The alleged Armenian Genocide is a well known topic and that Armenia has a national genocide day is also public knowledge. Yet, who among our readers could have guessed that neighboring Azerbaijan has its own genocide day? Yes, the 31st of March has been designated such to commemorate the massacres of Muslims in Baku in 1918. Thomas de Waal explains,
“Few people know that roughly fifty thousand Azerbaijanis were deported from Armenia in the 1940s. Before that, thousands of Azerbaijanis died in the bloody conflicts of 1918-1920. In 1998, President Aliev stitched these disparate events together in order to proclaim Azerbaijan’s Genocide Day.[...] The choice of the word “Genocide” to link the events suggested, however, that the commemoration was less about the past than about present-day politics. The message was, if Armenia could have a Genocide Day, then why should Azerbaijan not have one too? By using the term, Aliev had initiated a duel of the martyred nations.”
The mere idea of a genocide competition is indicative of the state of relations between the two neighbors and the fight for international sympathy. Just as the Palestinians have invented their own so-called genocide, so too have the Azerbaijanis. Unsurprisingly, their attempt has been barely recognized.
Like other mixed countries such as Cyprus, violence between ethnic groups was always at its worst when the respective empire was weakest. Thus, once the Ottomans folded and the British began leaving, Turkish and Greek Cypriots went at it. The same can be said for Armenia and Azerbaijan whose conflict began shortly before and played a large role in precipitation the fall of the USSR. The idea of ethnic nation states has been dodgy at best. In fact, the most successful countries are those with no ethnicity at all such as America, Canada and Australia. Throughout history, empires have been the norm and on the whole far more successful in the big picture than bloody.
Coincidentally, I will actually be in Azerbaijan on the 31st of March and hopefully will be able to witness the mourning and day’s events which I’ll naturally fill Coming Anarchy readers in on. The Armenian Genocide Day is almost a month later on April 24th which I’ll will probably just miss. Imagine, two Genocide Days in one month’s time and on one trip!
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Armenia » Blog Archive » Armenia: land of bisexuality added these pithy words on Feb 16 07 at 7:46 am[...] The alleged Armenian Genocide is a well known topic and that Armenia has a national genocide day is also public knowledge. Yet, who among our readers could have guessed that neighboring Azerbaijan has its own genocide day? … – more – [...]
Chief Wiggum added these pithy words on 16 Feb 07 at 12:01 amThe only question now is will those dates become Hallmark holidays?
dogbert added these pithy words on 16 Feb 07 at 12:37 amI have visited Azerbaijan; it is a fascinating country and you will find many people eager to tell you their side of the story.
Arsen added these pithy words on 16 Feb 07 at 3:32 pmHow great! Another lie of Turk/Azeri to deny the Armenian Genocide. It is getting funny now, but please continue I always could use a laugh.
Baltadjian Haig added these pithy words on 16 Feb 07 at 8:29 pmThis is a typical proof of IGNORANCE AND HATRED.
It is a shame to propagate lies. In 1915, 1.5 Armenians have been annihilated from the face of the world, from their Homeland for 3,000 years, and still some people choose to ignore it.
What a Shame for Humanity if there is one? Very soon the TRUTH shall prevail.
Armen Armenian added these pithy words on 17 Feb 07 at 2:55 amTell me who controls Turky & US, I tell you who you are!
Curzon added these pithy words on 17 Feb 07 at 4:08 amAhh, another post on Armenian modern history predictably brings out every nut and their grandmother from the woodwork. (You should have seen some of the comments I deleted in moderation.) Are you guys competing with Korea for the status as world’s craziest netizens?
du & deine mutti added these pithy words on 17 Feb 07 at 11:38 pmThe author of this article is a moron, as well as the people who allowed him/her to post this bs.
patrick added these pithy words on 18 Feb 07 at 8:06 amLooks like our Azeri friend wants us to believe that Armenia is the “land of bisexuality.” LOL. And I have absolutely no idea what “Armen Armenian” is trying to say.
As for the truth to these claims, I know that just during the Karabagh conflict, Armenians have committed atrocities against Azeris (Khojali), and Azeris committed atrocities against Armenians (Sumgait and Baku). On the other hand, I do not believe that any of these acts on either side compare (in scale, organization, or planning) to the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turkey during World War I.
Curzon, I know you knew this thread would attract nutbuckets on both sides. ;) Remember Serdar Argic?
In the early 1990s, any time anybody posted any message with the words “armenia” or “turkey” in it on Usenet (even if the word “turkey” was used in discussions of Thanksgiving dinner), replies would inevitably arrive laden with insults directed at the original poster (e.g. “your criminal Armenian grandparents”) and long, rambling screeds about how Armenians had committed genocide against Turks. People soon figured out that it was a bot program written by someone (presumably a Turk) calling himself Serdar Argic.
Curzon added these pithy words on 18 Feb 07 at 9:41 amNever heard of that before Patrick, thank you. Very interesting.
von Kaufman-Turkestansky added these pithy words on 18 Feb 07 at 2:34 pmAnd it became impossible to find a Thanksiving Dinner recipe without enduring a torrent of abuse… This ties in nicely with the Machine is US/ING Us.
Hellektor added these pithy words on 20 Feb 07 at 1:01 amIntroduction: the Forgery and the Naming Deception of Fake “Azerbaijan”Â?
The artificially fabricated bogus state of fake “Azerbaijan”Â? was fraudulently counterfeited on Armenian territory in 1918 to forge an extension for the Ottoman Tyranny in the Caucasus with a non-negligible amount of help from the Bolshevik leaders whose red star was rapidly rising.
In pursuit of its delirious pan-turkist ideology of “uniting”Â? the tribes of Turkic origin from Finland to the Wall of China, the Turkish state has steadfastly clung to its number one priority of the total elimination of an Armenian state of any size, shape or form. The present day (2007) illegal embargo, imposed on the Republic of Armenia since 1992, the very days Armenians gained the upper hand in the “Azeri”Â? perpetrated war on the people of Artsakh (Karabakh), who the “Azeris”Â? claim to be the citizens of fake “Azerbaijan”Â?, is the blatant evidence that the oozing stench of the poisonous cesspool of pan-Turkism is as repugnant today as it was in 1915. The Armenian genocide of 1894-1923 was indeed the result of this same policy.
When the Frankenstein monster was dumped from the putrefied Turco-Bolshevik womb, Nouri Pasha, the head of the Turkish army that had invaded the Caucasus and the half sibling of Enver, one of the architects of the Armenian Genocide, called the newborn nonentity “Azerbaijan”Â? after the region in north-west of Iran: the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan-Aturpatekan-Aturpayegan). What has happened since, comes to confirm the malevolent intentions of the Turks at the time of this naming trickery. Protests followed from some patriotic Iranians who were willing to give up their 2200 year old right to the name Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) and call their province Azadestan in order not to be associated with the newly created fictitious “nation”“¦
Two decades later, in a manner of lavishing a term of endearment on oneself, this factitiously constructed “nation”Â? called itself “Azeri”Â?, a nation that has never existed throughout human history. They were called Tatars before 1918 after the region fell under Russian rule in the 19th century and that was a promotion because earlier these tribal nomads distinguished one another from the color of their sheep.
Azari is a term that was used by some Islamic historians to describe the [I]language[/I] of the people of the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan), north-west of Iran and always south of the Arax River. It was a language of the [I]Persian[/I] family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Atrpatakan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to differentiate it from other Pahlavi dialects. Later when the people of Atrpatakan were forced to become speakers of Turkish under tyrannical domination of invading hordes of Mongolo-Tatar barbarians that ravaged the cradles of civilization west of the Caspian from the 11th century onward, the word Azari was mistakenly attributed to the Turkish dialect of these people, but never to the people themselves.
Later in 1921, after a passionate copulation between the suspected Doenme-Jew Kemal and the Jew-Tatar Lenin, under the supervision of that Armenian hating, psychopathic, mass-murdering Georgian homophagian, Joseph David Dzhugashvili (Jewison), a.k.a. Stalin, Armenia, who had suffered the most horrific tragedy in her history only a few years before, was sacrificed once again for the interests of newly forged Turco-Bolshevik “brotherhood”Â? and the Armenian provinces of Artsakh and Nakhijevan were illegally annexed to the Frankenstein monster and Kars, Ardahan, Ardvin and Surmalu that had never been a part of Ottoman Tyranny, (our beautiful Ani that has been savagely destroyed since and our most sacred symbol, mount Ararat were included in the package) were offered to Turkey”¦ just like that. The treacherous Moscow/Kars treaty of 1921 and the subsequent persecutions of Armenians in Nakhijevan and Artsakh may be considered the root cause of the Artsakh movement in 1988 that even by the Admission of anti-Armenian Gorbachev shook the foundations of the Soviet “Union”Â?.
Michael added these pithy words on 20 Feb 07 at 6:19 pmA while back, it occured to me that much good could be accomplished if the US encouraged the Turkish and Armenian governments to sit down and work up a common version of what really happened, like the French and Germans did.
Right now, it occurs to me that doing so would get it accused by half the screamers on the Internet of anti-Turkish conspiracy, and by the other half of anti-Armenian conspiracy!
Hellektor added these pithy words on 20 Feb 07 at 11:44 pmIt seems the Turkish propaganda of repeating lies ad nauseum does work after all.
Michael, there are thousand upon thousands of documents, eyewitness accounts of people from neutral countries, video taped survivor accounts, confessional documents from Turks who participated in the monstrosities, newspaper articles among which 145 from the New York Times, etc., etc., etc.
I cannot force you to go and read books about the subject but please refrain from parroting the Turks when you don’t know a thing about the Armenian Genocide.
You’re talking as if Turks are like civilized Germans who gave Beethovens, Bachs, Mozarts, Schuberts, Gutenbergs, Goethes, etc. to this world and went mad for a decade or so then regretted it time and again.
Turks are nothing like that. They are absolutely not interested in the truth. History is utterly irrelevant to them. They’ll tell you Chingiz was the Santa Clause himself. With such savages there’s no point in arguing like civilized human beings, their constant nagging of “let’s set up a group of historians to decide what happened”Â? is just to buy time. The historians have already decided and there are countless books on the subject that confirm the Armenian Genocide.
The funniest thing about your post which shows how uninformed you are is that you talk about “Turkish and Armenian governments to sit down and work up a common version of what really happened”Â?. The thing is there are no relations between these two governments because of the illegal Turkish blockade on Armenia. In fact, the Armenian government is constantly reiterating their point of view that they are ready to start relations without preconditions and are for dialog on the issue on a governmental, POLITICAL level rather than “leaving history to HISTORIANS”Â? the crap regurgitated by the Turks. The Turks demand that the Armenians forget about the Genocide and give Artsakh to fake “Azerbaijan”Â? to lift their own blockade and this shows they are not a bit interested in discussion.
I’ll tell you this: even if there wasn’t a single document the very fact that Armenians who lived for thousands of years in their homeland were completely wiped off Ottoman occupied Armenia is proof enough that the Armenian Genocide happened.
Michael added these pithy words on 21 Feb 07 at 11:34 pmHmm, had a feeling a response like this was going to come my way. . .
This, or some equally hot-headed Turk accusing me of being an “Armenian puppet” or some such nonsense. I AM NOT denying that the Armenian Genocide happened! I’m questioning whether the use of the Genocide as a political football does anyone- the Armenians included- any good.Here’s the situation, as I understand it. I won’t pretend to be an authority on the subject, this is just my impression from the occasional news article on the subject; someone please provide the citations if I’m in error. The Turkish public, to my knowledge, hasn’t been told the truth of matters and doesn’t want the truth any more than ANY people with that kind of ugliness in their history. They see the whole thing as an excuse for foreigners to bash them. The Armenians, as you yourself have noted, are in conflict not just with them but with the Georgians and the Azeris. Much of western Europe, meanwhile, between memories of the Siege of Vienna, concerns about waves of Turkish immigrants and general xenophobia, sees the Genocide (along with their issues with the Kurds) as a good reason to keep them out of the EU.
Because of this, you’re pretty much estranged from most of your neighbors in a very dangerous neighborhood. You’re too busy fighting each other to deal with a Russia that still sees you as their turf. The Turks are becoming alienated from much of the West at precisely the time when we need their help (and that of as much of the Islamic world as possible) the most. And the EU- in a blind panic over demographics, economics and terrorism- is cutting itself off from its best chance of ensuring that neither the Siege of Vienna nor the Genocide happen again.
“You’re talking as if Turks are like civilized Germans who gave Beethovens, Bachs, Mozarts, Schuberts, Gutenbergs, Goethes, etc. to this world and went mad for a decade or so then regretted it time and again.” Study that part of European history a bit closer. The Prussians- and, by extention, the Germany they united- were strong militarists who were already passionately disliked by the French when Hitler was still a Corporal in the Austrian army. When the French and Germans sat down to hash out a common history of their peoples, it wasn’t out of mutual love and admiration, it was to keep a third World War from breaking out between them! It’s out of similar necessity that I thought that encouraging a dialogue between the Turks and Armenians would be a good idea. To force the Turks to confront the darkness in their own history, break down the walls between you and one of your neighbors, and to give us the ally we need. If that means putting pressure, and offering incentives, to both of you to send your scholars to that table and to accept their conclusions, so be it.
As for the question of Turkish savagery, I point out this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6292929.stm
It was Turks who killed Dink, but it was also Turks who mourned him, and who allowed an Armenian population to still exist within their borders. I also ask one, non-rhetorical question; have you ever actually known anybody from Turkey? I’ve met several, grad students as well as a professor at my university. If they’re bloodthirsty demons, they’ve managed to hide their body count quite well (it’s not a large university, nor a large city):PIf you want to see me as a Turkish puppet, go ahead. Just ask your self what prospects for the future a black-and-white worldview gives you.
Hellektor added these pithy words on 23 Feb 07 at 2:09 amDear Michael,
I give you the benefit of the doubt, i.e. I consider that you are no Turk. Man this is going to be a long night and I’ll have to type until tomorrow morning. I only hope you’ll be able to see things just a bit differently. By the way, are you an Englishman (in case you are no Turk)? I ask this because historically the English have had some curious fascination for the Turks. On different Armenian forums I have criticized this very harshly although I love many things English which I’d be delighted to recount if you are interested.
Man… Where do I start? Let me be harsh, that’s how I am on the forums and some like my attitude some resent it, of course I’m talking about mainly Armenian forum posters.
First of all, let me tell you the Armenian Genocide issue has nothing to do with Armenians wanting to manipulate Turkey politically. An unspeakable monstrosity has befallen us and the wounds are still open. Almost every Armenian suffers daily because of this and because of the indifference of the world to this unbearable pain. Instead of recognizing the Armenian Genocide and condemning the perpetrators by demanding restoration, the westerners are concerned with economical issues, as it shows in your post, and are fooled that the Turks can ever be civilized. Turkey IS a deeply Islamic society and the couple of cities like occupied Constantinople and the tourist resorts are only the façade. I am stupefied how the Europeans are unable to see this.
For me personally it is the issue of our homeland. The savages have taken 90% of Armenia using the most barbaric methods. Until 92 years ago, millions of Armenians were living in their homeland for thousands of years. Although the Turkic plague halted the natural progress of our civilization for 9 centuries, yet the atrocity this vermin brought upon us and most of all upon our culture, inflicted unfathomable damage that can never be repaired.
So why should we forget? I want my home back and I want it rat and cockroach free. The treaty of Sèvres (1920), signed by the losers, the Ottomans, and the winners of WWI and Armenia, gives us the right to 30% of our homeland. Turkey has refused to address this issue and the subsequent Lausanne treaty (1923) “forgot”Â? any mention of Armenia and the Armenians because the West and the Bolsheviks found out the savages were worth more than a million dead Armenians. However, since the borders of the Armenia of Sèvres were drawn by Woodrow Wilson and the US has not signed the Lausanne treaty, this means that technically speaking the US does not recognize Turkey. The Sèvres treaty is legally binding and it’s your DUTY to force the sides to enforce it according to your own western laws.
I have said in many a forum post that I am absolutely for Turkey to enter EU. Why? Because I believe while the West is unable to learn from history they also deserve to taste the cold blade of the Turkish scimitar on their necks and the hot gushes of Turkish Delight up their exhaust pipes.
I believe the moment Turkey enters EU, the countdown to the annihilation of the European civilization will start. If it took 9 centuries to completely turkify Armenia and Asia Minor and that by genocidal methods, I give less than two centuries for Europe to become completely Turkish, seeing the indifference of the Europeans and their “optimism”Â? regarding the Turks. So if by 2200 AD they say that Mozart, Beethoven, Da Vinci, Shakespeare, Goethe, Rembrandt, etc., are in fact Turks, do not be surprised. Since Turks believe they are descendants of a gray wolf, for instance they will prove beyond an iota of a doubt that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart’s real name was (Wolf) Genghis Ahmadyussof Mutisarrif and they’ll cite “a la Turca”Â? as proof of his being Turkish. All of this of course in a best case scenario, in a more realistic view there will be nothing left of the European culture anymore by that time.
In my view Turks are a uniquely monstrous phenomenon. Not only they don’t accept their bloody “history”Â?, not only they don’t show a nanogram of remorse, they completely falsify history and give a 180 degrees twisted version of history where it’s the Armenians who committed genocide against the Turks. They always project their barbarities on the Armenians and claim the goodness of the Armenians who actually contributed immeasurably to the Ottoman Tyranny in every imaginable way.
Somehow the Turks are great in politics (read cunning). They have succeeded in fooling the West into believing that they are important and indispensible. Turkey is like an old and ugly prostitute that somehow manages to sell herself for an exaggerated high price… They have neither oil nor other important resources. Culturally they are as backward as they were when they invaded our regions.
What I don’t understand is the fear of the West from the “white”Â?, Christian Russians who are much closer to the Europeans culturally, racially, religiously, etc. and their unconditional trust in the savage, barbaric, nomadic, rape crazy, cities to cinders razing, buildings to rubble reducing, babies against rocks hurling, churches and houses torching, bloodthirsty, primitive, tent-dwelling, cattle-herder, Ural-Altaic, Mongolo-Tatar, Oghuz-Turkmen, Kipchak-Kutugur-Gokturk, two-legged Human Civilization-deficiency Viruses.
Yes I have known Turks personally and this has nothing to do with INDIVIDUALS. For us and for many others who suffered under the Empire of Rape the concept TURK represents the darkest and deadliest possible cesspool of venom from which torture and agony ooze and suffocate every living being who happens to be in the way of its putrefying stench.
We were living in our home since the beginning of history, minding our business and still being invaded by Assyrians, Persians (since Median times), Romans and Arabs among others. Until the day the Turks came…
From the first moment and since the ill day they set their paws this side of the Caspian in early 11th century and crushed the cradles of human civilization under their filthy cloven hoofs, they gave us nothing but death, destruction, subjugation, terror, rape, slavery, stealing of women and children, pillage, plunder and genocide and that for a thousand years.
In return we gave them everything: we built their fucking “empire”Â?, fought their wars in form of “yenicheris”Â?, run their economy, our farmers fed their lazy, hairless Tatar asses, we provided them with genes to lose their Mongoloid features, we pioneered every single western idea in the fields of art, philosophy, politics, culture, etc. in Ottoman Turkey, we built their mosques and palaces where their filthy sultans raped our women and in the end when they thought they didn’t need us, they gave us genocide for thank you.
Armenian Contribution to the Ungrateful Savages 1
Armenian Contribution to the Ungrateful Savages 2
Cultural Genocide, the Natural Byproduct of the Unnatural Turkish Genocidal Instinct
“The most worthless garbage ever produced in the history of the universe, the “AzeriÂ? Turk, has just turned centuries old human heritage into a pile of rubble in front of the eyes of the indifferent Christ killer West
Spes impunitatis continuum affectum tribuit delinquendi
Just imagine for a moment, the cemetery of Jugha’s creation process took about 9 centuries. It started in the 8th or 9th century and was stopped in the 17th century at the time of the forced immigration of my ancestors by Shah Abbas in 1604. Think of all those thousands of hours the Armenian masters put in carving stone and turning it into works of art. The “Azeri”Â? scum destroyed the 30% surviving khachkars in three sessions (1998, 2002, 2005), probably in a dozen days of “work”Â? Turkish style.
Michael added these pithy words on 26 Feb 07 at 11:33 pm“I have said in many a forum post that I am absolutely for Turkey to enter EU. Why? Because I believe while the West is unable to learn from history they also deserve to taste the cold blade of the Turkish scimitar on their necks and the hot gushes of Turkish Delight up their exhaust pipes.”
So, is there anybody you DON’T hate?
For the record, I’m American. I don’t have any special fascination for the Turks. I started thinking along the lines I did for geopolitical reasons, not economic reasons; because of its position, what happens in Turkey can spill over into both Europe and the Middle East. It’s in my country’s (and Europe’s and Armenia’s) best interests to encourage increased democracy and an increased regard for human rights to happen there.
I give up. I’m leaving you with one of my favorite quotes of late, Japanese in origin “If you want to change the world, start by changing yourself”. If you want to stop more genocides from happening, start by ditching your own hatred.
Hellektor added these pithy words on 28 Feb 07 at 1:50 amI’m sorry after I spent the whole night typing you did not get what I was saying… Did you out of curiosity click the links I posted? Did you see the video of hate displayed by Human Culture-deficiency Viruses? I am warning the Europeans by the above don’t you see?
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Look at the map of Armenia, the thin part to the south called Syunik (or Siunik) is the wedge between the realization of sick pan-Turkist dreams and by extension, the keeper of human civilization.
It was kept in Armenian hands even after the Commies had ordered the Armenians to hand it over to the Turks. They had already cut 60% of the Armenian Republic of the time and given it to the Turks. Check my first post above for details. The Turks killed the Armenians for territory.
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=*Garegin Njdeh*
The general who did not give in and saved human civilization by keeping Siunik is Garegin Njdeh.
Read some books about pan-Turkism to understand what I mean:
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Jacob M. Landau’s Pan-Turkism: From Irredentism to CooperationC. W. Hostler, Turkism and the Soviets
It’s in your country’s (and Europe’s and Armenia’s) best interests to force Turkey to respect the treaty of Sèvres and return 30% of Armenian land to its owner which will ensure pan-Turkism will be dead forever.
One last desperate attempt, in Indian (like in your cowboys and Indians movies):
Turk do not tolerate non Turk.
Turk law says everybody in Turkey Turk.
Turk law has children repeat in school everyday “Turk is the master race”Â?.
Turk law says Kurd Mountain Turk.
Turk hate Christian.
Turk force Christian to be Turk, if not Turk kill Christian.
Turk wolf, never be tame.
Turk in EU Mozart become Turk.
Turk in EU Ottoman “empire”Â? revive.
Turk in EU fuck your women to breed and your men for fun
And in 200 years max all Europe Turkish.Capice?
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 07 Mar 07 at 1:48 pm“How great! Another lie of Turk/Azeri to deny the Armenian Genocide. It is getting funny now, but please continue I always could use a laugh.”Â?
Of course Turkish people will never believe the so-called Armenian Genocide since it has not ever proven. Armenian Genocide has been recognized by Armenian and pro-Armenian politicians but not by historians. Each year on 24 April Turkey and Azerbaijan governments ask historians all around the world to gather in Turkey to discuss the issue, but each time the Armenian historians say “You first recognize the genocide, and then we can talk”Â?. If The Armenian Genocide has been know by the public it is because they have got powerful Diaspora which has settled in western society for a long time. If The Turkish nations of Turkey and Azerbaijan had no national ethics, then they would have left their homelands and dispersed in other countries and they could have made great Diaspora. then right now you would have just heard about Turkish(The Turks living in Anatolia) Genocide And Azerbaijanis Genocide.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 07 Mar 07 at 1:49 pmIn 1915, 1.5 Armenians have been annihilated from the face of the world, from their Homeland for 3,000 years, and still some people choose to ignore it.
1915 ““ That reminds me the WWI. The Ottoman Empire was under the invasion of western countries. How do some guys expect no casualties in the ottoman territory? Demographic studies prove that before WWI, fewer than 1.5 million Armenians lived in the entire Ottoman Empire. Thus how is it possible to have 1.5 Armenian dead after WWI? Historian and demographer, DR. Justin MacCarthy of the university of Lousville, calculates the actual losses as slightly less that 600,000. This figure agrees with those provided by British historian Arnold Toynbee, by most early edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, Approximates the number given by Monseigneur Touvhet, a French missionary, who informed the Oeuvre d’Orident in febuary 1916 that the number of dead is thought to be 500,000. Boghos Nubar, head of the Armenian delegation at the Paris peace conference in 1920, noted that large numbers who survived the war. He declared that after the war 280,000 Armenians remained in the Anatolian portion of the occupied Ottoman Empire while 700,000 Armenians had emigrated to other countries.
In the other hand, Armenian losses were few in comparison to over 2.5 million Turkish dead from the same period.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 07 Mar 07 at 1:50 pm“the Naming Deception of Fake “Azerbaijan”Â?
Mr.Hellektor’s, Could you please name the sources which you have found your knowledge from. First of Let me tell you about Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is one of the Turkish Nations. The name Azerbaijan was given to the specific group of Turkish tribes who came together to create a united Turkish nation in the south Caucasian region. The Turkish people used to live in this region. They never fell from Sky. They have got a history older that 7500 years B.C. If you just compare the Sumerian and Turkish language and cultures you’ll see that they have got almost the same grammar, vocabulary and ethics, Beliefs. Krishman from France and also – Please refer to the investigations of – Dr. Homer (1854 -1936) about the relationship between Turkish and Sumer nations. The investigations of the historians like Dr.Zehtabi and Dr.Feyzullahi and RaisNiya from also prove my claims.
Different nations may call a specific Nation in different names. In ancient scriptures Azerbaijan has been pronounced like:
In Pahlavi -> Atropatkan
In ancient Persian -> Azerbadgan, Azerbaygan
In Greek -> Atropatne
In Byzantine -> Aderbiganon, Azerbayganon
In Armenian -> Aderbaygan, Azerbadgan
In syrani -> Azerbaikghan
Also other pronunciations exist too.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 07 Mar 07 at 1:51 pm“Delirious pan-turkist ideology”¦ ”
Mr.Hellektor. It seems that you know nothing about Pan-Turkism but you insist on talking about it. When you do not have enough knowledge about something, please and please refrain to talk about it.
Azerbaijanis people are Turks. If not, how come that the Turkish people living in china and the Turkish people living in Germany can understand each other by their Turkish language? Also we have got different Turkish accents but the vocabularies almost are the same and they do obey one grammar. If we (Azerbaijanis people) used to speak Persian, Then why right know Persians and Azerbaijanis people can not understand each other and also their languages have got nothing in common. If Mongols made us Turkish, Then why they didn’t they turn us into other nation. I am concerned; how come that Mongols didn’t change our language to Mongolian but instead they made it Turkish. lol.
You keep on naming Qarabag as Artsakh. The world pronounces the region as Garabag but you keep on using your own expression which has not ever existed in history. Thats crystal clear who is talking with hatred.
Turks and Russians have never had any good relations with each other. The regions history reveals that the Russians have always made attempts to kill and invade Turkish populations of Anatolia, Caucasian and central Asia in order to eliminate the Turks from those regions even In these days the Russians Energy an geopolitical policies reveal their Turkish hatred habit. They never helped Turks. The Armenians have never possessed any land named Armenian. According to tumas Boyadjian the writer of “Armenian History, in Persian ““ Tarixe Ermenistan “who says Armenian had not national ethics till 1820. The scriptures and mosques in Yerevan and Armenia (That most of them were ruined by Armenian nationalists to prove that the Muslim Turks never lived there) prove this fact. Armenians used to live in nomadic groups and for sometimes during “Part”Â? and “Ashkani”Â? the Armenian were the named dynasty’s vassal.He talks about the countless books published. Do you mean the same books with different covers but the same content? They do not prove anything. they just tell us stories with no evidence. They do just describe their story.
Mr. Hellektor, Keep this in mind that Turkish people are not savage and I am not savage.
Let me just remind you the Armenian terrorist groups which have been found to slay humanity:
Armnakan ““ found in 1885
Hinchak ““ found in 1887
Dashnak sutyun ““ found in 1890
ASALA ““ found in 1975
JCAG ““ some years after 1975
Mr.Hellektor, do you recall the day when Dashnak terrorists invaded Armenian Republic’s parlament and opened fire at parliamentarian and also assassinating the former prime minister named Vazgen Serkisian. ““ Year 2000 – Mr.Hellektor, do you want me to remind you the Dashnak and ASALA terrors by pointing out their date?
Hellektor added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 12:37 amSina Azerbaycanli, your regurgitation is so clichée and fantastic that I don’t feel the need to answer. Your answers are already in my posts but it seems you were unable to grasp them wallowing in your pan-Turkist delusions.
A worthless species of garbage like Turks, whose sole contribution to humanity is nothing but death, destruction, subjugation, terror, rape, slavery, stealing of women and children, pillage, plunder, claim that they are Sumerians, Arameans, Hurrians, Hitites, Greeks, Parthians, Elamite, Manni, Mittani, Arrata, Medians, Urartu, Achaemenids, Lydians, Thracians, Aluanians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Etruscans, Scythians, Eskimo, Native Americans, Incas, Aztecs, Mayas, Martians, Saturnans, Jupiterians …
You are Tuks and nothing but… Turks, a species of Human Civilization-deficiency Viruses who invaded my home AFTER the 11th century and destroyed everything. Read my posts again, click the links and stop fabricating history.
Atrpatakan is a hundred percent pure Iranian/Indo-European/Aryan term which has nothing the hell to do with Turkish and if you missed it here once again its history (for the sources, refer to all the historians who have written about the region in the last 2300 years):
The origin of the word Azerbaijan is traced back to the time after Alexander’s victory over Darius III and the fall of the Achaemenid Empire, when Iran came under the Seleucid rule soon after Alexander’s death. However, a satrap named Aturpat (Atrpat, Atropat, Atropates) established an independent state in the northwest region of Iran (known as the Lesser Medes) which from then on was called Aturpatekan (Aturpayegan in Old Persian or Parthian) after him.
A considerable number of words can still be found in Armenian that share their roots with Pahlavi and other old Persian languages. The word Azarbaijan is the Persianized form of the Arabized word for Aturpatekan, Adhrbeijan. The region northwest of Iran, the REAL Azarbaijan is still called Atrpatakan in Armenian After some 23 centuries, as opposed to Adrbeijan which is used to designate the bogus state north of the region.
P.S. I don’t understand when you say “we Azerbaijanis”, you mean the Turkish speaking Iranians in REAL Azarbaijan or the Tatars renamed “Azeri”, occupying Armenian territory north of the Arax, the FAKE “Azerbaijan”.
Artsakh is the real name of the region and it was called so centuries before Turks set hoof in the area.
We destroyed our churches? You are fucking insane?
Are you blind? This is your species of filth that’s destoying our heritage.No civilized nation destroys other peoples’ monuments, let alone their own, how sick in mind they bring you up in your fascist “countries”?
The rest of your crap is so nauseating that I cannot even consider replying. Armenians are nomads? Azerbaboon, go read this and get FUQt! Armenia is the only existing country presented on the oldest map of the world! Click the links on that page and also check the list of some of Armenian kings.
May god, if he/she/it exists, save us from you, the most unnatural enemies I woudn’t wish my enemy.
Hellektor added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 1:47 amHere some history for you, braindamaged Turk:
The oldest world map, a Babylonian clay tablet from 600 B.C.
The oldest world map interpreted
Recounting his feats, Darius the Great (522-486 BC) calls Armenia: Armina in Old Persian, Harmina in Elamite and Urashtu (Urartu) in Akkadian in his trilingual inscription in Baghastana (Bistoon, Behistun), near Kermanshah. He admits he had to fight five times to suppress the rebellious Armenians to subjugate them.
Herodotus (c. 484 – 425 BC) says: “The Medes had exactly the same equipment as the Persians; and indeed the dress common to both is not so much Persian as Median. They had for commander Tigranes, of the race of the Achaemenids. These Medes were called anciently by all people Arians but when Media, the Colchian, came to them from Athens, they changed their name. Such is the account which they themselves give.”Â?
The PERSIAN Blue Mosque in Yerevan, restored by the Iranian government and fully functional
Armenian Contribution to the Ungrateful Savages. We BUILT your goddamn mosques you retard
You Turks just project your deficiencies and barbaric traits on Armenians. You replace “Turk” with “Armenian” and you regurgitate Armenian history.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:46 pmThe name Azerbaijan!
It seems you still keep on insisting on what you’ve been told.
About the name Azerbaijan, I think you’ve not read my comments. It doest matter what Persians(Iranians) used to call the region. The important point is that how we ourselves name our own homeland. It seems you didn’t get my previous comment so Let me cite you another example which might be tangible for you:
There is a country which English people name it Poland. The Iranians (Persian) name it “Lahistan”Â? and the Turks name it “Polsha”Â?. Now who is right? Can we insist that Poland is a fake name but the “Lahistan”Â? is the correct one?Yes Armenians are nomadic nation. Refer to Iranian History ““ Since you love them very much and it is translated to Armenian and you can find it in Armenian republic ““
You talk about history, the history which theArmenian web-sites tell you about?. Ok. I will study yours and you take time to study the issue from the other point of view.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:46 pmThere has never been a land named Artsakh. You Armenians invaded and massacred the Azerbaijanis people living in Qarabag and tried to name the land “Artsakh”Â? in order to justify your crimes.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:47 pmOldest world map.
I’ll consider the map as one of the Aram Andonians forgeries if you do not point out a reliable source for that. ““ But not the scripture ““
I watched the clip. But I also read the tags.
Tags: Vandalism ““ Iran ““ Azerbaijan ““ Djolfa** Colfa
Can’t you see the name “Iran”Â? there? Which represents a country named Iran. And the “Azerbaijan”Â? represents the province named Azerbaijan within Iran boundary.And Jolfa is name of a city in Azerbaijan. So what the hell it has got to do with Turks. Don’t you know that the south Azerbaijan IS NOT an autonomous government within Iran boundary? Hey! You The Armenian that think he is the best and the greatest and the one. Listen to me. The firs churches built in Azerbaijan were all built by Albans in 4AD. They are all Azerbaijanis property. (Refer to Albans history by “Tarikh Aghvan”Â? written by Musa kalan kati, Musa ghagangaydavchi which has been translated to English in(1964) and Russian in(1861) ) The Islamic Republic of Iran has destroyed lots of other Turkish ancient relics that has got nothing to do with religion. They are all being destroyed just because they represent Turkish history and detract Persian history because of the Turkish history’s being marvelous ““Nasir purpirar’s book about achaemeniade, Historians living in iran: Prof.Dr.Heyat, Sardarniya, Raisniya, Dr.FeyzAllahi ““
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:48 pmBlue Mosque
Hey! you talk about Blue mosque. And you name it Persian. Did you know that several mosques exist in Azerbaijan (south Azerbaijan and North Azerbaijan) and also in Turkey that are named “Goy Mescid”Â? Or blue mosque. And there are solid evidences that those mosques are all build by Turks. – Even Your Iranian Friends confess this fact ““
That mosque you mentioned is the only one existing in recent Armenia and it has not been ruined by Armenians because they want to flatter themselves to Iranian Islamic regime. You know? Great masterpieces have their own special name but most of the ordinary ones don’t. Let me ask you about the mosques which were built by Turks but were ruined by Armenians:
Darul-Muallimin , Built in 1907
And the several mosques built by Ayat-Allah- Mirza-Ali Iravani and Ayat-Allah- Mirza-Yusuf-Iravani
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:48 pmArmenia used to be a Turkish and Muslim territory.
Your Iranian Friends published a book in 2005 named “Katli ami Muslimanan dar do suye araz ““ The massacre of Muslims in both sides of the Araz river ““ published in 2005”Â? and ” Iravan yek shahre Musalman nechin bud ““ Yerevan was a city of Muslims ““ published in 2002”Â? These books are base on Iranian, Turkish, Russian and western historian’s investigations. Since I’m busy with my university I will not be able to copy some nice parts of these books here very soon. But in the coming months I will have translated these Persian books into English and then I will have shut your mouth by then. ““ Please tell me to give up my will if you will not read them. Because I don’t want to waste my time for non-readers ““ The sources of the first book which I have access to right now:
The greatest one is an Arabic book in 550 pages which is published by Hujat-al-Islam-seyyid-Muhammad-tagi-Hishmat-al Vaezeyn-Tabatabai in qom city of Iran in 1997 ““ Please ask Your Persian friend to read this book for you – 1-Travel accounts of French Historian named shardon who visited the region during safavids
2-2-Travel accounts of Dr.Henrik Brougsh in 1860
3-The notions of Ms.Dyulafuay in march29 1881
4-Diary of Dr.Muhammad Javad Iravani whose ancestors used to live In Armenia until the Armenin Massacre in Armenia quartered by RussiansHellektor, you just need to study the published investigations about the archeological sites which are placed in recent Armenian republic. Shame on you. You are a guy who ignores anything and finds it nauseating, when he finds it against his profits.
About Tatars
About Tatars. ““ I will just copy the sentences I found in the first book I mentioned – When Russians Tsars seized the Turkish qajar dynasty’s territories ““ north of Araz River -, The Russians Started labeling Azerbaijanis people as Tatars in order to homogenize this nation and cut their bonds from other Turkish nations.
Sina Azerbaycanli added these pithy words on 08 Mar 07 at 3:49 pmAnd at the end let me tell you something. Stop your libels and insults you play about the Turks and Azerbaijanis people. If I do not insult you and your nation, it doesn’t mean that I can not insult and write libels.
I’m so astonished by the moderator of this website because he/she lets you humiliate others.
Isaac added these pithy words on 12 Mar 07 at 8:37 pmStar-bellied or Plain-bellied, just embrace your Seussness and get on with life.








