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	<title>Comments on: The Character of&#160;Japan</title>
	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/</link>
	<description>Speak Victorian, Think Pagan</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381866</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381866</guid>
		<description>Arcane,

It was actually a guy named Morgenthau (I forget if he was the Hans Morgenthau that wrote the IR textbook, probably not) who came up with "plans."  At first, his ideas gathered momentum in the planning process.  Then the term "democracy" crept into the rhetoric, and the focus of thinking on post-war Japan switched from demilitarization to democratization--if the Japanese could safely become democratic, then they could be trusted with an industry, the logic went.  By 1944, that way of thinking became the mainstream.  If you want to debate the symantics of "plan" versus "proposal," though, that's cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arcane,</p>
<p>It was actually a guy named Morgenthau (I forget if he was the Hans Morgenthau that wrote the IR textbook, probably not) who came up with &#8220;plans.&#8221;  At first, his ideas gathered momentum in the planning process.  Then the term &#8220;democracy&#8221; crept into the rhetoric, and the focus of thinking on post-war Japan switched from demilitarization to democratization&#8212;if the Japanese could safely become democratic, then they could be trusted with an industry, the logic went.  By 1944, that way of thinking became the mainstream.  If you want to debate the symantics of &#8220;plan&#8221; versus &#8220;proposal,&#8221; though, that&#8217;s cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcane</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381864</link>
		<dc:creator>Arcane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381864</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The poll reminds me of the DoD’s original plans (circa 1942 or so) to turn Japan into one big farm after the war.&lt;/i&gt;

Those were never "plans," just proposals. There was a similar proposal made for Germany, as well, but it never came to fruition. The government usually has many, many proposals, and media outlets seize upon certain ones and people take them out of context. I would take reports of this being the official policy with a pinch of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The poll reminds me of the DoD&#8217;s original plans (circa 1942 or so) to turn Japan into one big farm after the war.</i></p>
<p>Those were never &#8220;plans,&#8221; just proposals. There was a similar proposal made for Germany, as well, but it never came to fruition. The government usually has many, many proposals, and media outlets seize upon certain ones and people take them out of context. I would take reports of this being the official policy with a pinch of salt.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381850</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381850</guid>
		<description>The poll reminds me of the DoD's original plans (circa 1942 or so) to turn Japan into one big farm after the war.  Imagine what the world would be like if that had happened--though the Korean War would have probably ended the policy right then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll reminds me of the DoD&#8217;s original plans (circa 1942 or so) to turn Japan into one big farm after the war.  Imagine what the world would be like if that had happened&#8212;though the Korean War would have probably ended the policy right then.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381844</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381844</guid>
		<description>Firstly,yours won't be an example and I have tons of examples for counterargument.

Secondly,comparing the polls between Japan and China are meaningless,since Japan has freedom of speech and not so in China.There are too much gap to ignore in quality and diversity of information,the citizens of the two nations can get through main stream media.

Let's just say I believe in Japanese have better environment to have objective ideas on China than vice-versa,And this I am confident without mobilizing any feeling of Japanese superiority over Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly,yours won&#8217;t be an example and I have tons of examples for counterargument.</p>
<p>Secondly,comparing the polls between Japan and China are meaningless,since Japan has freedom of speech and not so in China.There are too much gap to ignore in quality and diversity of information,the citizens of the two nations can get through main stream media.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say I believe in Japanese have better environment to have objective ideas on China than vice-versa,And this I am confident without mobilizing any feeling of Japanese superiority over Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcane</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381843</link>
		<dc:creator>Arcane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381843</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I failed to mention in the last post that the Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region. One thing that reminded me of this recently was the sale of the F-15SK fighter to south Korea. Japan’s premier air superiority fighter is the F-15J. After the South Korean purchase they started belly aching for congress to allow them to purchase the F-22. They had to have the best plane in the region (aside from the US).&lt;/i&gt;

Correlation does not imply causation. What we have here is a coincidence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I failed to mention in the last post that the Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region. One thing that reminded me of this recently was the sale of the F-15SK fighter to south Korea. Japan&#8217;s premier air superiority fighter is the F-15J. After the South Korean purchase they started belly aching for congress to allow them to purchase the F-22. They had to have the best plane in the region (aside from the US).</i></p>
<p>Correlation does not imply causation. What we have here is a coincidence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381842</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381842</guid>
		<description>Maybe Aceface, but after all this is only one example I have at the moment. 

What would shed more light on this situation we are discussing is the same poll above offered in China about Japan and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Aceface, but after all this is only one example I have at the moment.</p>
<p>What would shed more light on this situation we are discussing is the same poll above offered in China about Japan and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381834</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381834</guid>
		<description>"The Japanese were fine with what they had until the SK purchase, then they all the sudden felt they deserved BETTER."

I think the timing is just pure coinsidental.
And your argument seems to my eyes(along with that test flight over Takeshima with the top of ROKAF on F-15K)reveals Korea's inferiority complex to Japan more so than that of Japanese "superiority" over Asians....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Japanese were fine with what they had until the SK purchase, then they all the sudden felt they deserved <span class="caps">BETTER</span>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the timing is just pure coinsidental.<br />
And your argument seems to my eyes(along with that test flight over Takeshima with the top of <span class="caps">ROKAF</span> on F-15K)reveals Korea&#8217;s inferiority complex to Japan more so than that of Japanese &#8220;superiority&#8221; over Asians&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381833</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381833</guid>
		<description>interesting. the result looks even applicable for today, roughly.

however, the survey is flawed and guiding. e.g. it said "The Japanese people do not like war. If they could have the same chance as people in other countries, they would become good citizens of the world ". the second sentence should be truncated or separted into a new question. they are not related.

a better way (assuming there is no agenda behind the surveyor) is to list independent question and allow each person to choose more than one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting. the result looks even applicable for today, roughly.</p>
<p>however, the survey is flawed and guiding. e.g. it said &#8220;The Japanese people do not like war. If they could have the same chance as people in other countries, they would become good citizens of the world &#8220;. the second sentence should be truncated or separted into a new question. they are not related.</p>
<p>a better way (assuming there is no agenda behind the surveyor) is to list independent question and allow each person to choose more than one.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381831</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381831</guid>
		<description>Japan's JASDF is more than adequate to deal with the Chinese right now. 

My point was not that the Koreans posed a threat to Japan but rather Japanese were uncomfortable with Koreans having better equipment. The Japanese were fine with what they had until the SK purchase, then they all the sudden felt they deserved BETTER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan&#8217;s <span class="caps">JASDF</span> is more than adequate to deal with the Chinese right now.</p>
<p>My point was not that the Koreans posed a threat to Japan but rather Japanese were uncomfortable with Koreans having better equipment. The Japanese were fine with what they had until the SK purchase, then they all the sudden felt they deserved <span class="caps">BETTER</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381829</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381829</guid>
		<description>dj:

"Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region"

Perhaps.Since Japan happened to be one of the few nations in the region that was not colonized by the west and had somehow managed to modernized by themselves.
But I wouldn't think that was "character" that had lived on to generations. Take a look into any pre 19th century Chinese or Korean literature.It was Japanese who were described as "barbarians".

I have to take that "Korea's F-15K was the main reason for Japan's quest for F-22" with a grain of salt.
I know that was the way Korea's media had portrayed the issue last spring when I was in Korea. Almost all Korean TV were sending reporters to Kadena air base in Okinawa where F-22 has been posted briefly and the papers like Chosun and Joongang tried every opportunity to alarm Washington.

Japan's procurement of F-15J was in 1976,It is natural to seek for new generation of fighters. Anyway if there was any neighboring air power that had became the factor for Japan's desire to acquire F-22,it was China's SU-27,not Korea's F-15K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dj:</p>
<p>&#8220;Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps.Since Japan happened to be one of the few nations in the region that was not colonized by the west and had somehow managed to modernized by themselves.<br />
But I wouldn&#8217;t think that was &#8220;character&#8221; that had lived on to generations. Take a look into any pre 19th century Chinese or Korean literature.It was Japanese who were described as &#8220;barbarians&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have to take that &#8220;Korea&#8217;s F-15K was the main reason for Japan&#8217;s quest for F-22&#8221; with a grain of salt.<br />
I know that was the way Korea&#8217;s media had portrayed the issue last spring when I was in Korea. Almost all Korean TV were sending reporters to Kadena air base in Okinawa where F-22 has been posted briefly and the papers like Chosun and Joongang tried every opportunity to alarm Washington.</p>
<p>Japan&#8217;s procurement of F-15J was in 1976,It is natural to seek for new generation of fighters. Anyway if there was any neighboring air power that had became the factor for Japan&#8217;s desire to acquire F-22,it was China&#8217;s SU-27,not Korea&#8217;s F-15K.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381828</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381828</guid>
		<description>oops, I failed to mention in the last post that the Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region. One thing that reminded me of this recently was the sale of the F-15SK fighter to south Korea. Japan's premier air superiority fighter is the F-15J. After the South Korean purchase they started belly aching for congress to allow them to purchase the F-22. They had to have the best plane in the region (aside from the US).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, I failed to mention in the last post that the Japanese have a feeling of superiority in the region. One thing that reminded me of this recently was the sale of the F-15SK fighter to south Korea. Japan&#8217;s premier air superiority fighter is the F-15J. After the South Korean purchase they started belly aching for congress to allow them to purchase the F-22. They had to have the best plane in the region (aside from the US).</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381827</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/30/the-character-of-japan/#comment-381827</guid>
		<description>One thing that does not get talked about much in the west is how many Japanese feel about many other Asian peoples. At the time of their Imperialism the West was grabbing up all of Asia, China was weak. It was Japans opportunity. 

Even at that time it was very over crowded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that does not get talked about much in the west is how many Japanese feel about many other Asian peoples. At the time of their Imperialism the West was grabbing up all of Asia, China was weak. It was Japans opportunity.</p>
<p>Even at that time it was very over crowded.</p>
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