First the rich and middle class lived downtown. Then they moved to the suburbs when the poor and criminal elements moved in. This has been a pattern all over the world and especially in the United States. Gated communities are nothing new and in fact, many such as John Robb have discussed how security will filter down to such basic levels where those who can, pay for extra security and wall themselves off from other areas whereas everyone else just receives the “minimum coverage”.
State level fragmentation?
Second, as has been discussed here and elsewhere, globalization tends to lead to global integration and regional fragmentation as smaller states find themselves more flexible and ultimately successful on their own, provided they are under a larger security umbrella (e.g. the EU). Yet, forgetting the global level, what does this look like on the national level. This article may be a clue.
White Atlanta suburbs push for secessionATLANTA - A potentially explosive dispute in the City Too Busy to Hate is taking shape over a proposal to break Fulton County in two and split off Atlanta’s predominantly white, affluent suburbs to the north from some of the metropolitan area’s poorest, black neighborhoods. Legislation that would allow the suburbs to form their own county, to be called Milton County, was introduced by members of the Georgia Legislature’s Republican majority earlier this month.
While race issues are worse in the south than elsewhere, this could be a useful precedent for other states and counties. The article notes for example,
represent 29 percent of the county’s population of 915,000 but pay 42 percent of its property taxes, according to a local taxpayers group. A split would lead to the loss of $193 million in property taxes alone for Fulton County.
Part of the idea behind taxes is that local, state and federal governments collect all of it and then redistribute it as they see fit. Allowing richer counties to break off and form their own counties undermines the government’s legitimacy as the sole decision maker in this process. While the federal/state divide is aimed at allowing people to maintain a fair amount of local control over. Are we moving from gated communities to counties?
From Gated Communities to Counties?
In the US, gated communities are mostly located in more affluent areas and thus aren’t primarily for safety but often prestige. However, in South America and Africa, gated communities are almost mini-cities with hospitals, schools, backup power and sanitation and more. This may be understandable in the third world, but on a smaller level, it is present in countries like the United States. Could we one day live in a kind of medieval walled cities? In this author’s city, such gated communities have sprung up all over the outskirts. Yet, as real estate and development continue, many residents of bad areas are being priced out of the blue seam area below, which connects parts of the city’s core.

While this one example from Atlanta is hardly a harbinger of doom, but it would behoove us to pay careful attention to the many forms of the aforementioned trends that are occuring at home and abroad.

Comments to this entry
Arherring
January 24, 2007
2:42 pm
Curzon
January 24, 2007
3:04 pm
Interesting that this is exactly what happened in New Jersey in the 1960s and 1970s, and the state now has more municipalities than Texas, despite the difference in size between the two states. The result that followed was a larger wealth gap between regions, a bigger _de facto_ race gap, higher property taxes, and an explosion in the gap between rich and poor in regards to healthcare, education, property values, taxes, transportation services, and all the rest. Security is probably the more exciting factor to focus on, but its just one of many, many issues that come with this regional stratification of wealth.
Scott
January 24, 2007
4:17 pm
Scott
elambend
January 24, 2007
4:55 pm
In some inner core suburbs of St. Louis, like Clayton and University City, there are gated semi-gated communities without through streets, and limited access (one or two street entrances). These were built pre-WWII when St. Louis was even more racially polarized than now.
There are now some faily affluent, and mostly black suburbs north of St. Louis. St. Louis city itself offers a lot of core-gap examples. St. Louis and Detroit are also similar in that they both have a huge amount of housing stock that is largely vacant. (St. Louis City's population is approx. 400,000. It should easily be able to house triple that). I have seen whole blocks of buildings demolished for their bricks. It's a shame because there is really interesting architecture throughout the city. Some areas are revitalizing, but it's the younger non-children crowd and most people in St. Louis still view living=lawn.
St. Louis and Detroit also share a high murder rate with an interesting twist. The victim is often likely to have just as long a criminal rap sheet as the killer. Outside the worst part of the Gap areas, the city is quite safe. Schools and mismanagement of city funds are a big issue and can literally mean the difference of $100,000 between a stately old home on the St. Louis side of Skinker Boulevard and one on the Clayton side (near Washington University).
Kurt9
January 24, 2007
6:51 pm
For example, this situation in Altanta where the suburbs want to form their own county. There has been 30-40 years of social spending on the poorer parts of Atlanta and, guess what?, these areas are still poor and still require social spending. This suggests that this 30-40 years of social spending has not solved the problem it was supposed to solve and that another 30-40 of the same programs are unlikely to solve the problem. Most tax payers I know don't mind paying the taxes providing the programs being funded actually work. Only a stupid person believes in paying money to something that does not work.
Perhaps the existing city and county governments need to get their act together and come up with something that actually works. Otherwise the tax payers will "secede" and rightly so.
Michael
January 24, 2007
7:08 pm
Joe
January 24, 2007
7:20 pm
TDL
January 24, 2007
7:26 pm
They will be able to lower their tax burden. I am not familiar with the area in question, but the common thread of the secession movements within the U.S. since the the turn of the century has been centered around two issue; 1) high taxes and 2) corruption by officials in charge of a massive political entity. Two examples are Killington, Vermont and Los Angeles, California. None of these movement have been very successful, but the recent uptick in secession might be interpreted as the beginning of a trend.
Regards,
TDL
Steve
January 24, 2007
7:59 pm
To answer Michael's question; the two big issues are MARTA (the public transit system) and Grady Hospital (The county owned hospital that serves the indigent). Both of them are huge money losers for the country and are rarely used by residents of North Fulton.
There is a major disconnect between South Fulton and North Fulton, i.e. the residents of South Fulton seldom go North, and the residents of North Fulton seldom go South.
Chirol
January 24, 2007
8:21 pm
The reason is that when one looks at a map of the US and its racial make up, it's no surprise that the majority of blacks still live in the South. In my hometown, they comprise about 55 to 60%.
Needless to say, the problem is that because the blacks were oppressed and treated bad for so long, they are far far behind the whites economically, educationally and culturally. This means that the real problems are not racial, but largely those mentioned above due to their having a very very late start equality wise.
Thus, the problems are indeed worse in the South numerically speaking.
jungleland
January 24, 2007
8:38 pm
Steve
January 24, 2007
9:00 pm
It would be more representative of the residents, but I'm not convinced that anything would improve.
Chirol
January 24, 2007
9:11 pm
To bring back Barnett, we need to connect these areas, not try to firewall ourselves off from them.
Steve
January 24, 2007
9:22 pm
Isaac
January 24, 2007
10:57 pm
http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5976022&nav=HMO6 and http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=825996 for details.
For a fascinating read giving background (indeed, way back) check out Jon Krakauer's Under the Banner of Heaven.
Jason W
January 25, 2007
12:00 am
ramapajama
January 25, 2007
12:05 am
Joe
January 25, 2007
1:31 am
And as you briefly mentioned above, even if you somehow pour in money to force development in these marginalized areas, you don't get rid of the marginalized people: they just move somewhere else.
The problem is cultural, not economic. You have to do something about kids wanting to be pimps, drug dealers and thieves. This isn't like China, where sort-of-halfway-honest entrepreneurship is widespread.
Lexington Green
January 25, 2007
6:01 am
What will end up happening is the state government will have to step in, and the pain will be more widely dispersed.
The idea that social spending is going to "fix" these areas is no longer believed by anybody. They are perpetual running sores. So, get the largest unit of government to spread the pain to diffuse it.
How to "close the Gap"? Can't be done, I don't think. The kinds of compulsory changes that would be needed would be unacceptable. So it will stay as it is. But maybe someone else sees happy outcomes within our grasp that I do not see. It would be nice if that were so.
Chief Wiggum
January 25, 2007
1:38 pm
Dave On Fire
January 25, 2007
3:47 pm
jungleland
January 25, 2007
4:00 pm
They just announced a 12,000 seat outdoor concert venue in Alpharetta (suburbs) so that we dont have to go downtown for concerts
BillSaysThis
January 25, 2007
6:21 pm
Lexington Green
January 25, 2007
8:47 pm
Depends what you think the underlying problem is. If it is paying a premium for services you never use, you secede and let some larger group of people bear the cost of sustaining the government-funded programs in the poor area. In that case, it not only helps but solves your problem. If the problem is the existence of poor people in a high crime and otherwise unattractive area, that is not a problem or set of problems, it is a condition whose existence does not imply a "solution".
The "effort" of decades of large-scale social spending has not been ruined by corruption. That is like the old Stalinist idea that the Five Year Plan did not work because of concealed Capitalist "wreckers". Like the FYPs, the social spending does not accomplish what it purports to do because it can't, no matter how diligent or well-intentioned the people spending it or operating the programs may be.
What has been accomplshed is simply subsidizing failure, which, like anything which is subsidized, only gets you more of it.
mark safranski
January 26, 2007
2:22 am
I'm certain race plays at least a part here but I'm wondering if the 29 % paying 42% of the freight even have 29% of the political representation in county government or if they are simply cash cows to be milked? Nothing delegitimizes a government entity faster than taxation without representation. Even corruption is more tolerable.
Are the Fulton County boards elected by district or "at large" ?
Peter
January 26, 2007
10:33 am
Medieval walled cities had hinterlands from which they drew food, water, labour and soldiers, and to which they supplied wares (think Machiavelli's Florence, or the German cities within the Holy Roman Empire). Gated communities, and for that matter outer suburbs, will exist only as long as the wealthy denizens can buy cheap oil, drive to work in the cities in their SUVs, and buy their food in big supermarkets.
Peter
http://kotare.typepad.com/thestrategist
Thomas P.M. Barnett :: Weblog
January 26, 2007
12:16 pm
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Lexington Green
January 26, 2007
1:26 pm
They won't be driving to the cities. The commutes will be intra-suburban. The cities are no longer the job generators. Joel Kotkin has been documenting this trend.
The Gap locations within the US are sufficiently localized and small that only communities adjacent to them need to be gated for security. The hinterlands here are relatively secure.
We are in nothing like the situation of the Medieval and Ancient walled cities. Not yet, anyway.
Dan tdaxp
January 26, 2007
1:36 pm
m.e.
January 26, 2007
3:00 pm
Chirol
January 26, 2007
3:20 pm
m.e.
January 26, 2007
3:56 pm
Steve
January 26, 2007
4:18 pm
To answer your question - Yes, people do come in from other parts of town and it is having an impact on the area. However, I doubt that many people from the would-be secessionist area go there on a regular basis. AS is designed as a live-work-play area, so most of the people who are there live or work nearby.
One thing to note - There are far more than two areas (North and South Fulton) in play in Atlanta. Those are just the only two that share a common government.
jungleland
January 26, 2007
4:22 pm
This is not where families live. This is where 20-somethings with high paying jobs live ($3-400K for a one-bedroom townhouse!). The schools are inner-city. The Atlantic Station dwellers are Liberal, Single, mostly no-children and work Downtown.
Milton County is Families, churches, shopping malls, franchise stores and restaurants, amazing public schools, conservative.
Atlanta traffic is a factor in this as well.
Atlantic Station is 25 miles from my home, in extreme North North Fulton, but it takes nearly a hour to get there due to traffic, and our rush hour is from 6 am - 9 am and 3 pm - 7 pm. During these times, it could take up to two hours to get to Atlantic Station....so we just don't go.
I go downtown 5-6 times a month (I have friends who live intown). My neighbors go downtown (south Fulton) 5-6 times a YEAR at best.
The Atlantic Station model is moving it's way North. Plans for this kind of work-shop-play area are being set up in North Fulton's Roswell, Alpharetta and our exurbs of Forsyth County (North of North Fulton)
It's not that there is a white flight or a wealth-flight to the suburbs. It's a lifestyle and cultural thing. In Atlanta, inside the perrimeter (Highway I-285 is our beltline) is one lifestyle and outside of the perimeter is another. South Fulton is inside, North Fulton is outside, simple as that.
JohnR
January 27, 2007
7:54 pm
A trillion dollars later, the Ford people are long gone, the money, too. The only thing left are: (1) data that are depressing at best; and (2) the clientele, which has grown larger. Kaplan saw the problems in "An Empire Wilderness."
Unfortunately neither he, nor anyone I'm aware of, has proffered a credible cure. Chesterton, anyone?
Ares
January 27, 2007
8:39 pm
The original article calling the situation explosive is a pathetic overstatement. As previously mentioned this has been afoot for years. It's only recently gained traction because of a Republican majority in the state legislature for the first time since Reconstruction. The biggest driving factor in this movement is a desire for better responsiveness from local government. No one serious is under the illusion that simply redrawing and renaming lines on a map will lower crime or make them safer.
Michael
January 30, 2007
11:24 pm
Davis
February 11, 2007
10:06 pm
- Would a Milton School System have to buy existing schools from Fulton County Schools?
- If SPLOST III passes will Milton residents continue paying the 1% sales tax to Fulton Schools until it expires in 2012?
- What are the boundaries on the southern side of Milton are you including Buckhead?
- If Buckhead is included would the schools be purchased from Atlanta Public Schools?
- How do you handle the all of the bonds predicated on the existence of Fulton County? Won't they all need to be restructured?
- Will taxes in Milton County be reduced or frozen by statute?
- How much will it cost to build Milton jails, courts, sheriff's office and libraries?
- Would county facilities need to be purchased from Fulton County like Sandy Springs paid for Fire Department buildings?
- What happens with the contribution to MARTA from what would be Milton. Does it go away?
- What happens to the funding for Grady?
- Will the referendum to form the county be a countywide Fulton vote?