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		<title>By: agent Smith</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385429</link>
		<dc:creator>agent Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republic = way to the hell. As in the Czech republic! Long live the Kingom of Bohemia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republic = way to the hell. As in the Czech republic! Long live the Kingom of Bohemia!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385363</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ: As Thailand has been through one coup and seems about ready for another, their Royal family may not be the best example to turn to.

Did anyone else notice the quote in that article from a member of the Bagration family who happened to also be the senior member of the Romanov family? That could create some interesting complications in Russian politics if the Bagrations did come to power . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ: As Thailand has been through one coup and seems about ready for another, their Royal family may not be the best example to turn to.</p>

<p>Did anyone else notice the quote in that article from a member of the Bagration family who happened to also be the senior member of the Romanov family? That could create some interesting complications in Russian politics if the Bagrations did come to power . . .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385340</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, Robert Crampton of the London &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; wrote a column in July with &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4330118.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memories of Constantine Imeretski&lt;/a&gt;, another member of the Georgian royal family.

&lt;i&gt;&#039;After a while, the old man confided that he wasn’t really called Henry Stevens, that was merely the name painted on the side of a van he’d bought years before. His actual name was Constantine Imeretinski and he was a prince of the royal family of Georgia, a family that can trace its roots back to Alexander the Great. He had been born in the 400-room palace of Vichnevetz on his family’s estate in Poland (he showed Graeme a photograph), been educated in England and was a veteran of the Royal Flying Corps in the Great War. “He said, ‘Mister, we’d have to heave the bombs, 25lb bombs, out of the cockpit on to the German lines’,” Graeme recalls.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, Robert Crampton of the London <i>Times</i> wrote a column in July with <a href="https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4330118.ece">memories of Constantine Imeretski</a>, another member of the Georgian royal family.</p>

<p><i>&#8216;After a while, the old man confided that he wasn&acirc;t really called Henry Stevens, that was merely the name painted on the side of a van he&acirc;d bought years before. His actual name was Constantine Imeretinski and he was a prince of the royal family of Georgia, a family that can trace its roots back to Alexander the Great. He had been born in the 400-room palace of Vichnevetz on his family&acirc;s estate in Poland (he showed Graeme a photograph), been educated in England and was a veteran of the Royal Flying Corps in the Great War. &acirc;He said, &acirc;Mister, we&acirc;d have to heave the bombs, 25lb bombs, out of the cockpit on to the German lines&acirc;,&acirc; Graeme recalls.&#8217;</i></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Yours Truly</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385335</link>
		<dc:creator>Yours Truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jay &amp; Curzon : 

all apologies. Subjective &amp; poor logic on my part. But as JJ has suggested above, monarchs these days are mostly ornaments in a state, lacking real influence except perhaps during a event like foreign invasion.

If only the monarch in my country has the same influence as the one in Siam...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jay &amp; Curzon : </p>

<p>all apologies. Subjective &amp; poor logic on my part. But as JJ has suggested above, monarchs these days are mostly ornaments in a state, lacking real influence except perhaps during a event like foreign invasion.</p>

<p>If only the monarch in my country has the same influence as the one in Siam&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe Jones</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385328</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LG: I don&#039;t think those countries are powerful because they have constitutional monarchies. They just happened to conquer the world as unconstitutional monarchies, and strapped constitutions on later. The many basketcase republics of the world are, for the most part, young systems built from the ashes of colonial subjugation.

And how about the many great and prosperous societies organized around effective republican governments? Not just the United States. How about France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Israel and Ireland?

Every country needs national symbols, but there are many ways to skin that cat. I reckon a monarchy with some shred of historical legitimacy is probably good for a country lacking other powerful symbols of its own, but that&#039;s about the extent of its utility. In a well-developed nation-state with a strong culture, monarchy is likely to have little practical effect.

I certainly think it has little to no practical effect in today&#039;s Japan, other than maintaining a lovely green space in the middle of Tokyo: Japan&#039;s language and its myriad of traditions would guarantee its coherence as a nation anyway. The UK, on the other hand, has seen its culture lost to diffusion over the years, and the omnipresent monarchy is about the best thing it has left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LG: I don&#8217;t think those countries are powerful because they have constitutional monarchies. They just happened to conquer the world as unconstitutional monarchies, and strapped constitutions on later. The many basketcase republics of the world are, for the most part, young systems built from the ashes of colonial subjugation.</p>

<p>And how about the many great and prosperous societies organized around effective republican governments? Not just the United States. How about France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Israel and Ireland?</p>

<p>Every country needs national symbols, but there are many ways to skin that cat. I reckon a monarchy with some shred of historical legitimacy is probably good for a country lacking other powerful symbols of its own, but that&#8217;s about the extent of its utility. In a well-developed nation-state with a strong culture, monarchy is likely to have little practical effect.</p>

<p>I certainly think it has little to no practical effect in today&#8217;s Japan, other than maintaining a lovely green space in the middle of Tokyo: Japan&#8217;s language and its myriad of traditions would guarantee its coherence as a nation anyway. The <span class="caps">UK, </span>on the other hand, has seen its culture lost to diffusion over the years, and the omnipresent monarchy is about the best thing it has left.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it doesn’t seem that things are gettin’ any better here despite having a monarch.&quot;

That&#039;s also poor logic.  The question is, would things be better if there was not a monarch, and if so, how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it doesn&acirc;t seem that things are gettin&acirc; any better here despite having a monarch.&#8221;</p>

<p>That&#8217;s also poor logic.  The question is, would things be better if there was not a monarch, and if so, how?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I presently live in one of the kingdoms listed by LG. &amp; it doesn’t seem that things are gettin’ any better here despite having a monarch.&quot;

How does your countries situation compare to that of Georgia? I suspect your comment is entirely subjective within the context of an already stable (if flawed, as you suggest) national existence. I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I presently live in one of the kingdoms listed by <span class="caps">LG. </span>&amp; it doesn&acirc;t seem that things are gettin&acirc; any better here despite having a monarch.&#8221;</p>

<p>How does your countries situation compare to that of Georgia? I suspect your comment is entirely subjective within the context of an already stable (if flawed, as you suggest) national existence. I could be wrong.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last few turbulent months of 2007, the idea of reinstating the Georgian monarchy came to the fore, when a coalition of opposition parties demanded the abolition of the presidency. Politicians suggested reinstating the royal family and turning the country into a constitutional monarchy. 

Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia Ilia II highlighted the issue in an October sermon, commenting that it was “the dream of the Georgian people to have this [Bagrationi] dynasty restored.” 

Meanwhile, the opposition New Rights party, which stood aside from the anti-government demonstrations staged by a coalition of ten opposition parties in October and November 2007, became the major political group to add a more nuanced view on the establishment of a constitutional monarchy to their agenda. They issued a special declaration supporting the idea and proposing to hold a referendum on the issue, a suggestion which was also included in the pre-election campaign of David Gamkrelidze, a candidate from the New Rights/Industrialis ts bloc for the early presidential elections scheduled on January 5, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last few turbulent months of 2007, the idea of reinstating the Georgian monarchy came to the fore, when a coalition of opposition parties demanded the abolition of the presidency. Politicians suggested reinstating the royal family and turning the country into a constitutional monarchy. </p>

<p>Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia Ilia II highlighted the issue in an October sermon, commenting that it was &acirc;the dream of the Georgian people to have this [Bagrationi] dynasty restored.&acirc; </p>

<p>Meanwhile, the opposition New Rights party, which stood aside from the anti-government demonstrations staged by a coalition of ten opposition parties in October and November 2007, became the major political group to add a more nuanced view on the establishment of a constitutional monarchy to their agenda. They issued a special declaration supporting the idea and proposing to hold a referendum on the issue, a suggestion which was also included in the pre-election campaign of David Gamkrelidze, a candidate from the New Rights/Industrialis ts bloc for the early presidential elections scheduled on January 5, 2008.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YT, look at the track record of the constitutional monarchies over time compared to other types of political organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">YT, </span>look at the track record of the constitutional monarchies over time compared to other types of political organization.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Yours Truly</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385304</link>
		<dc:creator>Yours Truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.&quot; : HL Mencken

Maybe an enlightened despot isn&#039;t really such a bad idea. On the other hand, I presently live in one of the kingdoms listed by LG. &amp; it doesn&#039;t seem that things are gettin&#039; any better here despite having a monarch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.&#8221; : HL Mencken</p>

<p>Maybe an enlightened despot isn&#8217;t really such a bad idea. On the other hand, I presently live in one of the kingdoms listed by <span class="caps">LG. </span>&amp; it doesn&#8217;t seem that things are gettin&#8217; any better here despite having a monarch.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385296</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one British monarchist once said, &quot;the King is important not for what he does but what he does not do.  And like the King piece on the chess board, his most important role is stoping other board pieces from occupying the position he is in.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one British monarchist once said, &#8220;the King is important not for what he does but what he does not do.  And like the King piece on the chess board, his most important role is stoping other board pieces from occupying the position he is in.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constitutional monarchy is probably the best form of government.  If you look at the countries that are monarchies now, they are pretty much the global A List, especially if you compare them to their near neighbors.  The USA is almost an outlier NOT being a monarchy.

These are the major ones:

Asia: Japan, Thailand, Malaysia

Middle East: Oman, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar, Morocco

Europe: Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden

Anglosphere:  UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, various islands

Monarchy takes the symbolic and identity element out of democratic politics and lodges it somewhere off to the side.  A monarch is a source of stability in a a crisis.  There are lots of reasons to want to have a reasonably well-behaved monarch with strictly limtited powers on hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitutional monarchy is probably the best form of government.  If you look at the countries that are monarchies now, they are pretty much the global A List, especially if you compare them to their near neighbors.  The <span class="caps">USA </span>is almost an outlier <span class="caps">NOT </span>being a monarchy.</p>

<p>These are the major ones:</p>

<p>Asia: Japan, Thailand, Malaysia</p>

<p>Middle East: Oman, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar, Morocco</p>

<p>Europe: Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden</p>

<p>Anglosphere:  <span class="caps">UK,</span> Australia, Canada, <span class="caps">NZ, </span>various islands</p>

<p>Monarchy takes the symbolic and identity element out of democratic politics and lodges it somewhere off to the side.  A monarch is a source of stability in a a crisis.  There are lots of reasons to want to have a reasonably well-behaved monarch with strictly limtited powers on hand.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/09/04/rose-restoration/comment-page-1/#comment-385293</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Hadn&#039;t read that. It&#039;s quite a twist in ongoing events. Keep us posted on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Hadn&#8217;t read that. It&#8217;s quite a twist in ongoing events. Keep us posted on that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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