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		<title>By: vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a general comment!
Has anyone read Godel,  Slow down the language, before you know the logic. Politics does not do it.. Politics never did it!. Only grunts and growls in the caves and trees..
I am not suggesting language is not! but only how one uses it.
I am still writing in english, A&#039;int I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a general comment!<br />
Has anyone read Godel,  Slow down the language, before you know the logic. Politics does not do it.. Politics never did it!. Only grunts and growls in the caves and trees..<br />
I am not suggesting language is not! but only how one uses it.<br />
I am still writing in english, A&#8217;int I.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some professing! should not profess any more! Period!.
aka  kissinger
Let him go and live in third world countries before he wants to wax  the egos in the Government.  Nixonian at best!!!!!!
This is liki dogging the wag.. Sorry for using the vocabulary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some professing! should not profess any more! Period!.<br />
aka  kissinger<br />
Let him go and live in third world countries before he wants to wax  the egos in the Government.  Nixonian at best!!!!!!<br />
This is liki dogging the wag.. Sorry for using the vocabulary.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mi-Hwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mi-Hwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is getting bad advice from Kissinger, so it&#039;s no wonder that the Iraq War is turning into a fiasco like the Vietnam War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is getting bad advice from Kissinger, so it&#8217;s no wonder that the Iraq War is turning into a fiasco like the Vietnam War.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: vijay</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/10/01/kissinger-advising-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-132490</link>
		<dc:creator>vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore.

The only difference - no scandals in singapore.
I was in Singapora (by the way not trying to educate - (singa!) means Lion and Pura (or &#039;puram&#039; is a word in Tamil means, a surrounding or a village).

What or Which country in this world was not ruled by someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore.</p>

<p>The only difference &#8211; no scandals in singapore.<br />
I was in Singapora (by the way not trying to educate &#8211; (singa!) means Lion and Pura (or &#8216;puram&#8217; is a word in Tamil means, a surrounding or a village).</p>

<p>What or Which country in this world was not ruled by someone else.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Atlantic Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlantic Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Iraq and Vietnam and the &quot;State of Denial&quot; and Krepinevich&#039;s &quot;oil-spot strategy&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

Bob Woodward, who has been known for his incredible access to classified reports and close contacts to members of the Bush administration, has just published a new book State of Denial (Amazon.com, Amazon.de) and writes in the Washington Post article Secr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Iraq and Vietnam and the &#8220;State of Denial&#8221; and Krepinevich&#8217;s &#8220;oil-spot strategy&#8221;</strong></p>

<p>Bob Woodward, who has been known for his incredible access to classified reports and close contacts to members of the Bush administration, has just published a new book State of Denial (Amazon.com, Amazon.de) and writes in the Washington Post article Secr</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shloky</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/10/01/kissinger-advising-bush/comment-page-1/#comment-131957</link>
		<dc:creator>Shloky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip Bobbitt has something to say on the economic argument as well- 

&quot;During those thirteen years pro-Western governments consolidated their power in Indonesia. Malaysia, and Singapore while economic growth ignited in the region&#039;s key pro-Western states, South Korea, Japan, Thailand, and Taiwan. By 1975, the year of the worst U.S. military humiliation since 1943,  the threats to all these states and territories, from within and from a hostile China, had far receded from their level in the late 1950s. In everyone one of these now prosperous and fast-growing states, the essential issues of the Long War had been decided in their domestic polity and had been resolved against communism...&quot; 

-Page 59 of The Shield of Achilles,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Bobbitt has something to say on the economic argument as well- </p>

<p>&#8220;During those thirteen years pro-Western governments consolidated their power in Indonesia. Malaysia, and Singapore while economic growth ignited in the region&#8217;s key pro-Western states, South Korea, Japan, Thailand, and Taiwan. By 1975, the year of the worst <span class="caps">U.S. </span>military humiliation since 1943,  the threats to all these states and territories, from within and from a hostile China, had far receded from their level in the late 1950s. In everyone one of these now prosperous and fast-growing states, the essential issues of the Long War had been decided in their domestic polity and had been resolved against communism&#8230;&#8221; </p>

<p>-Page 59 of The Shield of Achilles,</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: moorethanthis</title>
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		<dc:creator>moorethanthis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the economic argument: Maybe, but it&#039;s not as conclusive as the Korean War kickstarting Japan&#039;s economic development back in the 50s. 

As for the main post and discussion: the idea that opposition back home equals &#039;lack of will&#039; is a standard right-wing trope used to paint domestic opponents of the war as traitors or weaklings. On point 2, I don&#039;t get how lack of public support will weaken the US position in international negotiation - surely what matters at that level is the interplay of governments, not what the New York Times is putting on its op-ed page? And as for reduced influence and strength, the situation in Iraq is already reflecting badly on the US, as the war in Lebanon did on Israel. It has shown that the kind of war (lightweight forces, reliant on airpower) that politicians like to fight cannot win the kind of counter-insurgency stuggles we face today.

Ultimately, the problem of the US administration is that it believes its own propaganda (see my point on &#039;lack of will&#039;.) This is disastrous for any party fighting a war, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/10/propaganda_wars.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Robb&lt;/a&gt; shows. His appeal for greater transparency and openness may be the only way out of the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the economic argument: Maybe, but it&#8217;s not as conclusive as the Korean War kickstarting Japan&#8217;s economic development back in the 50s. </p>

<p>As for the main post and discussion: the idea that opposition back home equals &#8216;lack of will&#8217; is a standard right-wing trope used to paint domestic opponents of the war as traitors or weaklings. On point 2, I don&#8217;t get how lack of public support will weaken the US position in international negotiation &#8211; surely what matters at that level is the interplay of governments, not what the New York Times is putting on its op-ed page? And as for reduced influence and strength, the situation in Iraq is already reflecting badly on the <span class="caps">US, </span>as the war in Lebanon did on Israel. It has shown that the kind of war (lightweight forces, reliant on airpower) that politicians like to fight cannot win the kind of counter-insurgency stuggles we face today.</p>

<p>Ultimately, the problem of the US administration is that it believes its own propaganda (see my point on &#8216;lack of will&#8217;.) This is disastrous for any party fighting a war, as <a href="http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/10/propaganda_wars.html">John Robb</a> shows. His appeal for greater transparency and openness may be the only way out of the mess.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And once they were established, they were ironclad and invincible with no need for economic involvement?  The Vietnam War played an important part in keeping America involved and present across East Asia.  The economic argument is a small one, but it&#039;s not unimportant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore. </blockquote>

<p>And once they were established, they were ironclad and invincible with no need for economic involvement?  The Vietnam War played an important part in keeping America involved and present across East Asia.  The economic argument is a small one, but it&#8217;s not unimportant.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is Lee Kwan Yew? What am I missing here? Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore.  And what other countries in the region developed economically apart from those 2 and Japan? And I don&#039;t think those ten years really shifted the momentum either frankly (think Laos, Thailand, Cambodia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Lee Kwan Yew? What am I missing here? Military dictatorships were already firmly in place in South Korea and Singapore.  And what other countries in the region developed economically apart from those 2 and Japan? And I don&#8217;t think those ten years really shifted the momentum either frankly (think Laos, Thailand, Cambodia).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. Did America&#039;s involvement in the Vietnam War make the world safer for us? No. Did it do anything for us internationally? No, countries did not like our involvement in Vietnam.&quot;

That&#039;s not what Lee Kwan Yew says.  He says that the American defense of South Vietnam gave Singapore and the other countries of the region the time they needed to begin to develop economically.  It was an awfully expensive way to do that, admittedly.  But it is wrong to say we got no benefit from delaying the communist conquest of South Vietnam for ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. Did America&#8217;s involvement in the Vietnam War make the world safer for us? No. Did it do anything for us internationally? No, countries did not like our involvement in Vietnam.&#8221;</p>

<p>That&#8217;s not what Lee Kwan Yew says.  He says that the American defense of South Vietnam gave Singapore and the other countries of the region the time they needed to begin to develop economically.  It was an awfully expensive way to do that, admittedly.  But it is wrong to say we got no benefit from delaying the communist conquest of South Vietnam for ten years.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heads up / off topic: the opposition in Tajikistan just withdrew from the election.  They&#039;ve been dropping like flies, and this is pretty unprecedented there.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/01/asia/AS_POL_Tajikistan_Elections.php

Regarding this post, I fully agree with Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heads up / off topic: the opposition in Tajikistan just withdrew from the election.  They&#8217;ve been dropping like flies, and this is pretty unprecedented there.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/01/asia/AS_POL_Tajikistan_Elections.php">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/01/asia/AS_POL_Tajikistan_Elections.php</a></p>

<p>Regarding this post, I fully agree with Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: RevG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So it truly behooves leaders to be honest in the first place, or not to go to war. I think the public is fairly accepting that things go wrong in war; what it cannot abide is being led up a garden path&quot;Ã‚Â¦. especially for partizan political reasons.&quot;

I could not agree with Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace more. The public has a greater diversity in news and opinion available today than it did during the Vietnam War and large segments of it are quicker to question the veracity of politicians. I would like to believe there is also a legitmate feeling regarding the righteousness of our national adventures and this must be compared and contrasted to the Salafists who fight for the same Abrahamic God as the Christians and Jews. Ultimately, I believe it will be our respective spiritual strengths that will provide the critical winning edge. I am not only refering to the fundamentalist religious right, but also to the genuine spirituality with which the rest of the USA identifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So it truly behooves leaders to be honest in the first place, or not to go to war. I think the public is fairly accepting that things go wrong in war; what it cannot abide is being led up a garden path&#8221;&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&brvbar;. especially for partizan political reasons.&#8221;</p>

<p>I could not agree with Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace more. The public has a greater diversity in news and opinion available today than it did during the Vietnam War and large segments of it are quicker to question the veracity of politicians. I would like to believe there is also a legitmate feeling regarding the righteousness of our national adventures and this must be compared and contrasted to the Salafists who fight for the same Abrahamic God as the Christians and Jews. Ultimately, I believe it will be our respective spiritual strengths that will provide the critical winning edge. I am not only refering to the fundamentalist religious right, but also to the genuine spirituality with which the rest of the <span class="caps">USA </span>identifies.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one common thread I like to equate between Iraq and Vietnam is the &#039;are we safer because of what we did (or what we are doing&#039;.  Did America&#039;s involvement in the Vietnam War make the world safer for us?  No. Did it do anything for us internationally? No, countries did not like our involvement in Vietnam.  For the Iraq War, ask the same questions.  The war &amp; occupation have not made it safer for the West.  In fact, it&#039;s done just the opposite.  And has it done anything for America internationally? No, America is isolated internationally.

I really have a hard time buying the &#039;low morale in America = more recruits for terrorists&#039; argument too.  Does any terrorist group advertise on its pamphlet that Bimbo American spends one minute regretting the Iraq War between episodes of Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond? Doubtful.  And do you REALLY think public opinion hampers this administration? If you say yes, please explain Donald Rumsfeld still being Secretary of Defense and Colin Powell&#039;s resignation.  And, last quip, is what allies are you talking about? Who do we have left to impress in this war?  Uzbekistan? Romania? Poland?  The Coalition of the Willing is more like a cadre of underdeveloped nations with above average egos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one common thread I like to equate between Iraq and Vietnam is the &#8216;are we safer because of what we did (or what we are doing&#8217;.  Did America&#8217;s involvement in the Vietnam War make the world safer for us?  No. Did it do anything for us internationally? No, countries did not like our involvement in Vietnam.  For the Iraq War, ask the same questions.  The war &amp; occupation have not made it safer for the West.  In fact, it&#8217;s done just the opposite.  And has it done anything for America internationally? No, America is isolated internationally.</p>

<p>I really have a hard time buying the &#8216;low morale in America = more recruits for terrorists&#8217; argument too.  Does any terrorist group advertise on its pamphlet that Bimbo American spends one minute regretting the Iraq War between episodes of Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond? Doubtful.  And do you <span class="caps">REALLY </span>think public opinion hampers this administration? If you say yes, please explain Donald Rumsfeld still being Secretary of Defense and Colin Powell&#8217;s resignation.  And, last quip, is what allies are you talking about? Who do we have left to impress in this war?  Uzbekistan? Romania? Poland?  The Coalition of the Willing is more like a cadre of underdeveloped nations with above average egos.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Nixon built a Republic of Vietnam that was able to fight, and win, her own battles...&quot;  Dan tdaxp must have been advising a different QLVN than I was. Certainly there were some ARVN units that could fight well, such as the Airborne Division, the 1st and 2nd Inf Divs, and the Marines. Certainly, with tremendous American air support, the ARVN ground forces were able to defeat the PAVN&#039;s Easter 72 offensive. But whatever the revisionists write, there is simply no ample evidence that the QLVN were ever able to stand on their own. Indeed, the very abandonment of the QLVN in 1975 was a failure to provide the air power that we had promised to dragoon Thieu into going along with the Paris Peace Accords. So they never were able to win their own battles. Granted, if we had intervened massively in 1975, we may have broken the communists will, but would the RVN have been able to get its act together, form a government of national unity, and professionalize the QLVN to the point that all ARVN formations had the spirit and drive of the airborne division? The utter collapse of 1975 suggests that they would not.
ps. QLVN Quan Luc Viet Nam = Vietnamese Armed Forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Nixon built a Republic of Vietnam that was able to fight, and win, her own battles&#8230;&#8221;  Dan tdaxp must have been advising a different <span class="caps">QLVN </span>than I was. Certainly there were some <span class="caps">ARVN </span>units that could fight well, such as the Airborne Division, the 1st and 2nd Inf Divs, and the Marines. Certainly, with tremendous American air support, the <span class="caps">ARVN </span>ground forces were able to defeat the <span class="caps">PAVN&#8217;</span>s Easter 72 offensive. But whatever the revisionists write, there is simply no ample evidence that the <span class="caps">QLVN </span>were ever able to stand on their own. Indeed, the very abandonment of the <span class="caps">QLVN </span>in 1975 was a failure to provide the air power that we had promised to dragoon Thieu into going along with the Paris Peace Accords. So they never were able to win their own battles. Granted, if we had intervened massively in 1975, we may have broken the communists will, but would the <span class="caps">RVN </span>have been able to get its act together, form a government of national unity, and professionalize the <span class="caps">QLVN </span>to the point that all <span class="caps">ARVN </span>formations had the spirit and drive of the airborne division? The utter collapse of 1975 suggests that they would not.<br />
ps. <span class="caps">QLVN</span> Quan Luc Viet Nam = Vietnamese Armed Forces.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Flagg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Iraq is not a quagmire - what would a quagmire look like?  The list from Curzon about the ramifications of exiting Iraq are excellent.  What does the other list look like?  The one that has clear markers on what progress is so that decision-makers can make good judgments on both a tactical and strategic level?  The list that includes the effects and long-term combat operations on your forces (the best and bravest of a generation, who volunteered to fight - those guys, not the Ivy League civvies in the Beltway - the ones that don&#039;t realize that war is not a video game, that things like logistics, supply, workable strategies, etc. matter).  And, sad to say, sometimes sound long-term strategy means withdrawal from a situation that has deteriorated.

I guess what I&#039;m trying to get at is, Afghanistan/Iraq is a messy affair that&#039;s been painted in simplistic terms.  It&#039;s a mad swirl of tribal loyalties, ancient grievances, anti-Western terrorists, Baathists, opium drug lords and on and on.  Citizens of Western nations are told it is a simple fight against &quot;terrorists&quot;.  Anyone standing up to say that things are bad (the first pre-condition to fixing a situation) is told they are &quot;dovetailing their views with the terrorists.&quot;

The clash between the West and militant Islam will be a long one.  Many &quot;fronts&quot; (another misleading term in this new era) will be opened and many fights played out.  If the West hopes to win, it will need to hard-hearted and clear-sighted action, not a bunch of thin-skinned civilian pinheads who bristle at the least criticism and who want to re-fight a war that ended thirty years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Iraq is not a quagmire &#8211; what would a quagmire look like?  The list from Curzon about the ramifications of exiting Iraq are excellent.  What does the other list look like?  The one that has clear markers on what progress is so that decision-makers can make good judgments on both a tactical and strategic level?  The list that includes the effects and long-term combat operations on your forces (the best and bravest of a generation, who volunteered to fight &#8211; those guys, not the Ivy League civvies in the Beltway &#8211; the ones that don&#8217;t realize that war is not a video game, that things like logistics, supply, workable strategies, etc. matter).  And, sad to say, sometimes sound long-term strategy means withdrawal from a situation that has deteriorated.</p>

<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to get at is, Afghanistan/Iraq is a messy affair that&#8217;s been painted in simplistic terms.  It&#8217;s a mad swirl of tribal loyalties, ancient grievances, anti-Western terrorists, Baathists, opium drug lords and on and on.  Citizens of Western nations are told it is a simple fight against &#8220;terrorists&#8221;.  Anyone standing up to say that things are bad (the first pre-condition to fixing a situation) is told they are &#8220;dovetailing their views with the terrorists.&#8221;</p>

<p>The clash between the West and militant Islam will be a long one.  Many &#8220;fronts&#8221; (another misleading term in this new era) will be opened and many fights played out.  If the West hopes to win, it will need to hard-hearted and clear-sighted action, not a bunch of thin-skinned civilian pinheads who bristle at the least criticism and who want to re-fight a war that ended thirty years ago.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Admiral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Henry Kissinger is some foreign policy mastermind, and I think this is somewhat alarming that he has been hanging around the White House. Part of the reason why we lost Vietnam and may be in danger of losing this whole War on Terror is that the populace is not convinced this is a real war. The Nixon administration never succeeded in doing so, and I doubt they *really* understood its necessity. We have liberals telling us to beware government propaganda, beware colonialism, and beware the government defending us--

While we should be wary of giving government any power, how about we just be done with this thing: fight the war the way MacArthur would have, make people abhor war once and for all, but fight it as it must be fought, with resolve! Kaplan had it right in his latest about Iran, too, although I would add that we have to be willing as a people to fight this and that seems to be the most important thing missing.

Neither the Nixon administration nor the Bush administration understand how to fight that kind of a war, although it seems to me that the Bush administration has an idea of the threat. The neocon intellectuals at least understand the nature of the War: this is far too pervasive and broken right now to expect a solution any time soon. We have to fight it on every front. 

Kissinger is a pedant, too trapped in short-term realism, or at least he was. No, I don&#039;t think this is a heartening development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Henry Kissinger is some foreign policy mastermind, and I think this is somewhat alarming that he has been hanging around the White House. Part of the reason why we lost Vietnam and may be in danger of losing this whole War on Terror is that the populace is not convinced this is a real war. The Nixon administration never succeeded in doing so, and I doubt they <strong>really</strong> understood its necessity. We have liberals telling us to beware government propaganda, beware colonialism, and beware the government defending us&#8211;</p>

<p>While we should be wary of giving government any power, how about we just be done with this thing: fight the war the way MacArthur would have, make people abhor war once and for all, but fight it as it must be fought, with resolve! Kaplan had it right in his latest about Iran, too, although I would add that we have to be willing as a people to fight this and that seems to be the most important thing missing.</p>

<p>Neither the Nixon administration nor the Bush administration understand how to fight that kind of a war, although it seems to me that the Bush administration has an idea of the threat. The neocon intellectuals at least understand the nature of the War: this is far too pervasive and broken right now to expect a solution any time soon. We have to fight it on every front. </p>

<p>Kissinger is a pedant, too trapped in short-term realism, or at least he was. No, I don&#8217;t think this is a heartening development.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Alfred Russel Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all that Dan says, but I think there is an important aspect of Lord Curzon&#039;s list of the sequelae of loss of public support, and that is that in both the VietNam and now the Iraq case, the public ended up feeling it was lied to by their leaders.

So it truly behooves leaders to be honest in the first place, or not to go to war. I think the public is fairly accepting that things go wrong in war; what it cannot abide is being led up a garden path.... especially for partizan political reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all that Dan says, but I think there is an important aspect of Lord Curzon&#8217;s list of the sequelae of loss of public support, and that is that in both the VietNam and now the Iraq case, the public ended up feeling it was lied to by their leaders.</p>

<p>So it truly behooves leaders to be honest in the first place, or not to go to war. I think the public is fairly accepting that things go wrong in war; what it cannot abide is being led up a garden path&#8230;. especially for partizan political reasons.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the lesson of Vietnam:

&lt;i&gt;Don&#039;t switch sides&lt;/i&gt;

It is enraging that Nixon built a Republic of Vietnam that was able to fight, and win, her own battles, yet American isolationsists (mostly but not exclusively liberal democrats) still forfeited.  When North Vietnam invaded, after we left, South Vietnam won.  South Vietnam had a better trained, better equipped, more able army that wooped the North.  (The South Vietnamese and their American advisors had already disposed of an indigenous Communist insurgency during the Tet Offensive).

Yet the Congress, in 1974, imposed a de facto embargo on the Republic (preventing the government from loaning RVN the money to buy the supplies from American companies that the American-created army needed).  Surprise surprise, a top-notch army collapses without supply or materiel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the lesson of Vietnam:</p>

<p><i>Don&#8217;t switch sides</i></p>

<p>It is enraging that Nixon built a Republic of Vietnam that was able to fight, and win, her own battles, yet American isolationsists (mostly but not exclusively liberal democrats) still forfeited.  When North Vietnam invaded, after we left, South Vietnam won.  South Vietnam had a better trained, better equipped, more able army that wooped the North.  (The South Vietnamese and their American advisors had already disposed of an indigenous Communist insurgency during the Tet Offensive).</p>

<p>Yet the Congress, in 1974, imposed a de facto embargo on the Republic (preventing the government from loaning <span class="caps">RVN </span>the money to buy the supplies from American companies that the American-created army needed).  Surprise surprise, a top-notch army collapses without supply or materiel.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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