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October 16th, 2007

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Which Came First: The Nation or the State?

While many people use the words state and nation-state interchangeably, there is an important difference between the two responsible for increasing tension and domestic turbulence all over the globe. Nationalism has been the source of countless conflicts around the world yet the current political makeup of the globe is fairly new, historically speaking. Despite the prejudices some have today, empires were actually the norm through much of history. Only since the Treaty of Westphalia 1648 have certain groups of people believed in their absolute right to a specific piece of land. As time went on, the idea caught on and ultimately led to the splintering of the great empires (English, Dutch, Spanish, Ottoman, German, Russian, French etc) into smaller states whose geographical borders closely represented the ethnic makeup of the territory.

From giant conglomerations of peoples to tiny states with just a few thousand people,today, people the world over find themselves facing another variation of this age old problem. With the ease and increase of international travel, communications and commerce, the peoples of the world have again began to mix while the borders of their states remain static. As many settle down, learn the local language and gain residence or citizenship, the question arises: Who is Swiss? Who is German? Who is Turkish?

Ironically, this is one major problem that both Europe and Turkey share. While Germans debate whether German-speaking Turks born and raised in Germany are really German, Turks debate what it means to be Turkish. According to the Turkish constitution for example, Turkey is a Turkish state whose language is Turkish. Where then, does this leave the Kurds, who’ve lived in the region thousands of years longer than the Turks?

An article in Today’s Zaman on Turkish and Kurdish nationalism notes:

The MHP needs to reevaluate these ideologies and principles and generate new ideas. Bahçeli referred to Oct. 29 1923 when explaining the basic rules of living under the roof of a united Turkish Republic and coexisting in a Turkish national identity. But the date is wrong, most of the sensitive concepts and descriptions we debate today date back to after 1923. Are we going to describe Turkishness according to the more enclosed description in the 1924 Constitution or, the more limiting description in the 1982 Constitution? Also Bahçeli needs to elaborate on what he means by “one state, one nation, one flag, one language,”? which he listed as the principles of “national unity and solidarity.”? How will we place the Kurds, whom it is believed to come from a different ethnic root, within this “one nation”? conception?

Nowadays, the most successful states are arguably those who born from settler colonies, specifically British ones. To be American, Australian or Canadian isn’t to be a certain race or religion. While white Anglo-Saxons are clearly the majority at the moment, everyone else has been and is just as welcome and not seen as less Canadian, American or Australian. Indeed, for countries based on an idea and where no group “owns” the land, the freedom to change, adapt and grow is far greater than in those based on ethnicity and religion with far older cultures and traditions. While some people advance the idea of so-called Market-States, one if the biggest and most overlooked questions of our century is that of identity. Will we see more melting together? More nationalist backlash?

I invite readers to share their views on the increasingly important role of identity on both the individual and state level and the effects thereof on states and their domestic and foreign policy.

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Adrian
October 16, 2007
1:44 pm
Did you see the recent media flap about Ashkan Dejagah's decision to refuse to play for the German U-21 national team in Israel? An Iranian-German, apparently his family might face retribution if he visited Israel (against Iranian law), but some people think he was maintaining the chance to play for Iran's national team in the future. I wrote about it on my blog.
Coming Anarchy: Which came first, the nation or the state… « Identity Unknown
October 16, 2007
1:54 pm
[...] Oct 16th, 2007 by Ryan Lanham Which Came First: The Nation or the State? [...]
random african
October 16, 2007
2:41 pm
"one if the biggest and most overlooked questions of our century is that of identity"

really ? more than say in the early 20th century ?
NYkrinDC
October 16, 2007
6:53 pm
Will we see more melting together? More nationalist backlash?

I think this depends largely on the history of the people involved. For example, if a particular group has been oppressed, as the chains loosen (be it through the collapse of a regime, or the result of Barnettian connectivity) they will likely seek some measure of autonomy from their former oppressors, if not outright independence. That’s part of what is going on in some parts of Africa, as countries transitioned from dictatorships to democratic governance different groups began to engage in a re-negotiation of the social contract that bound them together, sometimes seeking greater autonomy, others outright independence. Iraq can probably fit in this category as well, since although the turmoil resulted from American led regime change, the end state will likely be something along the lines of Biden-Gelb.

In like manner, countries that have already dealt with these issues centuries earlier, such as Europe with Westphalia, are moving toward integration, even as they debate the future of immigrants in their midst. It is likely that there will be an even stronger nationalist backlash within the EU (more specifically within the older members such as France, England, Germany, etc.) which are trying to cope with processing the immigrant bulge. Although the tendency will initially be toward a nationalist reassertion, due to the porosity of EU borders and the integration that has taken place during the last half-century, the long-term trend will be toward acceptance and assimilation.

If looked at in Barnettian terms, the states that are likely to experience more turmoil and in some cases, disintegration, are likely to be found in the gap, while the states that will assimilate or integrate will be largely found in the core. Iraq is probably the first of many, with Turkey, Iran, Syria and Pakistan following thereafter. This of course, is largely dependent on what the impact Iraq and its enclaves will have on the region as a whole. Already, the Kurdish north is becoming an incubator of Kurdish nationalism and culture, further raising the possibility, of a larger conflagration over the future of a Kurdish state.
Lexington Green
October 16, 2007
10:03 pm
England's daughter polities are state-nations, not nation-states, as I mentioned in this earlier post, where I cited Chirol.
Lexington Green
October 16, 2007
10:06 pm
Here's Bennett's post on the subject.
Curzon
October 17, 2007
5:48 am
"one if the biggest and most overlooked questions of our century is that of identity"


really ? more than say in the early 20th century ?


RA: I think it's recognized more now, whereas back in the day we just recognized groups that were ruled by people not of the same nationality and locked on to the concept of "self determination." The concept of "Identity" is probably better understood today and the debate on the topic is far broader.
Mihnea Dumitru
October 17, 2007
8:06 pm
I don't personally think the nation state represents a valid concept in the age of globalization. No one chooses where he or she is born. So why should we fret whether we're born Armenians, Russians or Zulus? Culture's a different matter and that needs to be cherished. But nationhood is an eroding concept in my mind.
ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Superstates
October 18, 2007
12:16 am
[...] previous post on the dynamic between nation and state reminds me of this map from Strange [...]
shane
October 18, 2007
2:23 am
While many (e.g., John Robb) decry the "decline of the nation-state", one thing that will preserve the nation-state's power base is its ownership of monetary policy. Sure, multinational corporations can generate a bunch of revenue -- and transnational terror organizations can shift the security calculus and erode the nation-state's monopoly on use of military force.

That said, I believe continued globalization is inevitable -- and will result in more "melting pot", punctuated by periods of "nationalist backlash".
Deciphering Transdniestria » Blog Archive » Could Transdniestria be the successful state prototype?
October 22, 2007
12:42 pm
[...] successful states: Small, self-governing, and based on a shared idea, rather than mere ethnicity. Says Chirol from Coming Anarchy: Nowadays, the most successful states are arguably those who born from settler colonies, [...]