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	<title>Comments on: Guilt by Ethnic&#160;Association?</title>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373737</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: backlash.  I doubt that&#039;s the whole reason or even a significant reason for these apologies.  Shin&#039;s _excuse_ may have nothing to do with his parentage, but much to do with &quot;his leadership position in the Korean American community.&quot;  I.e., it&#039;s politics, but it&#039;s politics shaped by the expectations of his community.  I found his reference to U.S. help to S. Korea to be very interesting, since most of the older generation Koreans practically venerate the U.S, out of that memory; but the younger generation does not.

No, I suspect that the need to apologize does not arise out of projection related to backlashes in Korea against foreigners, but out of racism.  It&#039;s not so much the type of racism that denigrates other races (although it might, in the case of the backlash Pavlov describes) as pride in one&#039;s own race.  It&#039;s a kind of racial monolithicism in practice:  the Virginia Tech shooter is as good as being a near-brother or even clone.  That he could have done what he did would then mean that the racial metrics would be pointing fingers back at all Koreans; it is shameful. The ROK Ambassador&#039;s suggestion that Korean-Americans re-join the U.S. mainstream is a pretty big clue, btw.  Interestingly, however, it&#039;s almost an admission that the Korean-American are not real S. Koreans, now, and should find a new identity; maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: backlash.  I doubt that&#8217;s the whole reason or even a significant reason for these apologies.  Shin&#8217;s <em>excuse</em> may have nothing to do with his parentage, but much to do with &#8220;his leadership position in the Korean American community.&#8221;  I.e., it&#8217;s politics, but it&#8217;s politics shaped by the expectations of his community.  I found his reference to <span class="caps">U.S. </span>help to S. Korea to be very interesting, since most of the older generation Koreans practically venerate the <span class="caps">U.S, </span>out of that memory; but the younger generation does not.</p>

<p>No, I suspect that the need to apologize does not arise out of projection related to backlashes in Korea against foreigners, but out of racism.  It&#8217;s not so much the type of racism that denigrates other races (although it might, in the case of the backlash Pavlov describes) as pride in one&#8217;s own race.  It&#8217;s a kind of racial monolithicism in practice:  the Virginia Tech shooter is as good as being a near-brother or even clone.  That he could have done what he did would then mean that the racial metrics would be pointing fingers back at all Koreans; it is shameful. The <span class="caps">ROK</span> Ambassador&#8217;s suggestion that Korean-Americans re-join the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>mainstream is a pretty big clue, btw.  Interestingly, however, it&#8217;s almost an admission that the Korean-American are not real S. Koreans, now, and should find a new identity; maybe not.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: subadei</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373727</link>
		<dc:creator>subadei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavlov3
 I rescind the &quot;redneck&quot; portion of my comment as it was a bit shallow and ill thought. However: 

The mass murder of 9/11 wasn&#039;t &quot;homegrown.&quot; It was, reasonably, perceived as a foreign attack carried out here. 

Should a Muslim migrate to America as a young child and then 14 years later commit mass murder I think the reaction might be a bit different.
While I believe the &quot;lack of backlash in light of 9/11 and other events is admirable&quot;:http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/01/domestic-cohesion-in-commenting-on-post.html  I&#039;m also not deaf to the &quot;dire&quot; warnings regarding &quot;Islam rising&quot; coming from various pundits. I think it&#039;d reach a crescendo in light of this scenario and I think you _would_ see a backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavlov3<br />
 I rescind the &#8220;redneck&#8221; portion of my comment as it was a bit shallow and ill thought. However: </p>

<p>The mass murder of 9/11 wasn&#8217;t &#8220;homegrown.&#8221; It was, reasonably, perceived as a foreign attack carried out here. </p>

<p>Should a Muslim migrate to America as a young child and then 14 years later commit mass murder I think the reaction might be a bit different.<br />
While I believe the <a href="http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/01/domestic-cohesion-in-commenting-on-post.html">lack of backlash in light of 9/11 and other events is admirable</a>  I&#8217;m also not deaf to the &#8220;dire&#8221; warnings regarding &#8220;Islam rising&#8221; coming from various pundits. I think it&#8217;d reach a crescendo in light of this scenario and I think you <em>would</em> see a backlash.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373726</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pavlov3

I&#039;d definitely like to hear more about your experiences on the border.  Too often I feel that people conduct political debate on national issues w/o understanding how the issues are lived by Americans in their daily lives.

It&#039;s hard for me to speak with authority on Mexican gangs an/or nationalists, b/c I live in Washington D.C.  about 2000 miles away from the area where immigration is a real issue.

You, on the other hand, live right in the thick of it.  You can provide a unique insight that most people lack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pavlov3</p>

<p>I&#8217;d definitely like to hear more about your experiences on the border.  Too often I feel that people conduct political debate on national issues w/o understanding how the issues are lived by Americans in their daily lives.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to speak with authority on Mexican gangs an/or nationalists, b/c I live in Washington <span class="caps">D.C.  </span>about 2000 miles away from the area where immigration is a real issue.</p>

<p>You, on the other hand, live right in the thick of it.  You can provide a unique insight that most people lack.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373713</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Lirelou, Shin was adopted by Euro-Americans as an infant -- so he has no excuse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Lirelou, Shin was adopted by Euro-Americans as an infant &#8212; so he has no excuse!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was recently Muslims that shot up people in Seattle and Salt Lake City and there was no backlash.  Like was mentioned before Mexicans commit crimes every day in America and no one is going off the deep end over it.  There are plenty of people like myself who don&#039;t like illegal immigration but I don&#039;t hate Mexicans because of it.  The racial backlash nonsense to me is becoming a self fullfilling prophecy because people want to change the topic from the killer to racism in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was recently Muslims that shot up people in Seattle and Salt Lake City and there was no backlash.  Like was mentioned before Mexicans commit crimes every day in America and no one is going off the deep end over it.  There are plenty of people like myself who don&#8217;t like illegal immigration but I don&#8217;t hate Mexicans because of it.  The racial backlash nonsense to me is becoming a self fullfilling prophecy because people want to change the topic from the killer to racism in America.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunbin, no one is blaming Korea or the Koreans, just curious as to the knee-jerk apologies in light of how they handle foreign crimes. As to your points:
1: No argument here, their condolences are appropriate and welcome, apologies are the strange part.
2: Your moral eqivalency is a little disturbing in the leap of logic necessary.  This leads to the x is Hitler type comments I hate.  What happened in Germany was a National movement, not an individual action, also the scale is horrifically different etc etc etc...
3: There are idiots in the US and the world that will make the association and no ammount of apologies will change their bad behavior it may even spur it.  (&quot;See, they even admit it&#039;s their fault.....let&#039;s get em.&quot;)  I don&#039;t see this as a part of the United States National character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunbin, no one is blaming Korea or the Koreans, just curious as to the knee-jerk apologies in light of how they handle foreign crimes. As to your points:<br />
1: No argument here, their condolences are appropriate and welcome, apologies are the strange part.<br />
2: Your moral eqivalency is a little disturbing in the leap of logic necessary.  This leads to the x is Hitler type comments I hate.  What happened in Germany was a National movement, not an individual action, also the scale is horrifically different etc etc etc&#8230;<br />
3: There are idiots in the US and the world that will make the association and no ammount of apologies will change their bad behavior it may even spur it.  (&#8221;See, they even admit it&#8217;s their fault&#8230;..let&#8217;s get em.&#8221;)  I don&#8217;t see this as a part of the United States National character.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw...you should put the spam arithmatic before the comment field, or somehow allow one to use back button without losing the typing.

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why are you guys blaming the koreans?

1. their ethnicity named in the press. they feel they want to say something
2. the german apologized to the jew, even though they all hate hitler.
3. there are indeed some people in this world or in US that could make such association, even though it may be tiny. so it is just safe for the koreans to speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw&#8230;you should put the spam arithmatic before the comment field, or somehow allow one to use back button without losing the typing.</p>

<p>&#8212;<br />
why are you guys blaming the koreans?</p>

<p>1. their ethnicity named in the press. they feel they want to say something<br />
2. the german apologized to the jew, even though they all hate hitler.<br />
3. there are indeed some people in this world or in US that could make such association, even though it may be tiny. so it is just safe for the koreans to speak out.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The perceived need to apologize for the crime of a fellow member of the &quot;minjeok&quot; has little to do with fear of a backlash and a lot to do with the traditional mores of Confucian societies. Representative Shin may be displaying signs of growing up in a typical immigrant household where the old country ends when you walk out the front door, and begins when you step back through it. Or, he may be apologizing because he knows that he&#039;s expected to do so from many in his electoral base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The perceived need to apologize for the crime of a fellow member of the &#8220;minjeok&#8221; has little to do with fear of a backlash and a lot to do with the traditional mores of Confucian societies. Representative Shin may be displaying signs of growing up in a typical immigrant household where the old country ends when you walk out the front door, and begins when you step back through it. Or, he may be apologizing because he knows that he&#8217;s expected to do so from many in his electoral base.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that Muslim Mass Murderers....I&#039;m sure I missed a few other typos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that Muslim Mass Murderers&#8230;.I&#8217;m sure I missed a few other typos.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373699</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subadei and chrisz, Mexicans kill Americans everday and vice versa, there is a flare up over immigration issues and some idiots take it further but no real persectuion.   I lived in Texas for over 5 years and a week did not go by where a Mexican did not either kill, attempt to kill, assault or rape a US Citizen. Keep in mind the US has between 5-30 million illegal aliens from Mexico and the average citizen knows that the majority are working hard to make a living.  Ergo no real persectution, having been personally robbed by a Mexican gang I can&#039;t say I don&#039;t have any hard feelings on the matter.

As to Muslim mass murders, there have been several in the US (when does it become mass? 3+) Post 911 and several more attempts, I won&#039;t say there has been no backlash, but there has been no mass persecutions as well.  I have yet to see the nationally televised demonstration of 10000+ hanging effigies of Muslims, tearing up Saudi flags or advocating the murder or deportation of all Muslims.  I don&#039;t see the establishments with &quot;no arab&quot; or &quot;no Muslim&quot; signs, please send me a picture, I have plenty from Korea of &quot;no foreigner&quot; and many of &quot;no American&quot;.  I also have some pretty cool photo shops of the WTC collapsing poking fun at Americans.

In short, your points are inflammatory and not based on reason at all.  There are some bad people in the US that will take advantage of the situation, but it will be very limited, not like some other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subadei and chrisz, Mexicans kill Americans everday and vice versa, there is a flare up over immigration issues and some idiots take it further but no real persectuion.   I lived in Texas for over 5 years and a week did not go by where a Mexican did not either kill, attempt to kill, assault or rape a US Citizen. Keep in mind the US has between 5-30 million illegal aliens from Mexico and the average citizen knows that the majority are working hard to make a living.  Ergo no real persectution, having been personally robbed by a Mexican gang I can&#8217;t say I don&#8217;t have any hard feelings on the matter.</p>

<p>As to Muslim mass murders, there have been several in the US (when does it become mass? 3+) Post 911 and several more attempts, I won&#8217;t say there has been no backlash, but there has been no mass persecutions as well.  I have yet to see the nationally televised demonstration of 10000+ hanging effigies of Muslims, tearing up Saudi flags or advocating the murder or deportation of all Muslims.  I don&#8217;t see the establishments with &#8220;no arab&#8221; or &#8220;no Muslim&#8221; signs, please send me a picture, I have plenty from Korea of &#8220;no foreigner&#8221; and many of &#8220;no American&#8221;.  I also have some pretty cool photo shops of the <span class="caps">WTC </span>collapsing poking fun at Americans.</p>

<p>In short, your points are inflammatory and not based on reason at all.  There are some bad people in the US that will take advantage of the situation, but it will be very limited, not like some other countries.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Safrang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safrang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologizing on behalf of one&#039;s co-religionists or compatriots makes no sense and it is, as the title of this post suggests, a mindless admission of guilt by ethnic-association. 

I am disappointed by the Korean community leaders&#039; apologizing for the incident. No doubt the incident was immensely tragic and will scar many lives and perhaps in the minds of a few will incite racial bias, but apologizing on behalf of a whole community for an individual who was abnormal by any cultural and societal standards puts everyone within that community, and all other communities that experience such events in an awkward position. 

As a Muslim for instance, I have found it disturbing that many right-wing talking heads such as Glenn Beck and others have time and again insinuated that Muslims are not sincere in their condemnation of terrorists and should somehow apologize on behalf of their cor-eligionists -never mind the fact that in so many cases those same co-religionists menace the lives of their fellow Muslims more than they do others&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologizing on behalf of one&#8217;s co-religionists or compatriots makes no sense and it is, as the title of this post suggests, a mindless admission of guilt by ethnic-association. </p>

<p>I am disappointed by the Korean community leaders&#8217; apologizing for the incident. No doubt the incident was immensely tragic and will scar many lives and perhaps in the minds of a few will incite racial bias, but apologizing on behalf of a whole community for an individual who was abnormal by any cultural and societal standards puts everyone within that community, and all other communities that experience such events in an awkward position. </p>

<p>As a Muslim for instance, I have found it disturbing that many right-wing talking heads such as Glenn Beck and others have time and again insinuated that Muslims are not sincere in their condemnation of terrorists and should somehow apologize on behalf of their cor-eligionists -never mind the fact that in so many cases those same co-religionists menace the lives of their fellow Muslims more than they do others&#8217;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ckrirsz makes a point that I was wondering about myself.

If the shooter had been Muslim or Mexican, I think Americans would be justified in asking if his actions reflected the desire of factions within those identity groups.

There is plenty of evidence of the existence of both radical Muslims and Mexican Nationalists in America, and while I don&#039;t endorse the lynch mob mentality that would inevitably arise in such a situation, i would desire an investigation to determine if the crime was motivated by the goals of such radical groups.

It is rather refreshing to hear the Korean government encourage their American diaspora to recommit themselves to American society.  Whether the Korean officials are merely playing lip service I cannot tell, but it does the Koreans credit that they would seek to make amends and recommit themselves to American society.

Does anyone think, had the shooter been any of the above mentioned identity groups, that a similar response would be forthcoming?  If not, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ckrirsz makes a point that I was wondering about myself.</p>

<p>If the shooter had been Muslim or Mexican, I think Americans would be justified in asking if his actions reflected the desire of factions within those identity groups.</p>

<p>There is plenty of evidence of the existence of both radical Muslims and Mexican Nationalists in America, and while I don&#8217;t endorse the lynch mob mentality that would inevitably arise in such a situation, i would desire an investigation to determine if the crime was motivated by the goals of such radical groups.</p>

<p>It is rather refreshing to hear the Korean government encourage their American diaspora to recommit themselves to American society.  Whether the Korean officials are merely playing lip service I cannot tell, but it does the Koreans credit that they would seek to make amends and recommit themselves to American society.</p>

<p>Does anyone think, had the shooter been any of the above mentioned identity groups, that a similar response would be forthcoming?  If not, why?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: subadei</title>
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		<dc:creator>subadei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get the ethnic or national connection. He&#039;d been in the US for the majority of his life and whatever demons crawled about in his head were born of his uber-cynicism regarding the culture around him. Funny though, CNN helped this &quot;projection&quot; shit along by visiting his hometown even his old residence in Korea. Ridiculous.

ckrisz makes a good point though. If this had been a Muslim immigrant we&#039;d likely see a backlash starting with neo-con pundits and maybe ending at the business end of a some rednecks fist, baseball bat or even firearm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the ethnic or national connection. He&#8217;d been in the US for the majority of his life and whatever demons crawled about in his head were born of his uber-cynicism regarding the culture around him. Funny though, <span class="caps">CNN </span>helped this &#8220;projection&#8221; shit along by visiting his hometown even his old residence in Korea. Ridiculous.</p>

<p>ckrisz makes a good point though. If this had been a Muslim immigrant we&#8217;d likely see a backlash starting with neo-con pundits and maybe ending at the business end of a some rednecks fist, baseball bat or even firearm.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aceface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aceface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as far as I concern two muder case of English women in Japan in the past decade,UK media heavily connect the crime with Japanese cultural and social aspects.Same goes to the comments in the blogsphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as far as I concern two muder case of English women in Japan in the past decade,UK media heavily connect the crime with Japanese cultural and social aspects.Same goes to the comments in the blogsphere.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ckrisz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckrisz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if Cho had been (1) Muslim or Arab (2) Mexican.

It&#039;s not all projection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if Cho had been (1) Muslim or Arab (2) Mexican.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s not all projection.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373674</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a subscriber to the &quot;projection&quot; theory.  I just can&#039;t see a backlash against Koreans happening because of this in America.  After a few seconds of watching video of Cho&#039;s manifesto, it&#039;s pretty clear that the guy batshit insane and on another planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a subscriber to the &#8220;projection&#8221; theory.  I just can&#8217;t see a backlash against Koreans happening because of this in America.  After a few seconds of watching video of Cho&#8217;s manifesto, it&#8217;s pretty clear that the guy batshit insane and on another planet.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373670</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, sorry, that last comment of mine needs some editing. Even having an idiot-proof edit function here to preview a post beforehand didn&#039;t stop me this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, sorry, that last comment of mine needs some editing. Even having an idiot-proof edit function here to preview a post beforehand didn&#8217;t stop me this time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373669</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that there will be some serious backlash against Koreans in the US is crap. As some commenters on the Marmot&#039;s Hole blog have suggested, this idea may be projection on the part of Koreans who know from experience of what has happened in Korea in the past in response to supposed &#039;crimes&#039; by foreigners as noted by Pavlov3 above. Some Koreans may fear that Americans will overreact in the same ridiculous over-the-top way that many Koreans and the Korean media did in response to such incidents as the one involving the two girls and to other similar incidents in Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that there will be some serious backlash against Koreans in the US is crap. As some commenters on the Marmot&#8217;s Hole blog have suggested, this idea may be projection on the part of Koreans who know from experience of what has happened in Korea in the past in response to supposed &#8216;crimes&#8217; by foreigners as noted by Pavlov3 above. Some Koreans may fear that Americans will overreact in the same ridiculous over-the-top way that many Koreans and the Korean media did in response to such incidents as the one involving the two girls and to other similar incidents in Korea.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zegan</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373668</link>
		<dc:creator>zegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cultural disconnect really fascinates me, is this obsession with apologies something indicative of eastern culture? or does the rest of the world just see the US as vindictive xenophobic yahoos?  I don&#039;t think the concept of the apology carries much weight in U.S. culture, just ask Imus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cultural disconnect really fascinates me, is this obsession with apologies something indicative of eastern culture? or does the rest of the world just see the US as vindictive xenophobic yahoos?  I don&#8217;t think the concept of the apology carries much weight in <span class="caps">U.S. </span>culture, just ask Imus.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373667</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is absolutely ridiculous that Koreans or Korean-Americans are apologizing for the actions of some nutty loser, just because he happens to be of the same ethnicity. There is no need whatsoever for Koreans to apologize for this piece of crap.

Is this a trend whereby people feel that they need to apologize for everything? It seems that the apologia wagon train has been in full swing in recent times with the neverending demand from Korea and China that the Japanese apologize, apologies for slavery, etc. Is this an extension of the &#039;please don&#039;t hate me, I feel guilty and apologize&#039; meme that seems so common in Western liberals, even when one has no reason to apologize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is absolutely ridiculous that Koreans or Korean-Americans are apologizing for the actions of some nutty loser, just because he happens to be of the same ethnicity. There is no need whatsoever for Koreans to apologize for this piece of crap.</p>

<p>Is this a trend whereby people feel that they need to apologize for everything? It seems that the apologia wagon train has been in full swing in recent times with the neverending demand from Korea and China that the Japanese apologize, apologies for slavery, etc. Is this an extension of the &#8216;please don&#8217;t hate me, I feel guilty and apologize&#8217; meme that seems so common in Western liberals, even when one has no reason to apologize?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373665</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is Korean projection.   They think Americans are prone to the lynch mob mentality that they have.
 
In 2002 an armored vehicle ran over two school girls in Korea.  It was an accident and a tragedy.  Korean papers and activists demanded the driver and commander be charged with premeditated murder.  USFK, the Secretary of State and even President Bush appologized repeatedly for the accident but all were deemed insuffient.  Entertainers shaved their heads on TV, huge crowds (10,000+) gathered for midnight vigils an tore up huge American flags or burned them.  Korean mobs defaced US Garrisons, destroyed personal property and rained stones worse onto US soldiers.  Foreigners were regularly beaten including if I recall correctly an Italian man whose Korean friends had to shield from a mob.  A popular shirt popped up later &quot;I&#039;m Canadian&quot;.  It was a very unpleasant time to say the least.  I was peronally referred to as a &quot;Mejae nom, or kaesaki&quot; by all walks of life, even by a 12 year old girl. (American Bastard and Son of a Bi***)  I was denied service several times and had the pleasure of getting a huge wad of phlem spit all over my right leg on the subway.  Some other idiot punched me in the back as I walked through a crowd.

Cho was scum.  His nationality is irrelevant.  The second he pulled the trigger my sympathy for him went to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is Korean projection.   They think Americans are prone to the lynch mob mentality that they have.<br />
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In 2002 an armored vehicle ran over two school girls in Korea.  It was an accident and a tragedy.  Korean papers and activists demanded the driver and commander be charged with premeditated murder.  <span class="caps">USFK, </span>the Secretary of State and even President Bush appologized repeatedly for the accident but all were deemed insuffient.  Entertainers shaved their heads on <span class="caps">TV, </span>huge crowds (10,000+) gathered for midnight vigils an tore up huge American flags or burned them.  Korean mobs defaced US Garrisons, destroyed personal property and rained stones worse onto US soldiers.  Foreigners were regularly beaten including if I recall correctly an Italian man whose Korean friends had to shield from a mob.  A popular shirt popped up later &#8220;I&#8217;m Canadian&#8221;.  It was a very unpleasant time to say the least.  I was peronally referred to as a &#8220;Mejae nom, or kaesaki&#8221; by all walks of life, even by a 12 year old girl. (American Bastard and Son of a Bi***)  I was denied service several times and had the pleasure of getting a huge wad of phlem spit all over my right leg on the subway.  Some other idiot punched me in the back as I walked through a crowd.</p>

<p>Cho was scum.  His nationality is irrelevant.  The second he pulled the trigger my sympathy for him went to zero.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rommel</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2007/04/19/guilt-by-ethnic-association/comment-page-1/#comment-373663</link>
		<dc:creator>Rommel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost feel ashamed that the Koreans believe they must apologize for the behavior of this lone nutjob who is in all fairness as much or more an American than he was a Korean. 
Does anybody know if the Saudis, Egyptians or other Arab ambassadors apologized to the United States after 9/11?
It&#039;s possible that they did and in my opinion completely reasonable to expect at least the Saudis to have apologized. 

However, I cringed at 
&quot;In fact, if there is any group that seems &quot;predisposed&quot;Ã‚? to this sort of violence in the United States, it&#039;s not foreign Asian students, it&#039;s white males&quot;

Mass killings are statistically such a rare phenomenon I find it absurd that any ethnic demographic can be pegged as &quot;predisposed&quot; to commit such an atrocity. If we absolutely must assign blame, it seems to me at least slightly more rational to consider societal and economic factors above racial ones. 
That said, I think its fair to assume that the gender of the killer is a male 99% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost feel ashamed that the Koreans believe they must apologize for the behavior of this lone nutjob who is in all fairness as much or more an American than he was a Korean. <br />
Does anybody know if the Saudis, Egyptians or other Arab ambassadors apologized to the United States after 9/11?<br />
It&#8217;s possible that they did and in my opinion completely reasonable to expect at least the Saudis to have apologized. </p>

<p>However, I cringed at <br />
&#8220;In fact, if there is any group that seems &#8220;predisposed&#8221;&Atilde;‚? to this sort of violence in the United States, it&#8217;s not foreign Asian students, it&#8217;s white males&#8221;</p>

<p>Mass killings are statistically such a rare phenomenon I find it absurd that any ethnic demographic can be pegged as &#8220;predisposed&#8221; to commit such an atrocity. If we absolutely must assign blame, it seems to me at least slightly more rational to consider societal and economic factors above racial ones. <br />
That said, I think its fair to assume that the gender of the killer is a male 99% of the time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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