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	<title>Comments on: The Geography of Persia Through&#160;History</title>
	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/</link>
	<description>Speak Victorian, Think Pagan</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Afghanistanica</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-382050</link>
		<dc:creator>Afghanistanica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-382050</guid>
		<description>RE: That Wikipedia article on Timur. 

According to Wikiscanner It has undergone some enthusiastic editing from someone in Istanbul using a Turk Telekom server. They've done a good job of "Turkifying" him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: That Wikipedia article on Timur.</p>
<p>According to Wikiscanner It has undergone some enthusiastic editing from someone in Istanbul using a Turk Telekom server. They&#8217;ve done a good job of &#8220;Turkifying&#8221; him.</p>
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		<title>By: Opinio Juris</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-382030</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinio Juris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-382030</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mapping the Evolution of States and Empires...&lt;/strong&gt;


The bloggers at Coming Anarchy have put together an informative series of posts about the shifting borders of states and empires.  There’s a time-lapse animation of ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mapping the Evolution of States and Empires&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The bloggers at Coming Anarchy have put together an informative series of posts about the shifting borders of states and empires.  There&#8217;s a time-lapse animation of &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mapas de antiguos imperios &#171; Pasa la vida</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381896</link>
		<dc:creator>Mapas de antiguos imperios &#171; Pasa la vida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381896</guid>
		<description>[...] ascensión y caída (si es que caen) de viejos imperios. Podemos ver los mapas de la fronteras de: Persia, Polonia, Etiopía, Rusia y Armenia. El gif animado que os pongo más abajo nos muestra de forma [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ascensi&#243;n y ca&#237;da (si es que caen) de viejos imperios. Podemos ver los mapas de la fronteras de: Persia, Polonia, Etiop&#237;a, Rusia y Armenia. El gif animado que os pongo m&#225;s abajo nos muestra de forma [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381524</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381524</guid>
		<description>Dr. Nexon: while I essentially agree, "identity" is more important than actual DNA, and surely all the Persian states have based their legitimacy on the empire of Xerxes and Darius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Nexon: while I essentially agree, &#8220;identity&#8221; is more important than actual <span class="caps">DNA</span>, and surely all the Persian states have based their legitimacy on the empire of Xerxes and Darius.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Nexon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381523</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Nexon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381523</guid>
		<description>"nations"

bzzt. 

That's like tracing the "nation of Italy" from the "Etruscans" period through the contemporary Italian state. Lots of different entities, albeit some that claim descent from their predecessors.

By the same token, the Sassanids were not the Parthians were not the Seljuks were not the Islamic Republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nations&#8221;</p>
<p>bzzt.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like tracing the &#8220;nation of Italy&#8221; from the &#8220;Etruscans&#8221; period through the contemporary Italian state. Lots of different entities, albeit some that claim descent from their predecessors.</p>
<p>By the same token, the Sassanids were not the Parthians were not the Seljuks were not the Islamic Republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Russel Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381522</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Russel Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381522</guid>
		<description>If only the Sassanids had known - they had almost all the  world's oil!!!
A beautiful post - thank you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only the Sassanids had known &#8211; they had almost all the  world&#8217;s oil<img src="!" alt="" border="0" /><br />
A beautiful post &#8211; thank you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381515</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381515</guid>
		<description>You will note that the English entry has no fewer than 11 sources for "He was Turkic in identity and language."  Although the actual distinction between these two in the 14th and 15th century is a topic of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will note that the English entry has no fewer than 11 sources for &#8220;He was Turkic in identity and language.&#8221;  Although the actual distinction between these two in the 14th and 15th century is a topic of debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381513</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381513</guid>
		<description>Timur identified himself as Mongolian noble.

Japanese wikipedia entry seems slightly bending toward Mongol origin than English:
モンゴル部族の一分枝バルラス部の出自で、言語的にテュルク化し、宗教的にイスラム化したモンゴル貴族の家系に属する。系譜によれば5代前の先祖カラチャル・ノヤンはチンギス・ハーンの次男チャガタイに仕えた有力な将軍であったが、ティムールがシャフリサブズの近郊で生まれたころには零落し、わずか数人の従者を持つに過ぎない小貴族であった。

これまでにティムールはバルラス部以外の有力部族を傘下に収めており、チンギス・ハーンの三男オゴデイの末裔であるソユルガトミシュという王子をハンに擁立。さらに同年、フサインの寡婦でチンギス・ハーンの子孫にあたる王女を妃に娶って、「チンギス家の娘婿（キュレゲン）」を称した。

チンギス・ハーンの子孫ではないティムールとその後継者たちは自らハンに即位することはなく、他の遊牧部族の将軍たちと同じアミールの称号を名乗るのみであり、名目上はハンであるチンギス家の娘婿にしてハンのもとにあるアミールの最有力者として振舞った。しかし現実には1370年に中央アジアにティムール家の権力が確立し、ティムール家による支配が行われたので、これをティムール朝（ティムール帝国）と呼ぶ。


ティムールはチンギス・ハーンの築き上げた世界帝国の夢を理想としていたといわれる。また自己の権威を確立するためには戦勝を続け、戦利品を配下の諸部族に分配する必要もあったため、外征を繰り返した。

Anyway I don't think Timur would identify himself as "Turkic"which was rather a vaugue ethnic identity at the time.And in central asia at that time,orthodoxy that associated with being the kins of Ghinghis mattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timur identified himself as Mongolian noble.</p>
<p>Japanese wikipedia entry seems slightly bending toward Mongol origin than English:<br />
モンゴル部族の一分枝バルラス部の出自で、言語的にテュルク化し、宗教的にイスラム化したモンゴル貴族の家系に属する。系譜によれば5代前の先祖カラチャル・ノヤンはチンギス・ハーンの次男チャガタイに仕えた有力な将軍であったが、ティムールがシャフリサブズの近郊で生まれたころには零落し、わずか数人の従者を持つに過ぎない小貴族であった。</p>
<p>これまでにティムールはバルラス部以外の有力部族を傘下に収めており、チンギス・ハーンの三男オゴデイの末裔であるソユルガトミシュという王子をハンに擁立。さらに同年、フサインの寡婦でチンギス・ハーンの子孫にあたる王女を妃に娶って、「チンギス家の娘婿（キュレゲン）」を称した。</p>
<p>チンギス・ハーンの子孫ではないティムールとその後継者たちは自らハンに即位することはなく、他の遊牧部族の将軍たちと同じアミールの称号を名乗るのみであり、名目上はハンであるチンギス家の娘婿にしてハンのもとにあるアミールの最有力者として振舞った。しかし現実には1370年に中央アジアにティムール家の権力が確立し、ティムール家による支配が行われたので、これをティムール朝（ティムール帝国）と呼ぶ。</p>
<p>ティムールはチンギス・ハーンの築き上げた世界帝国の夢を理想としていたといわれる。また自己の権威を確立するためには戦勝を続け、戦利品を配下の諸部族に分配する必要もあったため、外征を繰り返した。</p>
<p>Anyway I don&#8217;t think Timur would identify himself as &#8220;Turkic&#8221;which was rather a vaugue ethnic identity at the time.And in central asia at that time,orthodoxy that associated with being the kins of Ghinghis mattered.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381512</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381512</guid>
		<description>As with all these things, it's hard to draw real lines as to what is Turkic, what is Persian, and what is Mongolian.  

"Reads Wikipedia:":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

Timur belonged to a family of Turkicized Barlas clan of Mongol origin. He was Turkic in identity and language,[4][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] he aspired to restore the Mongol Empire. He was also steeped in Persian culture[15] and in most of the territories which he incorporated, Persian was the primary language of administration and literary culture. Thus the language of the settled "diwan" was in Persian and its scribes had to be adept in Persian culture, regardless of ethnicity.[16]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with all these things, it&#8217;s hard to draw real lines as to what is Turkic, what is Persian, and what is Mongolian.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur" title="" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/en.wikipedia.org');">Reads Wikipedia:</a></p>
<p>Timur belonged to a family of Turkicized Barlas clan of Mongol origin. He was Turkic in identity and language,[4][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] he aspired to restore the Mongol Empire. He was also steeped in Persian culture[15] and in most of the territories which he incorporated, Persian was the primary language of administration and literary culture. Thus the language of the settled &#8220;diwan&#8221; was in Persian and its scribes had to be adept in Persian culture, regardless of ethnicity.[16]</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381511</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381511</guid>
		<description>"Following the fall of Mongols,Persia was ruled by Timur and his descendents"

Actually,many Mongolians think Timur as a Mongol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Following the fall of Mongols,Persia was ruled by Timur and his descendents&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually,many Mongolians think Timur as a Mongol.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancient india &#187; The Geography of Persia Through History</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381510</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancient india &#187; The Geography of Persia Through History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381510</guid>
		<description>[...] post by ComingAnarchy.com and software by Elliott Back   This entry is filed under Ancient india. You can follow any [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post by ComingAnarchy.com and software by Elliott Back   This entry is filed under Ancient india. You can follow any [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381509</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381509</guid>
		<description>Thanks guys -- the graphics come from Nasa's free WorldWind program, which I think is far superior to Google Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys&#8212;the graphics come from Nasa&#8217;s free WorldWind program, which I think is far superior to Google Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: mihnea</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381508</link>
		<dc:creator>mihnea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381508</guid>
		<description>curzon, these graphical depictions of yours are absolutely excellent. many thanks! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curzon, these graphical depictions of yours are absolutely excellent. many thanks! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Yo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381505</link>
		<dc:creator>Yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2008/01/05/persia/#comment-381505</guid>
		<description>Great post. Hey, what GIS software do you use to visualize the overlays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Hey, what <span class="caps">GIS</span> software do you use to visualize the overlays?</p>
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