Waterboarding: Viable interrogation technique? Or simply torture? Christopher Hitchens put his money where his mouth is and had himself waterboarded by the US military.
This is a great stunt and you gotta give Hitch credit for volunteering. However I don’t think experiential “evidence” alone can solve this debate. Thoughts?
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Curzon added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 11:35 amBrave man, considering that he did put his money where his extraordinarily large mouth is.
Did Hitch change his mind afterwards? He certainly seemed to imply that, but ultimately perhaps didn’t have the courage to say “I was wrong”...
Mitch H. added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 4:48 pmThey weren’t active military. Sounds like some kind of independent contractor with a training specialization. He was kind of unprecise about the exact details, perhaps because the anti-torture laws might be a bit harsh regardless of waiver signatures and the like.
Jesus Reyes added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 4:51 pmFinally, somebody waterboarded who indisputable deserves it. Interestingly, he’s clearly relieved by his habeas corpus. I suspect that his “confession” is about as valuable as John McCain’s was.
JT added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 6:26 pmI like Hitchens.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/
Johnson added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 6:58 pm“However I don’t think experiential “evidence” alone can solve this debate. Thoughts?”
If this is not evidence, then nothing is evidence.
Soob added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 10:23 pmInteresting but I expect the experience is hardly complete when you know the guys doing it aren’t going to kill you.
jim added these pithy words on 03 Jul 08 at 10:42 pmI think real torture, by definition, is something you wouldn’t voluntarily undergo just to write an article about it.
Phil added these pithy words on 04 Jul 08 at 5:29 amA group calling themselves Stop Journalists from Waterboarding Themselves has been created because of what Hitchens did. (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/07/sjfwt.html) Of course this group looks like its made up of conservatives. They commit torture, but try to cover it up or call it enhanced interogation techniques. Now that it has emerged that it is torture, they claim only a few people have waterboarded (aka tortured). It has also come out that we have used torture techniques created by Mao’s communist government during the 50’s to elisit false confessions.
R. Elgin added these pithy words on 04 Jul 08 at 2:08 pmNo “soob”, it is effective because it is agonizing and is torture by any definition of the word.
If we Americans have the greatest form of government in the world, why do we need to stoop to torture when it is a war of minds we are engaged in, which requires different tools?
Soob added these pithy words on 04 Jul 08 at 4:22 pm“No “soob”, it is effective because it is agonizing and is torture by any definition of the word.”
Yep, I’m sure it is agonizing. But I’ll bet the poor bastard who hasn’t pre-arranged the whole deal for a news article suffers a tad more. That was my point, R. Elgin.
lirelou added these pithy words on 06 Jul 08 at 4:41 amWaterboarding may not be “torture” in the vein of Torquemada’s Inquisitorial techniques, but I’d bet that it qualifies as “cruel and unusual punishment” within the meaning of the U.S. Constitution. The ringer being that, as the suspects have not been tried at the time such measures are applied, then it is not legally “punishment”. McCain is right, such practices do not belong in the armory of U.S. interrogation techniques.
mememonkey added these pithy words on 07 Jul 08 at 5:16 amThey stopped about 5 minutes too early for this to have accomplished any good.
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