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	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/</link>
	<description>Speak Victorian, Think Pagan</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KurdSah Mardin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-383382</link>
		<dc:creator>KurdSah Mardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biji KURDISTAN 

long live Kurdistan i die for Kurdistan the homeland of Kurds
yezidi is not an ethnic group they are kurds who have another religion call yezidi it is the oldest kurdish religion after Islam kurds converted to islam but a small group protected jezidism.they are not against kurdistan or kurds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biji <span class="caps">KURDISTAN</span></p>
<p>long live Kurdistan i die for Kurdistan the homeland of Kurds<br />
yezidi is not an ethnic group they are kurds who have another religion call yezidi it is the oldest kurdish religion after Islam kurds converted to islam but a small group protected jezidism.they are not against kurdistan or kurds.</p>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PKK in Kansas Update</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381334</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PKK in Kansas Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381334</guid>
		<description>[...] as a follow up on my previous post on rumors that the PKK is moving to Nagorno-Karabagh, Jamestown has a new article on the same subject that is well worth [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as a follow up on my previous post on rumors that the <span class="caps">PKK</span> is moving to Nagorno-Karabagh, Jamestown has a new article on the same subject that is well worth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pep</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381316</link>
		<dc:creator>pep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381316</guid>
		<description>Chirol, is the Turkish nationalist response any more "ridiculous" than that of the Greeks, Armenians and Kurds ? Do you believe that the Turkish treatment of its minorities is any different to how the Greeks and Armenians treated the Turks ( and Kurds for that matter )during WWI ? Or what the Greeks Cypriots did to the Turkish Cypriots in the 1960 - 70's ?  Fact is that there is and has been wrongs done by all sides...but Turkey gets singled out. Fact of the matter is that Turks living in Greece are not even allowed to refer to themselves as Turks but "Greek Muslims" ! There is not a single Mosque in Athens...(contrast that to the number of Orthodox churches is Istanbul). For the record I did read your post...where you describe the Turkish paranoia....let me try and explain it to you. Fact is that at the end of WW1 Turkey was partitioned by the British, French, Russians etc...various regions of Turkey were under occupation and would have been ceded to Greece, Armenia and the Kurds. Various groups still exist in all those countries that still harbour those dreams, hence their backing of the PKK.  The Greeks and Armenians have no love for the Kurds but support them in an effort to destabilise Turkey...theyre not interested in rights for the Kurds.  So the fact that what you call "paranoia" has actually happened...could you see how the Turkish psyche can be a bit wary when they see the PKK trained and armed by Greece, Armenia and Russia.  Not to mention the funds that they are still able to raise in Western Europe...who despite calling them a terror organisation..do nothing to confiscate funds or arrest its member?...So have a bit of balance and try to look at the otherside of the coin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol, is the Turkish nationalist response any more &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; than that of the Greeks, Armenians and Kurds ? Do you believe that the Turkish treatment of its minorities is any different to how the Greeks and Armenians treated the Turks ( and Kurds for that matter )during <span class="caps">WWI </span>? Or what the Greeks Cypriots did to the Turkish Cypriots in the 1960 &#8211; 70&#8217;s ?  Fact is that there is and has been wrongs done by all sides&#8230;but Turkey gets singled out. Fact of the matter is that Turks living in Greece are not even allowed to refer to themselves as Turks but &#8220;Greek Muslims&#8221; ! There is not a single Mosque in Athens&#8230;(contrast that to the number of Orthodox churches is Istanbul). For the record I did read your post&#8230;where you describe the Turkish paranoia&#8230;.let me try and explain it to you. Fact is that at the end of <span class="caps">WW1 </span>Turkey was partitioned by the British, French, Russians etc&#8230;various regions of Turkey were under occupation and would have been ceded to Greece, Armenia and the Kurds. Various groups still exist in all those countries that still harbour those dreams, hence their backing of the <span class="caps">PKK</span>.  The Greeks and Armenians have no love for the Kurds but support them in an effort to destabilise Turkey&#8230;theyre not interested in rights for the Kurds.  So the fact that what you call &#8220;paranoia&#8221; has actually happened&#8230;could you see how the Turkish psyche can be a bit wary when they see the <span class="caps">PKK</span> trained and armed by Greece, Armenia and Russia.  Not to mention the funds that they are still able to raise in Western Europe&#8230;who despite calling them a terror organisation..do nothing to confiscate funds or arrest its member?...So have a bit of balance and try to look at the otherside of the coin.</p>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381310</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381310</guid>
		<description>Pep: I'd firstly ask you to keep your tone civil. We aren't interested in the long Turkish flame wars that happens so often. 

Secondly, if you've read any of mine or Curzon's previous work, you'd know that both he and I do not support Armenia's genocide claim. However, Turkey's nationalist and often ridiculous responses to the issue (just visit the Army Museum in Istanbul) are what give it little credibility and likability on the issue. 

Lastly, if you reread the post, you'll note I did note foreign support for the PKK from other countries. Your response gives the impression you didn't actually read what I wrote but instead just wanted to write your general thoughts on the matter.

Modern Turkey has an appalling history on minority rights whether they be Greek, Armenian or Kurdish. Indeed, the very fact that those three nationalities were/are actually the legitimate and indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia long before the Turks set foot in Asia minor only lends more weight to Turkish territorial fears. Add to that Turkey's long denial of hte very existence of the Kurdish people, much less their rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pep: I&#8217;d firstly ask you to keep your tone civil. We aren&#8217;t interested in the long Turkish flame wars that happens so often.</p>
<p>Secondly, if you&#8217;ve read any of mine or Curzon&#8217;s previous work, you&#8217;d know that both he and I do not support Armenia&#8217;s genocide claim. However, Turkey&#8217;s nationalist and often ridiculous responses to the issue (just visit the Army Museum in Istanbul) are what give it little credibility and likability on the issue.</p>
<p>Lastly, if you reread the post, you&#8217;ll note I did note foreign support for the <span class="caps">PKK</span> from other countries. Your response gives the impression you didn&#8217;t actually read what I wrote but instead just wanted to write your general thoughts on the matter.</p>
<p>Modern Turkey has an appalling history on minority rights whether they be Greek, Armenian or Kurdish. Indeed, the very fact that those three nationalities were/are actually the legitimate and indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia long before the Turks set foot in Asia minor only lends more weight to Turkish territorial fears. Add to that Turkey&#8217;s long denial of hte very existence of the Kurdish people, much less their rights.</p>
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		<title>By: pep</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381308</link>
		<dc:creator>pep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381308</guid>
		<description>The fact of the matter is that even if Greece, Armenia and the PKK combined they couldnt do a thing to Turkey.  So they can dream all they want about "greater Armenia" or "Kurdistan" or "Constantinople"...its not going to happen. As for your "Turkish paranoia"...Ocalan was captured whilst under Greek embassy protection in Africa with a real Greek cypriot passport.  The PKK had bases in Syria...and captured terrorists admitted to be trained in Greece, Cyprus and Armenia...but all this is paranoia is it ? Keep kidding yourselves. As for the so-called "genocide" you seem to keep harping on about...it would be a non-issue if it were not for weak-ass french and american politicians after diaspora votes...armenians are trying to buy themselves a genocide.  It was a time of war and just as many Turks and Kurds were killed by Russians and Armenians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact of the matter is that even if Greece, Armenia and the <span class="caps">PKK</span> combined they couldnt do a thing to Turkey.  So they can dream all they want about &#8220;greater Armenia&#8221; or &#8220;Kurdistan&#8221; or &#8220;Constantinople&#8221;...its not going to happen. As for your &#8220;Turkish paranoia&#8221;...Ocalan was captured whilst under Greek embassy protection in Africa with a real Greek cypriot passport.  The <span class="caps">PKK</span> had bases in Syria&#8230;and captured terrorists admitted to be trained in Greece, Cyprus and Armenia&#8230;but all this is paranoia is it ? Keep kidding yourselves. As for the so-called &#8220;genocide&#8221; you seem to keep harping on about&#8230;it would be a non-issue if it were not for weak-ass french and american politicians after diaspora votes&#8230;armenians are trying to buy themselves a genocide.  It was a time of war and just as many Turks and Kurds were killed by Russians and Armenians.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381192</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381192</guid>
		<description>Yeah, I generally feel the same as Hevallo -- except that as paranoid as Turkey is about its hostile neighbors, Armenia is even more blatant in its utter hatred of Turkey.  I really wouldn't put it past Armenia helping out the PKK in anyway that it can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I generally feel the same as Hevallo&#8212;except that as paranoid as Turkey is about its hostile neighbors, Armenia is even more blatant in its utter hatred of Turkey.  I really wouldn&#8217;t put it past Armenia helping out the <span class="caps">PKK</span> in anyway that it can.</p>
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		<title>By: Hevallo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381185</link>
		<dc:creator>Hevallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381185</guid>
		<description>This is a story whose sole 'source' is from Turkish intelligence sources. Sorry, for me, as soon as I got to that I would not read any further. You should'nt take any story from Turkish intelligence sources seriously.

The profound struggle of the Kurdish people for their freedom in Turkey has been subject to the most incredible psychological warfare and disinformation. It is this disinformation campaign that is the reason for most of the misunderstandings about the Kurdish Freedom Movement.

To read the story referred to would have the reader believe that the PKK is in disarray. There is another story in Zaman today that also qoutes from further Turkish intelligence 'sources' that the PKK are split down ethnic lines and there is infighting. The reality is that the Turkish establishment are shitting themselves as the Kurdish movement is at its strongest in history and they are desperately trying to position themselves as to any up and coming development. Many believe that a 'solution' to the Kurdish Question is not far off while others think not and despair at further deteriation of events.

We all wait with baited breath as the next few months are crucial.

This story could be buttering up the Turkish domestic audience to believe that the Turkish military have defeated the PKK and now Turkey should settle The Kurdish Question on its own terms.

Please feel free to browse my pages on The Kurdish Question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a story whose sole &#8216;source&#8217; is from Turkish intelligence sources. Sorry, for me, as soon as I got to that I would not read any further. You should&#8217;nt take any story from Turkish intelligence sources seriously.</p>
<p>The profound struggle of the Kurdish people for their freedom in Turkey has been subject to the most incredible psychological warfare and disinformation. It is this disinformation campaign that is the reason for most of the misunderstandings about the Kurdish Freedom Movement.</p>
<p>To read the story referred to would have the reader believe that the <span class="caps">PKK</span> is in disarray. There is another story in Zaman today that also qoutes from further Turkish intelligence &#8216;sources&#8217; that the <span class="caps">PKK</span> are split down ethnic lines and there is infighting. The reality is that the Turkish establishment are shitting themselves as the Kurdish movement is at its strongest in history and they are desperately trying to position themselves as to any up and coming development. Many believe that a &#8216;solution&#8217; to the Kurdish Question is not far off while others think not and despair at further deteriation of events.</p>
<p>We all wait with baited breath as the next few months are crucial.</p>
<p>This story could be buttering up the Turkish domestic audience to believe that the Turkish military have defeated the <span class="caps">PKK</span> and now Turkey should settle The Kurdish Question on its own terms.</p>
<p>Please feel free to browse my pages on The Kurdish Question.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381184</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381184</guid>
		<description>This is a counter-intuitive bit of propaganda put out by the Azeris. We traveled through Lachin (the region between Nagorno Karabagh and Armenia proper) last summer. Not a Kurd in sight. 

Armenia and NK would have no interest in encouraging the PKK or Kurds in general. Armenians have no great affection for the Kurds who were the instruments of the Ottomans prior to and during the genocide and they have enough problems with their neighbours without aggravating the situation by bringing in the PKK. Also ASALA and other radical Armenian organizations have been inactive for over 20 years. 

Finally, as you correctly point out, it is difficult to see what strategic geographic benefit it would be for the PKK to be located on the other side of Armenia from Turkey.

The region did have Kurds prior to the war but these were Muslims who fled. Armenia has a population of approximately 50,000 Yezidis who are split in their identity with some identifying as Kurds and others as a separate ethnicity. One Yezidi told me that though the Yezidis speak the Kurmandji dialect of Kurdish, the Kurds are Muslims and therefore the enemies of the Yezidis. During the Karabagh war Yezidis actually fought against Kurdish Muslims in Lachin and Kelbajar.

British journalist Onnik Krikorian has written several articles on the Yezidis of Armenia:
oneworld.blogsome.com/2007/11/22/armenias-divided-yezidis/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a counter-intuitive bit of propaganda put out by the Azeris. We traveled through Lachin (the region between Nagorno Karabagh and Armenia proper) last summer. Not a Kurd in sight.</p>
<p>Armenia and NK would have no interest in encouraging the <span class="caps">PKK</span> or Kurds in general. Armenians have no great affection for the Kurds who were the instruments of the Ottomans prior to and during the genocide and they have enough problems with their neighbours without aggravating the situation by bringing in the <span class="caps">PKK</span>. Also <span class="caps">ASALA</span> and other radical Armenian organizations have been inactive for over 20 years.</p>
<p>Finally, as you correctly point out, it is difficult to see what strategic geographic benefit it would be for the <span class="caps">PKK</span> to be located on the other side of Armenia from Turkey.</p>
<p>The region did have Kurds prior to the war but these were Muslims who fled. Armenia has a population of approximately 50,000 Yezidis who are split in their identity with some identifying as Kurds and others as a separate ethnicity. One Yezidi told me that though the Yezidis speak the Kurmandji dialect of Kurdish, the Kurds are Muslims and therefore the enemies of the Yezidis. During the Karabagh war Yezidis actually fought against Kurdish Muslims in Lachin and Kelbajar.</p>
<p>British journalist Onnik Krikorian has written several articles on the Yezidis of Armenia:<br />
oneworld.blogsome.com/2007/11/22/armenias-divided-yezidis/</p>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381179</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381179</guid>
		<description>Reminds me of Tom Clancy's"Debt of Honor(1994)" and Michael Crichton's"Rising Sun(1993)".
Oh wait I've almost forgot about George Friedman&#38;Meredith Shephard's"The Coming War with Japan(1991).

Ofcourse,I can find ten times more of the equivalent in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of Tom Clancy&#8217;s&#8221;Debt of Honor(1994)&#8221; and Michael Crichton&#8217;s&#8221;Rising Sun(1993)&#8221;.<br />
Oh wait I&#8217;ve almost forgot about George Friedman&#038;Meredith Shephard&#8217;s&#8221;The Coming War with Japan(1991).</p>
<p>Ofcourse,I can find ten times more of the equivalent in Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381173</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/12/06/pkk-to-kansas/#comment-381173</guid>
		<description>Great post -- and fun endnote.  I also have been amazed at the paranoia and conspiracy theories at root of so much thinking in Turkey when visiting there and when talking to Turks overseas.  Ever heard the fun one that, Turkey actually has more oil than Saudi Arabia -- but the Americans are keeping Ankara from developing it!   The fun never stops in Anatolia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post&#8212;and fun endnote.  I also have been amazed at the paranoia and conspiracy theories at root of so much thinking in Turkey when visiting there and when talking to Turks overseas.  Ever heard the fun one that, Turkey actually has more oil than Saudi Arabia&#8212;but the Americans are keeping Ankara from developing it!   The fun never stops in Anatolia.</p>
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