Through experience with criminal elements and based on my political philisophy, I am generally a red-blooded pro-law enforcement citizen. But I also fully understand and appreciate the fact that American police culture is dispicable in the way it regularly interacts with ordinary citizens engaged in no criminal act, with reckless abandon of safety and basic common manners.
It’s thus with great shock yet little surprise that I saw this story and saw the video that comes with it. The video below shows a deputy dumping quadriplegic Brian Sterner out of his wheelchair and onto the floor while she is booking him into a local Florida jail. The tape also shows the deputy then searching Sterner as he lay on the floor.
The deputy in question has been suspended without pay, and the others who watched the event with no protest put on administrative leave, but while a public apology has been issued through the media, no one has spologized to Sterner—which seems even more absurd in that he is at present only asking for a change in the system, and has not yet filed a lawsuit.
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Arcane added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 1:12 amBut I also fully understand and appreciate the fact that American police culture is dispicable in the way it regularly interacts with ordinary citizens engaged in no criminal act, with reckless abandon of safety and basic common manners.
I’m sorry, but this is an absolutely absurd statement. The vast, vast majority of police officers are very well mannered, highly trained, and intelligent actors who have an incredible level of tolerance despite having to deal with uncompromising and almost inhuman elements of society on a daily basis. The emphasis they put on safety is regularly so extreme that the officer is highly disadvantaged against his foes when forced into combat. Don’t do an Abu Ghraib and use a tiny incident to define a whole population.
Curzon added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 2:05 amArcane, I appreciate your concerns. However, the incident contained in this post is not the basis for my assertion but yet another incident that leaves me unsurprised. I have personally experienced numerous unpleasant encounters with police officers in non-crime scene situations in several states across the United States, and when compared to international standards across the developed world, I think the US is in dire need of improvement.
I hope you appreciate this post is not based on a liberal knee-jerk anti-police mindset, but experience that has dampened my philosophical sympathy and support of police officers. Put it one way, I’m a conservative who has been mugged by reality.
Alfred Russel Wallace added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 2:46 amThis is an appalling example – and the officers should indeed be removed from duty. Alas we rarely hear about the other side, when police officers wait for hours with motorists awaiting rescue on snowy nights…
The best we can do is praise individuals when we can, and fire officers who misbehave so badly…
And the best THEY can do is apologize to this hapless victim… It would be really disappointing to learn that this police system was advised not to apologize by its lawyers…
dj added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 3:53 amSo all cops behave like this?
TDL added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 5:35 amAll cops do not behave like this. The vast majority of police officers do not behave like this. the vast majority of police officers, however, stand aside and allow the small minority that do behave like this. Competition needs to be allowed within the policing industry, because police departments are becoming increasingly militarized and indifferent to the communities they serve.
Regards,
TDL
Curzon added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 7:05 amDJ & TDL: I think I echo TDL’s comments, in that the police culture tolerates this behavior. The other cops didn’t help the deputy throw Sterner to the floor, but I also notice how they didn’t even blink, let alone try and stop him. This gets to what I talk about the “culture” of law enforcement in America.
I’m not sure I agree that “competition” is needed, but I would like oversight. On that note, see my recent post on the TSA.
Mike added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 1:16 pmWhere is the public outcry of RACISM and HATE CRIME that would be on the front page of every newspaper in the civilized world if that video showed a black paraplegic being dumped out of his wheelchair by a white deputy???? Oh, that’s right, it’s not racism if the victim is white….
Seth added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 1:26 pmNot much will come of this the police in Florida KNOW that to a large extent they are ABOVE THE LAW .
The DA is USELESS and the state GVNR and local Mayor in that town wont do much if anything at all just speeches and “outrage” while on tv.
Floridas police has been in steady decline for yrs. If it bothers you and you live in Florida vote AGAINST EVERY political incumbent as they are not doing a thing and the police abuse seems to grow monthly.
TDL added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 6:12 pmHere is another question that has to be asked: is police corruption/incompetence growing or is police corruption/incompetence being more effectively exposed? My argument for competition stems from stems from the fact that more oversight yields little if anything. This is the experience of a Chicagoan, so the experience may vary from locale to locale. Alex Tabarrok has written and researched extensively on the topic of police/security competition. Radley Balko has also written extensively on “no knock” raids and the militarization of police; Radley Balko continually notes how more oversight and pledges to act against police corruption/incompetence typically results in minimal outcomes. The vested interests (unions, politicians, & prosecutors) will play a role in oversight and water down in order to minimize their loss of power and job security (this is my theory.)
Regards,
TDLP.S. Relevant links: Radly Balko at http://www.theagitator.com/
Alex Tabarrok writes at MarginalRevolution.com and this is a search on his blog specific to “police”:
http://www.google.com/search?q=police&btnG=%C2%BB&domains=www.marginalrevolution.com&sitesearch=www.marginalrevolution.comLastly, apologies for the long comment.
Michael Hancock added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 6:39 pm@Curzon:
And when compared to international standards across the developed world, I think the US is in dire need of improvement.
I teach English at an ESL school, and I get students from all over the developed and ‘developing’ world, and they are universally in agreement the police in the United States treat people more fairly than in their native countries. You might think, But hey, these are foreigners, of course they get special treatment.That’s the main point—in some countries, the foreigner is a target for police attention, if not improper action. Now, if you want to quote statistics that prove US police are worse than “most developing countries,” I will change my stance. But I think that you are still married to the idea of the well-meaning British bobby facing crime with nothing but an iron will and a billy club.
Also, compared to international standards everyone country’s police fares poorly, as standards are never the norm.
And when you consider the developING world, the US police are god-sent angels and avengers. Dropping a helpless handicapped man on the floor wouldn’t be worthy of complaint, and there are countries where murders and wrongful killings aren’t even reported for FEAR of the police exacting bribes, punishments, and unfair arrests.
I’m not defending the US Police directly, as you were not attacking them directly. I think we both agree that in general, you would not tell an American child to avoid asking the police for help. You would not tell a young woman to avoid the police if she is attacked or raped. You would not tell a man in trouble to stay away from the police lest they misunderstand his problem.
The police work. Some of them are assholes and vindictively cruel power-hungry maniacs. Well, some of us are assholes. and v.c.p.h.ms. What are you going to do about it? Make sure they only become airline pilots and restaurant managers? I think they have acted well in response to this—suspension without pay is a serious punishment for one stupid, stupid act.
To be the devil’s advocate for the deputy [forgive me]—People make mistakes, and I can personally believe that a person can anger me to the point of indirect violence [like pushing out of a chair]. They were having a conversation, and if this person is humiliating you and being extremely cruel, it doesn’t explain her actions, but I could be led to believe that this was the worst thing she has ever done, and not a daily, weekly, or monthly occurrence. Punishment should not exceed the mistake or crime.
Jim added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 10:43 pmHas anyone considered the fact that hiring standards have been lowered in order to obtain a more “Politically Correct” cross section of police officers? Never mind that the person may be less qualified than hoped for, departments have to meet quotas.
Curzon added these pithy words on 14 Feb 08 at 11:36 pmMichael: thanks for the comment, all appreciated and understood. Point well taken.
I would only add one comment—how police or any state military or enforcement authority treat foreigners comes both ways. Generally, if you look like a businessman or tourist, you are heading for better the average treatment, especially if you give off the impression of being somewhat lost or befuddled. If you give the impression of bum or terrorist, you are likely to recieve decidedly worse treatment.
For me, without putting too much emphasis on my Victorian tendencies, politeness is key. Cops would boost their image with the general public by starting with a little less needless aggression.
gelvey added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 12:47 amThis is my first visit to this particular site. I have enjoyed it and find it a large step above much of the dribble I find elsewhere.
I was involved in law enforcement in 1960-1977 and saw many changes in procedure in that time. Some of these procedures were necessary and good. Others, in my opinion, were designed make the public “feel good” about their police agencies.
I gave up police work after a friend was shot to death by a 14 year old juvenile with no previous history of violent behavior. This situation occurred in an apartment complex. A previous killing of a police officer by a juvenile occurred when the officer pulled over a reportedly stolen vehicle. The suspect, 13 years old, thought he had to kill the officer or the officer would kill him. Sounded to me like a lawyers lame attempt to set up a self-defense defense.
I left law enforcement because I couldn’t be sure that I wouldn’t kill some kid that aimed a gun at me.
In addition, I thought the unions took all,or most, of the fellowship out of being the good guys. It became just another job like a plumber or electrician which my grandfather and father had been.
On the subject of politeness, I was always polite to the lawabiding public. I found it difficult to be polite though to child molesters, wife beaters, thieves, rapists and others.
But then I did quit. Maybe the deputy featured in the above film clip should think about quitting. With the police unions of today she should be able to get some kind of stress pension which is what many officers today are
waiting for.
Arcane added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 1:24 amI have personally experienced numerous unpleasant encounters with police officers in non-crime scene situations in several states across the United States, and when compared to international standards across the developed world, I think the US is in dire need of improvement.
Personal experience means nothing to me. The vast majority of people who have personal experiences with the police have such experiences because they did something wrong. They’re not going to like it, but too bad. Maybe you should elaborate some more.
Competition needs to be allowed within the policing industry, because police departments are becoming increasingly militarized and indifferent to the communities they serve.
I don’t get this idea that’s popular among those with anti-police sentiments that the police are becoming “increasingly militarized”. If the police are becoming that way, it’s because the forces which they are up against are so well armed that military tactics and weapons are necessary in order for situations to be successfully resolved.
Here is another question that has to be asked: is police corruption/incompetence growing or is police corruption/incompetence being more effectively exposed?
None of the above. Just in this time of media sensationalism, stories like this are simply getting more press. People like stories like these because they want to reinforce their own displeasure with the police.
Curzon added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 2:28 amPersonal experience means nothing to me… Maybe you should elaborate some more.
Charming. I’ll relate one set of comparisons which are pretty typical in my experience in engaging police officers in the three countries noted below.
- Bury St. Edmund, UK (Sept, 2007): I am in a car looking for parking at a cathedral in a complex old town with lots of curved one-way streets. I apparently drive the wrong way down an abandoned street that is apparently one such one-way street. A police officer on foot flags me down, asks me if I am lost and gives me a tourist map.
- Koto-ku, Tokyo, Japan (July, 2005): The sole on my leather shoes has come loose while I am walking on the street and I ask the officer at the local “police box” for the nearest place to get shoe repairs. He calls the nearest shoe stores to ask if they do repairs, and on the third try finds a store that does repairs on the spot. He draws me a map and I am on my way.
- Manhattan, New York, USA (Nov, 2004): I am on foot in New York at around 50th/6th, and it is freezing cold as I look for a building near Lexington and 50th. I know NY OK but had never lived there as of this time, and as the avenue “Lexington” isn’t numbered I don’t know if I should go east or west. I politely ask an officer standing on a curb chewing gum which way, and he says, “What do I look like, the yellow pages?” He does not answer my question.
That’s enough on this topic from me, you’re welcome to have the last word.
TDL added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 3:09 amArcane,
I could not disagree with you more. The DoD is currently funding the acquisition of armored vehicles for any municipality that wants one. Armored vehicles are not necessary for peacekeeping in a developed nation. Small towns are now fielding SWAT teams, units that use military assault tactics to take down violent targets. SWAT teams are necessary in rare cases and use of these tactics requires a high level of training, which can be argued is not being provided by the majority of police departments that field SWAT teams. In Virginia, for an example, SWAT are deployed to serve misdemeanor warrants; this is a matter of policy not opinion and it is a dangerous use of this type of element. The use of military tactics, hardware, and high capacity weapons is a sign of militarization. Where are the private armies that justify the acquisition of such tactics and hardware?
As far as media sensationalism; the mainstream media at least, is not reporting on these cases all that often. What is written about these issues has been driven by bloggers, not by an increasingly lazy and indifferent MSM.
Regards,
TDL
Arcane added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 4:00 amManhattan, New York, USA (Nov, 2004): I am on foot in New York at around 50th/6th, and it is freezing cold as I look for a building near Lexington and 50th. I know NY OK but had never lived there as of this time, and as the avenue “Lexington” isn’t numbered I don’t know if I should go east or west. I politely ask an officer standing on a curb chewing gum which way, and he says, “What do I look like, the yellow pages?” He does not answer my question.
Well, that may have more to do with regional sensibilities more than anything else. For every negative experience you’ve had with police officers, I can offer a positive one that I’ve had.
The DoD is currently funding the acquisition of armored vehicles for any municipality that wants one.
Ha! What evidence do you have for that? The DOD can’t afford to purchase vehicles for police forces… it simply can’t and has other priorities. We can’t even afford to purchase new model combat search and rescue refueling aircraft to replace the 43 year old junkers we have now. The idea that the DOD is just throwing money out at any municipality that wants it is just absurd.
Armored vehicles are not necessary for peacekeeping in a developed nation.
I guess you’ve never read the news stories related to some of the major narcotics stings they’ve been forced to do, or having to crack down on neo-Nazi militias.
Small towns are now fielding SWAT teams, units that use military assault tactics to take down violent targets.
What do you want, a mall security guard to deal with them instead?
WAT teams are necessary in rare cases and use of these tactics requires a high level of training, which can be argued is not being provided by the majority of police departments that field SWAT teams.
What do you know about SWAT teams (which, by the way, are not as prolific as you’re making out… most medium-sized to small towns have SRT duty assignments, but it’s a secondary job). SWAT teams are highly trained and there are dozens of schools for them in the U.S., both public and private. And if you had to Google SRT, then you know nothing of the issue.
In Virginia, for an example, SWAT are deployed to serve misdemeanor warrants; this is a matter of policy not opinion and it is a dangerous use of this type of element.
Example?
The use of military tactics, hardware, and high capacity weapons is a sign of militarization.
And why is this “militarization” happening? It can’t possibly be related to special tasks like having to deal with hostage crises, violent and heavily armed drug groups, and the proliferation of high powered weapons in the hands of thugs, can it?
Where are the private armies that justify the acquisition of such tactics and hardware?
I suggest you visit Los Angeles or Miami or New York or Chicago or Detroit and get a briefing from the police departments there. They will enlighten you.
Arcane added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 4:06 amIn Virginia, for an example, SWAT are deployed to serve misdemeanor warrants; this is a matter of policy not opinion and it is a dangerous use of this type of element.
Wow, I just looked this up. You’re talking about ONE INCIDENT as if it were common practice. You have no clue what you’re talking about… you’re just repeating anarchist propaganda.
Durf added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 7:20 amWell, that may have more to do with regional sensibilities more than anything else.
Yes, it’s not police officers who are assholes, it’s New Yorkers!
ATLien added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 9:32 amArcane, you’re an idiot.
Like the above guy said. Read Radley Balko some time, it’ll open your very much closed eyes.
Like Dallas using SWAT teams to “take down” local poker games at the VFW. Or the lack of ANY simple police work that then results in no-knock warrants on the WRONG houses in the middle of the night. Because someone might be selling a little weed, or better yet, their informant lied (this is the case most often). It’s funny how MAJOR mistakes and assaults that would get “regular” citizens arrested get downplayed and/or not punished at all because they believe they’re somehow above the common law. WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
I’m in a wheelchair, and wish to God this had happened to me, because i would be the richest guy in town. Altho there would be charges, cause if a cop dumped me on the floor after asking me “to stand up”, i’d have attacked her and tried to chew her damn leg off.
ron Patterson added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 1:27 pmWow ! A New Yorker was rude! Wait until the media gets that story!
My brothers BMW was Keyed in Toronto. Probably because of the Illinois plates on his car. At police station was told to get the fuck out of Canada! But I dont think this is indicative of Canadian police or Canadians. This was one rude cop, other police officers there were very polite and symphathized with him. So get a grip!! Cops are people and most are reasonably polite. Could you post the international standards for police behavior in the developed world!? Some examples
British police shoot kill unarmed man on subway!
Canadian police taser suspect who dies.
TDL added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 2:46 pmArcane,
You are right, the DoD is not funding the acquisition of armored vehicles the DHS is. You obviously missed it when I mentioned I am a Chicagoan, born, raised, and live in the city. Chicago has a very fine SWAT team, but no armored vehicles. I really do not have to visit Chicago in order to know what is going on here. Furthermore, in regards to Virginia, if you are referring to the Sal Culosi incident, that is only one incident where some one has died. Furthermore, why do police forces around the country need all these weapons and capabilities when the FBI has been reporting the decline of violent crime nationally for the past 15 years?
Regards,
TDL
gelvey added these pithy words on 15 Feb 08 at 6:21 pmAs they used to say in San Francisco many years ago,”Next time somone hits your sister and steals your car, call a Hippie”. We all know cops can’t do anything anyway. Riggggght!?
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