Comments on: The occupation and your job http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:54:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: ron patterson http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383526 ron patterson Sat, 03 May 2008 00:14:25 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383526 Seerov your post is nonsense!!! No evidence of mass starvation ! Seerov your post is nonsense No evidence of mass starvation !

]]> By: SEEROV http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383454 SEEROV Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:56:26 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383454 What people are missing about the German occupation is the brutality we inflicted on the German people. We literally fire bombed whole cities to ash in Germany. After the war, the US starved another 3 million Germans including 1 million POW's. In fact, Patton refused to starve the Germans in his sector and he had an "accident." The biggest book burning in Germany happened after the war. If anyone even whistled the Horst Wessel song they went away. Contrast this with Iraq, where people still have pictures of Saddam in their homes. If a German had been found with a picture of Hitler, he would of went to jail. American soldiers also took advantage of German women in their starving state by pimping them out and giving them food for sex. They referred to this as "liberating" them. The whole German nation was humiliated. The Russian's raped German girls for sport. I'm not sure if the US could get away with these activities today? The type of brutality and humiliation required to really stop the insurgency is just not possible. If we pulled 1000 Iraqis in the street and shot them for every American killed, we could stop this insurgency fast. But with modern telecommunications and political correctness this isn't an option anymore. Now we have to come up with resource draining concepts that put our soldiers in dangerous and precarious situations, so not to "offend" anyone. What people are missing about the German occupation is the brutality we inflicted on the German people. We literally fire bombed whole cities to ash in Germany. After the war, the US starved another 3 million Germans including 1 million POW’s. In fact, Patton refused to starve the Germans in his sector and he had an “accident.” The biggest book burning in Germany happened after the war. If anyone even whistled the Horst Wessel song they went away.

Contrast this with Iraq, where people still have pictures of Saddam in their homes. If a German had been found with a picture of Hitler, he would of went to jail. American soldiers also took advantage of German women in their starving state by pimping them out and giving them food for sex. They referred to this as “liberating” them. The whole German nation was humiliated. The Russian’s raped German girls for sport.

I’m not sure if the US could get away with these activities today? The type of brutality and humiliation required to really stop the insurgency is just not possible. If we pulled 1000 Iraqis in the street and shot them for every American killed, we could stop this insurgency fast.

But with modern telecommunications and political correctness this isn’t an option anymore. Now we have to come up with resource draining concepts that put our soldiers in dangerous and precarious situations, so not to “offend” anyone.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383442 Chirol Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:19:35 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383442 bristlecone: LOL! bristlecone: LOL!

]]> By: bristlecone http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383439 bristlecone Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:01:54 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383439 Germany is a quagmire - we've been there for over 60 years! We must withdraw. Germany is a quagmire – we’ve been there for over 60 years! We must withdraw.

]]> By: ElamBend http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383437 ElamBend Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:38:38 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383437 YH - You can get most of Capra's other stuff on dvd, I have a whole box set of them. He does a good job of using the Nazi's propaganda against them. My Russian-born fiance finds the pro-Russian one amusing (it glosses over the pact between Germany and the USSR). The one about Japan displays the racialism from both sides. Worth watching. YH - You can get most of Capra’s other stuff on dvd, I have a whole box set of them. He does a good job of using the Nazi’s propaganda against them. My Russian-born fiance finds the pro-Russian one amusing (it glosses over the pact between Germany and the USSR). The one about Japan displays the racialism from both sides.
Worth watching.

]]> By: Aceface http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383435 Aceface Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:35:40 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383435 I have to agree with Chirol here. Iraq war and occupation totally lack the legitimacy of World War 2 victory over Japan and Germany. And Nazi resistance under occupation portrayed here was a creation of paranoid shared both by the Nazis and Allies. Only Soviet Union had pursued such propaganda driven occupation and they build up DDR,the not-so-better-half of Germany. I have to agree with Chirol here.
Iraq war and occupation totally lack the legitimacy of World War 2 victory over Japan and Germany.
And Nazi resistance under occupation portrayed here was a creation of paranoid shared both by the Nazis and Allies.
Only Soviet Union had pursued such propaganda driven occupation and they build up DDR,the not-so-better-half of Germany.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383430 Chirol Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:07:08 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383430 Interesting but shameless propaganda. I particularly take offense to the insulting way Bismarck, one of history's greatest statesmen, is portrayed. Also, the "Deutschland Ueber Alles" phrase has been misused for so long its incredible. It was originally written as a song in the late 1800s to inspire German people in the then dozens of tiny states, to unite into one greater Germany. It had nothing to do with expansion or empire, but rather to think of a unified German, above your own immediate little state. Remember, Germany only unified in 1871. Of course this is nothing more than a propaganda film, which in retrospect, is silly and relative to its time, completely understandable. It does make me worry though, as someone who has spent tiem all over the Middle East, to hear the same things about the region and Islam. However, on a side note, if I were making a film for US soldiers today fighting in Afghanistan, I'd warn them about the Germans as "radical peace mongers" not to be trusted to fight! =) How times have changed. Interesting but shameless propaganda. I particularly take offense to the insulting way Bismarck, one of history’s greatest statesmen, is portrayed.

Also, the “Deutschland Ueber Alles” phrase has been misused for so long its incredible. It was originally written as a song in the late 1800s to inspire German people in the then dozens of tiny states, to unite into one greater Germany. It had nothing to do with expansion or empire, but rather to think of a unified German, above your own immediate little state. Remember, Germany only unified in 1871.

Of course this is nothing more than a propaganda film, which in retrospect, is silly and relative to its time, completely understandable.

It does make me worry though, as someone who has spent tiem all over the Middle East, to hear the same things about the region and Islam.

However, on a side note, if I were making a film for US soldiers today fighting in Afghanistan, I’d warn them about the Germans as “radical peace mongers” not to be trusted to fight! =) How times have changed.

]]> By: DJ http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383429 DJ Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:41:53 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2008/04/28/the-occupation-and-your-job/#comment-383429 Thanks, That was amazing film making. I am a little shocked by the heavy handedness of the propaganda. Capra knew how to effect people with film. You are right that the German situation is very relevant to the current one. I am sorry we did not remember these lessons. Thanks,

That was amazing film making. I am a little shocked by the heavy handedness of the propaganda. Capra knew how to effect people with film. You are right that the German situation is very relevant to the current one. I am sorry we did not remember these lessons.

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