risk-is-the-president-elect/#comment-386251 Love the graphic -- is that a CA original? Love the graphic — is that a CA original?

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