Comments on: The 28 Weeks Later Repopulation Scenario http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:57:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Nick http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380121 Nick Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:44:38 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380121 As any fule kno, the "Rage"-infected victims in <i>28 Days Later</i> (and <i>28 Weeks Later</i>) are not zombies as they are not dead - unlike in the George Romero films, where the zombie victims are killed, and then rise from the dead to become ... zombies. However, precisely because the "Rage" victims in the <i>28</i> films are still living, they can die of tedious things like bloodloss and hunger. I'll get my anorak ... As any fule kno, the “Rage”-infected victims in 28 Days Later (and 28 Weeks Later) are not zombies as they are not dead – unlike in the George Romero films, where the zombie victims are killed, and then rise from the dead to become … zombies. However, precisely because the “Rage” victims in the 28 films are still living, they can die of tedious things like bloodloss and hunger.

I’ll get my anorak …

]]> By: IJ http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380054 IJ Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:50:30 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380054 Echoes of <a href="http://cominganarchy.com/2007/08/08/outmaneuvering-russia/" rel="nofollow">an earlier post in this forum</a>. The United Nations has hundreds of territorial disputes to adjudicate on. Meanwhile. . . According to the Wall Street Journal: “Power, not international law, will settle the issue. Indeed, international law recognizes this fact by making title dependent on a nation's ability to exert control over an area. . . That is why Russia is sending ships into the Arctic, and why Canada is saying that it will patrol the Northwest Passage. As long as such expressions of power are credible, other nations, disadvantaged by distance, will generally acquiesce and sovereignty will be extended accordingly. Russia's expression of power is credible; Canada's is not. Canada cannot prevent other countries from sending ships up the Northwest Passage, as the U.S. has demonstrated from time to time for just this purpose”?. No wonder Britain worries about a repeat of war in the Falkland Islands. Echoes of an earlier post in this forum.

The United Nations has hundreds of territorial disputes to adjudicate on. Meanwhile. . .

According to the Wall Street Journal:

“Power, not international law, will settle the issue. Indeed, international law recognizes this fact by making title dependent on a nation’s ability to exert control over an area. . . That is why Russia is sending ships into the Arctic, and why Canada is saying that it will patrol the Northwest Passage. As long as such expressions of power are credible, other nations, disadvantaged by distance, will generally acquiesce and sovereignty will be extended accordingly. Russia’s expression of power is credible; Canada’s is not. Canada cannot prevent other countries from sending ships up the Northwest Passage, as the U.S. has demonstrated from time to time for just this purpose”?.

No wonder Britain worries about a repeat of war in the Falkland Islands.

]]> By: snow http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380033 snow Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:57:48 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380033 I think the reaction of the international community would really depend on which country it was. If it were England, I think the reaction would be very strong. For example, if the French or Germans grabbed it, the reaction from others would be furious and war would probably break out. I think there is enough rivalry between the French, Germans and English (in the former colonies) that they wouldn't stand for the others to take it. But if it were some small, isolated place such as Tibet, you're right, the reaction may not be much. I think the reaction of the international community would really depend on which country it was. If it were England, I think the reaction would be very strong. For example, if the French or Germans grabbed it, the reaction from others would be furious and war would probably break out. I think there is enough rivalry between the French, Germans and English (in the former colonies) that they wouldn’t stand for the others to take it. But if it were some small, isolated place such as Tibet, you’re right, the reaction may not be much.

]]> By: beowulf http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380025 beowulf Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:36:45 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380025 Curzon wrote: "Another option that I didn't consider is that one country could unilaterally annex the country as its territory—how would the international community react to tha[t]?" Probably the same way it reacted to China's annexation of Tibet, namely, with a lot of handwringing and little, if any, action. Without a resident population, you might not even get the handwringing. Curzon wrote:
“Another option that I didn’t consider is that one country could unilaterally annex the country as its territory—how would the international community react to tha[t]?”

Probably the same way it reacted to China’s annexation of Tibet, namely, with a lot of handwringing and little, if any, action. Without a resident population, you might not even get the handwringing.

]]> By: Adrian http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380010 Adrian Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:23:23 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380010 The country's government should sell residence licenses to raise revenue to rebuild the country. Even if the infrastructure is intact, you're still going to have to re-network the entire population. The country’s government should sell residence licenses to raise revenue to rebuild the country. Even if the infrastructure is intact, you’re still going to have to re-network the entire population.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380004 Curzon Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:49:50 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-380004 Another option that I didn't consider is that one country could unilaterally annex the country as its territory -- how would the international community react to tha? Another option that I didn’t consider is that one country could unilaterally annex the country as its territory—how would the international community react to tha?

]]> By: Chief Wiggum http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379997 Chief Wiggum Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:02:09 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379997 Actually, something akin to the "Rage" virus is already present in the UK, but so far it has been confined to soccer stadiums. I think Dave's scenario is the most likely. It would be a free-for-all to grab what's there. Does any European state have the assets and wherewithal to blockade the UK by sea to keep people out, or garrison the island to keep the repopulation orderly? Probably not. More likely, they would consider it a lost cause and encourage their own rabble to leave the continent and live in Britain. It's an interesting question. Actually, something akin to the “Rage” virus is already present in the UK, but so far it has been confined to soccer stadiums.

I think Dave’s scenario is the most likely. It would be a free-for-all to grab what’s there. Does any European state have the assets and wherewithal to blockade the UK by sea to keep people out, or garrison the island to keep the repopulation orderly? Probably not. More likely, they would consider it a lost cause and encourage their own rabble to leave the continent and live in Britain. It’s an interesting question.

]]> By: Dave M http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379996 Dave M Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:50:07 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379996 I would expect a huge influx from less-developed nations, leading to the creation of a polyglot, multiethnic set of enclaves that functions only loosely as a 'nation' in the traditional sense, as the maintenance of a central poltiical order would be near-impossible unless borders could be sealed while power is consolidated. Which is to say, without an occupying foreign force to establish order, the result would be either anarchy or the loosest of federalisms. Could an international body coordinate the relevant force and create effective legal structures? I think not; only unilateral action by a major power could avoid the need to reconstitute civil authority internally, and from scratch. I would expect a huge influx from less-developed nations, leading to the creation of a polyglot, multiethnic set of enclaves that functions only loosely as a ‘nation’ in the traditional sense, as the maintenance of a central poltiical order would be near-impossible unless borders could be sealed while power is consolidated. Which is to say, without an occupying foreign force to establish order, the result would be either anarchy or the loosest of federalisms. Could an international body coordinate the relevant force and create effective legal structures? I think not; only unilateral action by a major power could avoid the need to reconstitute civil authority internally, and from scratch.

]]> By: Brent Grace http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379993 Brent Grace Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:15:13 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/10/02/the-28-weeks-later-repopulation-scenario/#comment-379993 From a strictly "legal”? perspective, I would think options 1 and 2 are sensible, rational solutions to the problem you describe. But I think scenario 4 is closest to what would happen should a large industrialized nation be suddenly depopulated. Consider how much trouble modern, populated nations have with controlling who crosses the border. An empty country would, whatever the "official" policy, probably wind up the home of whoever could get there, stake their claim, and hold it. This is a very interesting scenario when considered in light of Russia's falling population........... From a strictly “legal”? perspective, I would think options 1 and 2 are sensible, rational solutions to the problem you describe. But I think scenario 4 is closest to what would happen should a large industrialized nation be suddenly depopulated. Consider how much trouble modern, populated nations have with controlling who crosses the border. An empty country would, whatever the “official” policy, probably wind up the home of whoever could get there, stake their claim, and hold it.

This is a very interesting scenario when considered in light of Russia’s falling population…........

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