Comments on: How do you say, “Speak Victorian” in Japanese? http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:43:59 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: guy http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376601 guy Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:54:06 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376601 I don't know about speaking Victorian and thinking pagan. But Kyuma was right. A friend told me the Victorian age was one of hypocrisy: an outward appearance of respetability with an undercurrent of bawdiness. So that is perhaps what a numbe of Victorians did think Victorian and act/ think pagan. P..S If they United States really wanted to keep the Soviets out they would have rearmed the Germans. I was taken aback when I first heard someone say that. That person said it was not his idea, but Patton's. If the U.S. kept the Soviets out of Asia then the issue of North Korea would have been a moot point. It is interesting that when one Chinese family had a discussion on the bomb, one elderly lady said they should have incincerated all of Japan. Kind of scary. I don’t know about speaking Victorian and thinking pagan. But Kyuma was right. A friend told me the Victorian age was one of hypocrisy: an outward appearance of respetability with an undercurrent of bawdiness.
So that is perhaps what a numbe of Victorians did think Victorian and act/ think pagan. P..S If they United States really wanted to keep the Soviets out they would have rearmed the Germans. I was taken aback when I first heard someone say that. That person said it was not his idea, but Patton’s. If the U.S. kept the Soviets out of Asia then the issue of North Korea would have been a moot point. It is interesting that when one Chinese family had a discussion on the bomb, one elderly lady said they should have incincerated all of Japan. Kind of scary.

]]> By: sun bin http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376507 sun bin Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:49:23 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376507 couldnt be helpes, true. but the cold war, soviet, and hokkaido? do you really believe that was what truman had in mind? i will help you to think "pagan":http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2007/07/net-effect-of-little-boy-and-fat-man.html couldnt be helpes, true.

but the cold war, soviet, and hokkaido? do you really believe that was what truman had in mind?

i will help you to think pagan

]]> By: Leftsider http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376345 Leftsider Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:20:07 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376345 <strong>How do you say, “Speak Victorian”? in Japanese?...</strong> How do you say, “Speak Victorian”? in Japanese? at ComingAnarchy.com The watchword of this blog has long been one of Robert D. Kaplan's “top ten rules”?: Speak Victorian, Think Pagan. Policymakers must have the freedom to think of all possibili... How do you say, âSpeak Victorianâ? in Japanese?…

How do you say, âSpeak Victorianâ? in Japanese? at ComingAnarchy.com The watchword of this blog has long been one of Robert D. Kaplan’s âtop ten rulesâ?: Speak Victorian, Think Pagan. Policymakers must have the freedom to think of all possibili…

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376324 Curzon Wed, 04 Jul 2007 03:37:58 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376324 YH, I think that was my first post ever here at CA...　æ‡?ã?‹ã?—ã?„ã?ªã??。 YH, I think that was my first post ever here at CA…ãâ¬â¬Ã¦â¡?ã?â¹Ã£?âã?âã?ªã??ãâ¬â

]]> By: Aceface http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376320 Aceface Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:03:04 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376320 Koike Yuriko is supposed to be the chair person of newly established cabinet's NSC(not exactly working yet)was the broadcaster for TV TOKYO and the graduate of University of Cairo,Probably the only Japanese diet member who can speak Arabic(not sure how fluent she is). I remember she was against the first gulf war,but then again she wasn't LDP member at the time. Koike Yuriko is supposed to be the chair person of newly established cabinet’s NSCwas the broadcaster for TV TOKYO and the graduate of University of Cairo,Probably the only Japanese diet member who can speak Arabic(not sure how fluent she is).
I remember she was against the first gulf war,but then again she wasn’t LDP member at the time.

]]> By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376314 Younghusband Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:49:52 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376314 "Look who's taking over":http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/411213. She's "been on CA before":http://cominganarchy.com/2004/09/29/cabinet-reshuffle-in-japan-yuriko-koike/. Look who’s taking over. She’s been on CA before.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376310 Curzon Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:17:27 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376310 "Kyuma resigns.":http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200707030282.html Kyuma resigns.

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » Sorry About That. Couldn’t Be Helped. http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376292 The Marmot’s Hole » Sorry About That. Couldn’t Be Helped. Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:46:23 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376292 [...] discusses Japanese Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma’s comment that the atomic bombing of Japan “could not be [...] [...] discusses Japanese Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma’s comment that the atomic bombing of Japan “could not be [...]

]]> By: Japan's Defense Minister: US Atomic Bombing "Couldn't Be Helped" at ROK Drop http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376284 Japan's Defense Minister: US Atomic Bombing "Couldn't Be Helped" at ROK Drop Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:03:29 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376284 [...] to get Japan to surrender more quickly before the Soviets gobbled up to much Japanese territory.  Coming Anarchy has some good commentary on this issue and provides a better translation of what Kyuma [...] [...] to get Japan to surrender more quickly before the Soviets gobbled up to much Japanese territory.à Coming Anarchy has some good commentary on this issue and provides a better translation of what Kyuma [...]

]]> By: Mark http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376279 Mark Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:30:07 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376279 Kaplan's referenced article shows a lot of education but little understanding. The future does not belong to the state and it's aparatchiks. The debt bubble that's collapsing should dry up all that easy tax money that governments have been using to bend others around the world to their will. Kaplan’s referenced article shows a lot of education but little understanding. The future does not belong to the state and it’s aparatchiks. The debt bubble that’s collapsing should dry up all that easy tax money that governments have been using to bend others around the world to their will.

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376278 Curzon Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:16:29 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376278 <blockquote>The most interesting thing of all is this chap is from Nagasaki”¦.</blockquote> That _is_ interesting! Thanks all for the comments. I think my point is that, Kyuma's discussion is a fine one to be had, as are the other topics mentioned by Dr. Wallace, but it's unbelievable to make statements like this right before an election where the government is facing tough odds. That kind of honesty doesn't win the LDP any friends, especially not in places like Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The most interesting thing of all is this chap is from Nagasakiâ¦.

That is interesting!

Thanks all for the comments. I think my point is that, Kyuma’s discussion is a fine one to be had, as are the other topics mentioned by Dr. Wallace, but it’s unbelievable to make statements like this right before an election where the government is facing tough odds. That kind of honesty doesn’t win the LDP any friends, especially not in places like Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

]]> By: subadei http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376277 subadei Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:14:06 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376277 Fumio's pragmatism is impressive. I don't know that I agree he should have spoken Victorian, however. I think the mainstream (especially here in the US) deserve some unapologetic realism. Call it tough love, if you will. Maybe it'll drag them away from whatever utopian ideology that they cling to left or right. Fumio’s pragmatism is impressive. I don’t know that I agree he should have spoken Victorian, however. I think the mainstream (especially here in the US) deserve some unapologetic realism. Call it tough love, if you will. Maybe it’ll drag them away from whatever utopian ideology that they cling to left or right.

]]> By: Alfred Russel Wallace http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376270 Alfred Russel Wallace Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:03:20 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376270 Interesting to ponder whether such forthright clarity could ever be used to sort out the other 'outstanding' issues, such as Nanjing, 'comfort women'. Unit 731, etc. Interesting to ponder whether such forthright clarity could ever be used to sort out the other ‘outstanding’ issues, such as Nanjing, ‘comfort women’. Unit 731, etc.

]]> By: Aceface http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376268 Aceface Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:33:42 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376268 Well,Ozawa isn't that bad.At least he ain't LDP! Well,Ozawa isn’t that bad.At least he ain’t LDP!

]]> By: Joe http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376265 Joe Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:03:45 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376265 To make matters worse, Mr. Ozawa of the DPJ came back with a statement that Japan should demand an apology from the US government for the bomb. What the hell is this, China? Fortunately Abe stayed Victorian and said the best use of Japan's energies was to work toward disarmament. Phew. And we thought Aso was bad... who would want either Kyuma or Ozawa in power? To make matters worse, Mr. Ozawa of the DPJ came back with a statement that Japan should demand an apology from the US government for the bomb. What the hell is this, China?

Fortunately Abe stayed Victorian and said the best use of Japan’s energies was to work toward disarmament.

Phew. And we thought Aso was bad… who would want either Kyuma or Ozawa in power?

]]> By: Aceface http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376262 Aceface Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:22:06 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376262 The most interesting thing of all is this chap is from Nagasaki.... Even in Hiroshima were left has always been strong,the mayor Akiba(a Social Democrat)had appointed American for A-bomb memorial foundation.And he is intending to have some Asians who think A-bomb had ended the Japanese imperialism as the board member. So in a way Kyuma's statement is based on broad public consensus from both left and right and nothing to be accused of.It is a pity that history debate is politicized by all sphere of political arena. The most interesting thing of all is this chap is from Nagasaki….

Even in Hiroshima were left has always been strong,the mayor Akiba(a Social Democrat)had appointed American for A-bomb memorial foundation.And he is intending to have some Asians who think A-bomb had ended the Japanese imperialism as the board member.
So in a way Kyuma’s statement is based on broad public consensus from both left and right and nothing to be accused of.It is a pity that history debate is politicized by all sphere of political arena.

]]> By: Peter Pan http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/comment-page-1/#comment-376259 Peter Pan Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:15:45 +0000 http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/01/how-to-you-say-speak-victorian-in-japanese/#comment-376259 Right on. The truth will not save you from the apposition parties in Japan. It's really no suprise though when the same people are calling for Abe to step down and 'take responsibility' for the current nenkin problems that were created over 30 years ago, they just discovered while he was in office. It's funny though when they scream at him about his approval ratings, and they haven't managed to control the diet for practically 50 years. Not really a position to be talking. Right on.

The truth will not save you from the apposition parties in Japan. It’s really no suprise though when the same people are calling for Abe to step down and ‘take responsibility’ for the current nenkin problems that were created over 30 years ago, they just discovered while he was in office. It’s funny though when they scream at him about his approval ratings, and they haven’t managed to control the diet for practically 50 years. Not really a position to be talking.

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