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	<title>Comments on: Congratulations&#160;Kosovo</title>
	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kosovo : Serbia :: Quebec : Canada, how?</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382293</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kosovo : Serbia :: Quebec : Canada, how?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382293</guid>
		<description>[...] remains silent on the recognition of Kosovo&#8217;s self-declared independence. Prime Minister Harper is in a tricky position here. Canada has its own minority that could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382277</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382277</guid>
		<description>Congratulations to Kosovo on your independence--from chicago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Kosovo on your independence&#8212;from chicago</p>
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		<title>By: P. Aeneas</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382265</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Aeneas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382265</guid>
		<description>"My own comment is that the celebrators do not seem to have heard that they have a new flag…."

"No chance at all. In fact, it’s expressly forbidden by the EU, UN and by the Kosovars themselves. It was part of the Ahtisaari Plann iirc. Besides, although both Albanian, they now have very different national experiences and Kosovars would most likely not want to merge but to be free to rule themselves. That’s what its all about"

Kosovo may have a new, UN-inspired flag (blue, yellow and plenty of stars...  remind anyone of Bosnia?), but I think it's pertinent to look at the people on the ground in these situations. Is this really Kosovar nationalism, based on a geographical region subject to specific circumstances, or is it a more familiar nationalism, based on ethnic affiliation? 

I am reminded of Austria and Germany, which have had a comparatively long history of separate statehood. This separation has been vindicated in the long run, but until fairly recently (this past century) this has been in dispute, especially among the kinds of nationalists who go around declaring new countries. Personally, I would be very cautious in trying to predict what course these states will take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My own comment is that the celebrators do not seem to have heard that they have a new flag&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No chance at all. In fact, it&#8217;s expressly forbidden by the EU, UN and by the Kosovars themselves. It was part of the Ahtisaari Plann iirc. Besides, although both Albanian, they now have very different national experiences and Kosovars would most likely not want to merge but to be free to rule themselves. That&#8217;s what its all about&#8221;</p>
<p>Kosovo may have a new, UN-inspired flag (blue, yellow and plenty of stars&#8230;  remind anyone of Bosnia?), but I think it&#8217;s pertinent to look at the people on the ground in these situations. Is this really Kosovar nationalism, based on a geographical region subject to specific circumstances, or is it a more familiar nationalism, based on ethnic affiliation?</p>
<p>I am reminded of Austria and Germany, which have had a comparatively long history of separate statehood. This separation has been vindicated in the long run, but until fairly recently (this past century) this has been in dispute, especially among the kinds of nationalists who go around declaring new countries. Personally, I would be very cautious in trying to predict what course these states will take.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382253</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382253</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Logically, the northern Serb area of Kosovo around Mitrovica should remain attached to Serbia. Likewise the Serbian province of Bosnia should be attached to Serbia proper.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A territorially equivalent chunk of Serbia proper to Kosovo's east is majority Kosovar/Albanian.  A land-swap would be possible, but currently Serbia does not think there is any state to swap with, so you need to get over that hurdle first.</description>
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<blockquote>Logically, the northern Serb area of Kosovo around Mitrovica should remain attached to Serbia. Likewise the Serbian province of Bosnia should be attached to Serbia proper.</p></blockquote>
<p>A territorially equivalent chunk of Serbia proper to Kosovo&#8217;s east is majority Kosovar/Albanian.  A land-swap would be possible, but currently Serbia does not think there is any state to swap with, so you need to get over that hurdle first.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382252</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382252</guid>
		<description>It probably have no effect on anything.But Japan is thinking about recognizing Kosovo in the near future,but will do so when EU does.The decision was made in cabinet meeting today.
Japan is already the third largest donator in financial aid there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It probably have no effect on anything.But Japan is thinking about recognizing Kosovo in the near future,but will do so when EU does.The decision was made in cabinet meeting today.<br />
Japan is already the third largest donator in financial aid there.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Russel Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382251</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Russel Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382251</guid>
		<description>Mark: Do you REALLY believe the world would be a better place if CSA had achieved independence? I certainly don't.
My own comment is that the celebrators do not seem to have heard that they have a new flag....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: Do you <span class="caps">REALLY</span> believe the world would be a better place if <span class="caps">CSA</span> had achieved independence? I certainly don&#8217;t.<br />
My own comment is that the celebrators do not seem to have heard that they have a new flag&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382249</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382249</guid>
		<description>Logically, the northern Serb area of Kosovo around Mitrovica should remain attached to Serbia. Likewise the Serbian province of Bosnia should be attached to Serbia proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logically, the northern Serb area of Kosovo around Mitrovica should remain attached to Serbia. Likewise the Serbian province of Bosnia should be attached to Serbia proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382246</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382246</guid>
		<description>Thanks for that link.  I wonder how long before Kosovo becomes an EU candidate country like Turkey, Croatia and neighboring Macedonia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link.  I wonder how long before Kosovo becomes an EU candidate country like Turkey, Croatia and neighboring Macedonia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382245</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382245</guid>
		<description>Curzon: No chance at all. In fact, it's expressly forbidden by the EU, UN and by the Kosovars themselves. It was part of the Ahtisaari Plann iirc.

Besides, although both Albanian, they now have very different national experiences and Kosovars would most likely not want to merge but to be free to rule themselves. That's what its all about

Read the full text of their independence

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/17/news/Kosovo-Independence-Text.php

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curzon: No chance at all. In fact, it&#8217;s expressly forbidden by the EU, UN and by the Kosovars themselves. It was part of the Ahtisaari Plann iirc.</p>
<p>Besides, although both Albanian, they now have very different national experiences and Kosovars would most likely not want to merge but to be free to rule themselves. That&#8217;s what its all about</p>
<p>Read the full text of their independence</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/17/news/Kosovo-Independence-Text.php" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.iht.com');">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/17/news/Kosovo-Independence-Text.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382243</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382243</guid>
		<description>A few comments, first to DJ: 

"Now Serbia is a little land locked country with little comparative advantages."  As it was before independence of Kosovo, no?

"I would like to see the people supporting this support Tibet, Xinjiang and a whole lot of other stuff."  Well, I think we support them all, for what it's worth.  But political and territorial independence for small ethnic minorities in larger states only comes after either genocide or breakdown of authority on behalf of that ruling state.  China has a long way to go before it approaches that.  

Zuru: why??

Chirol: see any chance of Albania and Kosovo merging into a single state??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few comments, first to DJ:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now Serbia is a little land locked country with little comparative advantages.&#8221;  As it was before independence of Kosovo, no?</p>
<p>&#8220;I would like to see the people supporting this support Tibet, Xinjiang and a whole lot of other stuff.&#8221;  Well, I think we support them all, for what it&#8217;s worth.  But political and territorial independence for small ethnic minorities in larger states only comes after either genocide or breakdown of authority on behalf of that ruling state.  China has a long way to go before it approaches that.</p>
<p>Zuru: why??</p>
<p>Chirol: see any chance of Albania and Kosovo merging into a single state??</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382230</guid>
		<description>Too bad the fedgov didn't feel this way when the CSA tried the same thing (in the 1860s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the fedgov didn&#8217;t feel this way when the <span class="caps">CSA</span> tried the same thing (in the 1860s).</p>
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		<title>By: shyspeak.net &#183; Kosovo Declares its Independence</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382228</link>
		<dc:creator>shyspeak.net &#183; Kosovo Declares its Independence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382228</guid>
		<description>[...] ComingAnarchy: Report with photos of a Kosavar independence celebration in Stuttgart. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ComingAnarchy: Report with photos of a Kosavar independence celebration in Stuttgart. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382226</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382226</guid>
		<description>The truth is that Kosovo isn't as comparable to other breakaway regions as Russia and others like to believe. The problem is that in the press, it plays as such when those who've studied or followed the conflicts see the deeper differences. 

On top of that, the real issue not being discussed is the inability and dysfunction of the UN. Both the UN and Contact group agreed unanimously on the Ahtisaari plan for supervised independence for Kosovo after years of fruitless negotiations. In the end, the UN had to be avoided because of the broken Security Council system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that Kosovo isn&#8217;t as comparable to other breakaway regions as Russia and others like to believe. The problem is that in the press, it plays as such when those who&#8217;ve studied or followed the conflicts see the deeper differences.</p>
<p>On top of that, the real issue not being discussed is the inability and dysfunction of the UN. Both the UN and Contact group agreed unanimously on the Ahtisaari plan for supervised independence for Kosovo after years of fruitless negotiations. In the end, the UN had to be avoided because of the broken Security Council system.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382225</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382225</guid>
		<description>Yep, talk about opening a can of worms. I would like to see the people supporting this support Tibet, Xinjiang and a whole lot of other stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, talk about opening a can of worms. I would like to see the people supporting this support Tibet, Xinjiang and a whole lot of other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuru</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382224</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382224</guid>
		<description>Spain won´t recognise Kosovo...Guess why!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain won&#180;t recognise Kosovo&#8230;Guess why!</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382219</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382219</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the response reading around the web right now and a lot of Europeans cannot seem to come up with good reasons for this except that the US/EU made a promise back in the 1990s. 

The only people this may help is the Kosovars, the Kosovar Albanians to be exact. 

So now when will the Republika Srpska to declare independence from Bosnia? Or the Serb population breaking off fro Kosovo. 

ahhhh the Multiculturalism.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response reading around the web right now and a lot of Europeans cannot seem to come up with good reasons for this except that the US/EU made a promise back in the 1990s.</p>
<p>The only people this may help is the Kosovars, the Kosovar Albanians to be exact.</p>
<p>So now when will the Republika Srpska to declare independence from Bosnia? Or the Serb population breaking off fro Kosovo.</p>
<p>ahhhh the Multiculturalism&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: fabius_maximus_cunctator</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382217</link>
		<dc:creator>fabius_maximus_cunctator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382217</guid>
		<description>dj

Chirol is probably better placed to answer this than I am. However, if you want fair - not objective, but just fair - info on this, serb expats are not the ideal people to get information from. I did follow the conflict at the time and have no doubt that the Kosovars had a real grievance. What is more I cannot imagine how they could have been kept in some union with Serbia without even more brutal repression.  

Of course, the EU will have its work cut out now. Lots of hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dj</p>
<p>Chirol is probably better placed to answer this than I am. However, if you want fair &#8211; not objective, but just fair &#8211; info on this, serb expats are not the ideal people to get information from. I did follow the conflict at the time and have no doubt that the Kosovars had a real grievance. What is more I cannot imagine how they could have been kept in some union with Serbia without even more brutal repression.</p>
<p>Of course, the EU will have its work cut out now. Lots of hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382216</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382216</guid>
		<description>I talked to some Serbians here in California and they were really upset about this. A lot of stuff that is important to them is in that territory. Now Serbia is a little land locked country with little comparative advantages. I don't even think the Bush admin really had a strong stance on this and wa just carrying on with old policy. We should not have been there, the "ethnic cleansing" claims when under scrutiny are not as strong as they used to be. Do any of you guys know if that is true or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked to some Serbians here in California and they were really upset about this. A lot of stuff that is important to them is in that territory. Now Serbia is a little land locked country with little comparative advantages. I don&#8217;t even think the Bush admin really had a strong stance on this and wa just carrying on with old policy. We should not have been there, the &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221; claims when under scrutiny are not as strong as they used to be. Do any of you guys know if that is true or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382214</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/02/17/congratulations-kosovo/#comment-382214</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/17/kosovo-day.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Congrats, Kosovo&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
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