In research for my last post, I found this map on Wikipedia, a political demarcation of France from 1940-1944 under Nazi German occupation.

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Lexington Green added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 2:51 amI’d like to see a map showing where there was the most resistance and the most collaboration—not sure how that would be determined—and see what that was corellated with.
spaniard added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 4:03 amThe most resistance was in Vichy zone, especially in the midi (the south), full of spanish reds (a hooray for them :) ). In Paris and the atlantic coast was a lot of intelligence collecting work.
Chief Wiggum added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 4:46 amI didn’t realize that Italy occupied part of France. That must have been really embarrassing for the French.
a517dogg added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 6:19 amIt’d also be interesting to superimpose that map over a map showing the survival rates for Jews.
Rommel added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 3:03 pmWhat’s up with the Belgium-administered zone? Did the Nazis give them the rest of Flanders or what?
A.E. added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 6:58 pmIt’s not surprising that Alsace-Lorraine was put under direct German control.
Dan tdaxp added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 9:07 pm
The most resistance was in Vichy zone, especially in the midi (the south), full of spanish reds (a hooray for them :) ).Was the Vichy government software on resistors than the German occupied zone? (I would imagine so.)
Consul-At-Arms added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 9:53 pmChief Wiggum:
Not so surprising that Italy occupied the parts of France closest to it, considering that Italy actually invaded France (after the Germans did).
Churchill had a good one-liner about it, something like: “The hand that held the dagger has plunged it into his neighbor’s back.”
Or words to that effect.
Brian added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 10:12 pmI know that Alsace and Lorraine regions have considerable Germanic population. What was their opinion about German occupation of their regions? What is their attitude to Germany in general?
Kevin added these pithy words on 22 Feb 07 at 12:08 amMy great aunt was French in North Africa during WWII; one of her brothers left for the French Resistance and never made it home. She has some very interesting stories…..
lirelou added these pithy words on 22 Feb 07 at 12:36 amBrian, the Alsatiens who served in the German Army in WWII were known as “malgre nous” (loosely: “against our wishes”). The war memorial in Strassbourg depicts a mother grieving over two slain sons. One looks east into France, and one looks west into Germany. Perhaps an Alsatien will come up on the net and address your last question. My tourist impression was that Alsatiens are German in language and culture, but French by choice. I recall a painting of three Alsatien sisters under the first German occupation. Each wore a solid color dress: blue, white, and red. So when they stood together, their loyalties were on display. Bismarck, by the way, opposed keeping Alsace-Lorraine after the Franco-Prussian war, but was overruled. As I recall, he regarded it as an act that the French would never forgive, and therefore something that would poison Franco-German relations for decades to come, but I wonder how much was based upon his evaluation of the political sentiment of the population.
spaniard added these pithy words on 26 Feb 07 at 5:23 pm“Was the Vichy government software on resistors than the German occupied zone? (I would imagine so.)” (Dan tdaxp)
Exactly. But that doesn’t mean that prosecution of maquisards and guerrilleros in the Vichy zone was ‘soft’. It just simply means that the one carried out by the germans in the territories directly ruled by them was extremely hard. There was a constant ‘traffic’ of people between the two zones: Resistance members entering the german occupied zone and leaving after. And also normal people trying to flee. The Vichy zone was the ‘sanctuary’, but just a partial one cause there was also an intense repression. In fact, in the Vichy zone the colaborationist authorities and the Gestapo were very active as the spanish members of the FFI remember very well cause they had to suffer it. And also existed a french fascist paramilitar group (‘The Militia’) which was simply brutal in its treatment of the Resistance. When the FFI got bigger and more dangerous, the germans finally ocuppied the rest of France. But it was too late to stop the bold actions of the maquis, cause they (the maquis) were just waiting for D-Day. The german massacres of civil population in revenge for the Resistance operations reached so a criminal intensity that the Allies ordered the Resistance groups to cease in this type of work and to only make intelligence collecting, but the attacks continued.
dda added these pithy words on 27 Feb 07 at 1:21 pm“Was the Vichy government software on resistors [...]”
Hardware on capacitors?
I think you meant softer on resisters. And the answer is not so.
Also, this map is only valid until 1942. After which Germany invaded the southern part of France and closed up Vichy’s sorry excuse of a government.
lirelou added these pithy words on 14 Mar 07 at 7:12 amFor the Spaniard: An interesting local history write up on Gerois who fought in WWII. It includes a table breaking down the numbers within the FFI, and includes the Spaniards of the U.N.E.
spaniard added these pithy words on 17 Mar 07 at 7:59 pmThank you very much, lirelou, for that link ;). The U.N.E. (_Unión Nacional Española_ or ‘National Spanish Union’) was probably the strongest ‘spanish only’ organisation in France. In its moment of maximum force (last months of 1944) was able to raise a force of 5000-7000 guerrilleros and a similar number of supporters and collaborators to try an invasion of Spain by the Aran Valley and other secondary routes (they called it ‘Operation Reconquista’ ).
This invasion tried to occupy the valley mentioned above to create a little ‘spanish liberated zone’ intended to press the Allies to get into aSpain and end with Franco’s dictatorship. They also thought that spanish people was waiting an opportunity to raise against Franco’s goverment and so they were trying to start that rebellion. But Franco was perfectly informed about all this and has disposed the army by the border. Added to that point, the civil population was divided, terrified and very much tired of war and blood and they didn´t offer the intense supporting the guerrilleros waited, so the invasion crashed with a lot of casualties. Most of the guerrilleros returned to France. In despite of this, some columns were able to join the guerrillas which were echados al monte (‘in rebellion in the hills’) since 1939.
There is something that must be pointed out about the UNE. The UNE was mainly communist, a creature of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain) but was not just a ‘organisation of communists’: there were members of other political ideas ‘under its umbrella’. The UNE, in its origins, was a project of the PCE to join forces with all the others ‘spanish-only’ resistance organisations, with the Operation Reconquista in mind, but failed in this goal: the communists were not very much ‘popular’ by those days for the other spanish republicanos. In the french Resistance existed other spanish guerrillas (with an anarchist, socialist, et al, ‘soul’) and there were a lot of spaniards who were in the ranks of french groups. In fact, the first spanish resister who was captured
and executedby the germans (in Paris), as soon as January or February of 1942, was a member of a french comité.
