Comments on: The Faroese and Tribalization http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:40:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Michael http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384505 Michael Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:41:53 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384505 You didn't mention what Denmark and the Faeroe's economic relationship is. If the latter is dependent on the former, tough times may drive the Danes to take the Faeroese pretensions of independence seriously and give them the real thing. You didn’t mention what Denmark and the Faeroe’s economic relationship is. If the latter is dependent on the former, tough times may drive the Danes to take the Faeroese pretensions of independence seriously and give them the real thing.

]]> By: von Kaufman-Turkestansky http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384402 von Kaufman-Turkestansky Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:08:11 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384402 Curzon, of course you have hit upon what is probably part of the "missing ingredients" I referred to, although it may be more than that also. The Czech-Slovak break happened in the context of an integrating Europe; and that backdrop is probably part of what made Montenegro go as easily as it seems; although in the somewhat "velvety" Serbia and Montenegro case there is something else at play so I think the problem is still open. Curzon, of course you have hit upon what is probably part of the “missing ingredients” I referred to, although it may be more than that also. The Czech-Slovak break happened in the context of an integrating Europe; and that backdrop is probably part of what made Montenegro go as easily as it seems; although in the somewhat “velvety” Serbia and Montenegro case there is something else at play so I think the problem is still open.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384380 Curzon Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:07:21 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384380 vK-T, without denying anything you said, I wonder on a side note if the Czech-Slovak break would have been so easy had the European Community not have been so developed? I think that in principle, most of Europe had already embraced European community, and the imminent future of the EU has made the peaceful break-ups we've seen in Europe all the more easier. Notice that similar communities trying to separate in places such as China, Thailand, Pakistan, etc., and other nations that are still in the "Nationalism" stage are putting down insurrections with violence. vK-T, without denying anything you said, I wonder on a side note if the Czech-Slovak break would have been so easy had the European Community not have been so developed? I think that in principle, most of Europe had already embraced European community, and the imminent future of the EU has made the peaceful break-ups we’ve seen in Europe all the more easier. Notice that similar communities trying to separate in places such as China, Thailand, Pakistan, etc., and other nations that are still in the “Nationalism” stage are putting down insurrections with violence.

]]> By: Joe Jones http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384375 Joe Jones Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:52:11 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384375 By "one way or the other," you mean nationalism or globalization? Why not go the Singaporean route and pick both? If people are really better off together it shouldn't be a stretch for them to forge some sort of common national identity, especially if the government gives the minority language and culture enough concessions to survive. By “one way or the other,” you mean nationalism or globalization? Why not go the Singaporean route and pick both? If people are really better off together it shouldn’t be a stretch for them to forge some sort of common national identity, especially if the government gives the minority language and culture enough concessions to survive.

]]> By: Oliver http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384373 Oliver Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:00:18 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384373 Tribalization is made possible primarily by the absence of imperialism. If defense were a valid concern they'd never choose to break away from the motherland. Tribalization is made possible primarily by the absence of imperialism. If defense were a valid concern they’d never choose to break away from the motherland.

]]> By: von Kaufman-Turkestansky http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384369 von Kaufman-Turkestansky Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:01:37 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/07/01/tribalization-and-the-faroese-dilemma/#comment-384369 "Tribal"-style breakups are not necessarily conflicted even in poor economic situations - Czechoslovakia was not a rich country at the time of the Velvet Divorce in 1993. The 2006 break up of Serbia and Montenegro went relatively smoothly too. The USSR didn't break up smoothly, but considering its size, history and complexity, one has to wonder if things could not have gone much worse than they did in the event. This points to a missing element to create conflict in this kind of breakup. Even in an economic downturn, I doubt that this special ingredient is there in the Denmark/Faroe Islands case. Finally, regarding help or hurting the countries: ultimately the reasons for "tribal" breakups are not economic, even though economics can be cited. Slovakia and the Czech republic were probably not dragging each other down, even though this argument was used at the time. They just didn't want to be one country, even if later they joined one European Union. “Tribal”-style breakups are not necessarily conflicted even in poor economic situations – Czechoslovakia was not a rich country at the time of the Velvet Divorce in 1993. The 2006 break up of Serbia and Montenegro went relatively smoothly too. The USSR didn’t break up smoothly, but considering its size, history and complexity, one has to wonder if things could not have gone much worse than they did in the event.

This points to a missing element to create conflict in this kind of breakup. Even in an economic downturn, I doubt that this special ingredient is there in the Denmark/Faroe Islands case.

Finally, regarding help or hurting the countries: ultimately the reasons for “tribal” breakups are not economic, even though economics can be cited. Slovakia and the Czech republic were probably not dragging each other down, even though this argument was used at the time. They just didn’t want to be one country, even if later they joined one European Union.

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