Comments on: Hussein Execution: Curzon’s Two Cents http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:43:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Mutantfrog http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-223849 Mutantfrog Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:00:46 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-223849 <blockquote>January 6, 2007 Images of Hanging Make Hussein a Martyr to Many By HASSAN M. FATTAH BEIRUT, Lebanon, Jan. 5 — In the week since Saddam Hussein was hanged in an execution steeped in sectarian overtones, his public image in the Arab world, formerly that of a convicted dictator, has undergone a resurgence of admiration and awe. On the streets, in newspapers and over the Internet, Mr. Hussein has emerged as a Sunni Arab hero who stood calm and composed as his Shiite executioners tormented and abused him. "No one will ever forget the way in which Saddam was executed,"Â? President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt remarked in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot published Friday and distributed by the official Egyptian news agency. "They turned him into a martyr."Â? [...]</blockquote> "Having witnesses present who were once gruesomely tortured in that very jail by Saddam's minions -including one guy who lost most of his family to Saddam's killers "“ was a nice touch, morally speaking."
January 6, 2007
Images of Hanging Make Hussein a Martyr to Many
By HASSAN M. FATTAH

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Jan. 5 — In the week since Saddam Hussein was hanged in an execution steeped in sectarian overtones, his public image in the Arab world, formerly that of a convicted dictator, has undergone a resurgence of admiration and awe.

On the streets, in newspapers and over the Internet, Mr. Hussein has emerged as a Sunni Arab hero who stood calm and composed as his Shiite executioners tormented and abused him.

“No one will ever forget the way in which Saddam was executed,”Â? President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt remarked in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot published Friday and distributed by the official Egyptian news agency. “They turned him into a martyr.”Â?
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“Having witnesses present who were once gruesomely tortured in that very jail by Saddam’s minions -including one guy who lost most of his family to Saddam’s killers ““ was a nice touch, morally speaking.”

]]> By: Kevin http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-223258 Kevin Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:16:26 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-223258 I have been ambushed by the Mahdi army BTW.. ;) I have been ambushed by the Mahdi army BTW..

;)

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222747 Dan tdaxp Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:03:47 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222747 Eddie, Thanks for the reply. I <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/01/04/the-iraqis.html" rel="nofollow">responded over at <i>tdaxp</i></a>. Eddie,

Thanks for the reply. I responded over at tdaxp.

]]> By: Eddie http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222495 Eddie Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:49:19 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222495 At a noticeable level, it was quite like AQ's executions, considering the Sadr militias are guilty of mass murder in the form of ethnic cleansing of innocent civillians, whereas AQ is guilty of mass murder in the form of terrorism (and Saddam guilty of it in both forms as well as systematic rape and indiscriminate use of WMD against civilians). While various forms of evil are certainly not equal, it is the height of hypocrisy for the US to demean and betray itself aligning with one, especially the Mahdi militia. At a noticeable level, it was quite like AQ’s executions, considering the Sadr militias are guilty of mass murder in the form of ethnic cleansing of innocent civillians, whereas AQ is guilty of mass murder in the form of terrorism (and Saddam guilty of it in both forms as well as systematic rape and indiscriminate use of WMD against civilians). While various forms of evil are certainly not equal, it is the height of hypocrisy for the US to demean and betray itself aligning with one, especially the Mahdi militia.

]]> By: Ben Shobert http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222472 Ben Shobert Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:40:31 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222472 Hitchens is his usual brilliant self in the <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2156776/" rel="nofollow">most recent Slate column</a> he has posted. Hitchens is his usual brilliant self in the most recent Slate column he has posted.

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222469 Dan tdaxp Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:06:09 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222469 Pat Lang's take: <blockquote>6-How like AQ's executions this was. How like.</blockquote> My take: How intellectually vacuous PL's rhetoric is. How vacuous. Pat Lang’s take:

6-How like AQ’s executions this was. How like.

My take:

How intellectually vacuous PL’s rhetoric is. How vacuous.

]]> By: Pius Aeneas http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222466 Pius Aeneas Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:47:55 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222466 The execution would definitely have been handled much more professionally by the U.S. military, had they been in charge. At this point, however, having Saddam hanged by Americans and not Iraqis might have been just as big a faux pas as having him hanged by angry Shiites. I do think the effect this will have the Sunni insurgency is overestimated. The Sunnis are fighting for their survival, not for Saddam, even though most probably already suspect that the former may be as hopeless as the latter. I don't think the 'martyr' defense is particularly convincing in most cases, anyway. It really smacks of something James Bond would think up to stop a super-villain from killing him despite having ample reason and opportunity. The execution would definitely have been handled much more professionally by the U.S. military, had they been in charge. At this point, however, having Saddam hanged by Americans and not Iraqis might have been just as big a faux pas as having him hanged by angry Shiites.

I do think the effect this will have the Sunni insurgency is overestimated. The Sunnis are fighting for their survival, not for Saddam, even though most probably already suspect that the former may be as hopeless as the latter.

I don’t think the ‘martyr’ defense is particularly convincing in most cases, anyway. It really smacks of something James Bond would think up to stop a super-villain from killing him despite having ample reason and opportunity.

]]> By: mark safranski http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222461 mark safranski Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:26:43 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222461 "As it was done, this execution is useless for punishment and useless for deterrence" Oh, I'm pretty sure Saddam is deterred from further mayhem once and for all. Having witnesses present who were once gruesomely tortured in that very jail by Saddam's minions -including one guy who lost most of his family to Saddam's killers - was a nice touch, morally speaking. Hopefully, Kim Jong-Il's execution will take place in a stadium. “As it was done, this execution is useless for punishment and useless for deterrence”

Oh, I’m pretty sure Saddam is deterred from further mayhem once and for all.

Having witnesses present who were once gruesomely tortured in that very jail by Saddam’s minions -including one guy who lost most of his family to Saddam’s killers – was a nice touch, morally speaking.

Hopefully, Kim Jong-Il’s execution will take place in a stadium.

]]> By: Eddie http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222460 Eddie Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:24:30 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222460 He definitely deserved his moment at the gallow, but he's certainly a martyr now, and the manner in which he was executed by Sadr's thugs proved to most Sunnis that they are engaged in a fight for their survival against the Shia.... <a href="http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2006/12/sale_on_dignity.html" rel="nofollow">Pat Lang argues it best.</a> He definitely deserved his moment at the gallow, but he’s certainly a martyr now, and the manner in which he was executed by Sadr’s thugs proved to most Sunnis that they are engaged in a fight for their survival against the Shia….

Pat Lang argues it best.

]]> By: Joe http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222445 Joe Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:55:36 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222445 <blockquote>But for all the critics, Hussein's death closes a chapter of Iraq's history for good.</blockquote> That chapter was closed when the coalition invaded in 2003. You think the execution really changes anything? If the goal here was to close a chapter, they should have heard all the grievances against Saddam instead of trying him on a select few. They should have waited until the country could be brought under the control of an effective government. As it was done, this execution is useless for punishment and useless for deterrence. All it does is satisfy a primal sense of revenge in a few people, and give Bush one piece of news to slightly indicate that he didn't completely screw up by invading Iraq.
But for all the critics, Hussein’s death closes a chapter of Iraq’s history for good.

That chapter was closed when the coalition invaded in 2003. You think the execution really changes anything? If the goal here was to close a chapter, they should have heard all the grievances against Saddam instead of trying him on a select few. They should have waited until the country could be brought under the control of an effective government.

As it was done, this execution is useless for punishment and useless for deterrence. All it does is satisfy a primal sense of revenge in a few people, and give Bush one piece of news to slightly indicate that he didn’t completely screw up by invading Iraq.

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222369 Dan tdaxp Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:47:09 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222369 What's wrong with public executions? That the people can see the justice carried out in their name? What’s wrong with public executions? That the people can see the justice carried out in their name?

]]> By: Sinfjotli http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222349 Sinfjotli Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222349 Saddam's execution was at least as necessary as anything else President Bush has acomplished since his questionable invasion of Irak. The despicable manner in which the former head of state was heckled and videotaped is reflective of all other malfeasances, corruption, and perplexing instability marked in the new nation. Maybe the U.S. military should have done the deed... because the Iraki government can't seem to get its head out of its ass -and I know that it's the radicals and dissidents who're to blame. As for Saddam, I don't think he wanted any violence in his wake. He truly wished to reconcile with his maker and assume responsibility for his life's imprint. If there is a God, then everything is his plan anyways... but only time will tell. Saddam’s execution was at least as necessary as anything else President Bush has acomplished since his questionable invasion of Irak. The despicable manner in which the former head of state was heckled and videotaped is reflective of all other malfeasances, corruption, and perplexing instability marked in the new nation. Maybe the U.S. military should have done the deed… because the Iraki government can’t seem to get its head out of its ass -and I know that it’s the radicals and dissidents who’re to blame.

As for Saddam, I don’t think he wanted any violence in his wake. He truly wished to reconcile with his maker and assume responsibility for his life’s imprint. If there is a God, then everything is his plan anyways… but only time will tell.

]]> By: Sonagi http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222125 Sonagi Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:34:45 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222125 I am faint-hearted but couldn't resist watching on another website. Because of the poor lighting, I didn't think it was that gruesome. Yeah, his captors taunted him, but he mouthed right back at them. He did not look scared. He experienced a quicker and less painful death than the hundreds of thousands he had murdered. I am faint-hearted but couldn’t resist watching on another website. Because of the poor lighting, I didn’t think it was that gruesome. Yeah, his captors taunted him, but he mouthed right back at them. He did not look scared. He experienced a quicker and less painful death than the hundreds of thousands he had murdered.

]]> By: BesottedTom http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222117 BesottedTom Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:25:58 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222117 William Christie has an article at D-N-I.net. He states he wasn't against the execution, just the way it was done. I also think it could have been handled better. Here's the link for anybody that may be curious. http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/christie_death_of_saddam.htm William Christie has an article at D-N-I.net. He states he wasn’t against the execution, just the way it was done. I also think it could have been handled better. Here’s the link for anybody that may be curious.

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/christie_death_of_saddam.htm

]]> By: Paul Jennings http://cominganarchy.com/2007/01/04/hussein-execution-curzons-two-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-222066 Paul Jennings Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:28:00 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=2415#comment-222066 'Back in the swing of things'? Oh dearie dearie me. ‘Back in the swing of things’? Oh dearie dearie me.

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