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		<title>By: &#8216;Did Arabs carry out the 9/11 attacks?&#8217; at DPRK Studies</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-148393</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8216;Did Arabs carry out the 9/11 attacks?&#8217; at DPRK Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117673</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite honestly, I wouldn&#039;t have said Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 either, because I believe he only carries part of the responsibility.  The real responsibility ultimately lies with each individual who made the decisions to kill other people, that is, the men who hijacked the planes.  I doubt OBL specifically thought up and ordered the attacks, and God only knows if he just claimed credit long after it was set up.  I think way fewer people would have agreed that OBL was responsible for 9/11... maybe if they asked, &quot;Do you think OBL played a role in planning and/or carrying out...&quot; they would get more positive answers.

Al Qaeda, now that&#039;s a different story, since they did claim credit.  In addition, our dear conspiracy theorists among Islamic fundamentalist terrorists have already accounted for its responsibility by insisting that Al Qaeda is actually run by the CIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t have said Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 either, because I believe he only carries part of the responsibility.  The real responsibility ultimately lies with each individual who made the decisions to kill other people, that is, the men who hijacked the planes.  I doubt <span class="caps">OBL </span>specifically thought up and ordered the attacks, and God only knows if he just claimed credit long after it was set up.  I think way fewer people would have agreed that <span class="caps">OBL </span>was responsible for 9/11&#8230; maybe if they asked, &#8220;Do you think <span class="caps">OBL </span>played a role in planning and/or carrying out&#8230;&#8221; they would get more positive answers.</p>

<p>Al Qaeda, now that&#8217;s a different story, since they did claim credit.  In addition, our dear conspiracy theorists among Islamic fundamentalist terrorists have already accounted for its responsibility by insisting that Al Qaeda is actually run by the <span class="caps">CIA.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117643</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it asks if ARABS carried out 9/11, not Muslims, or Persians, or Middle Easterners, etc.  I don&#039;t know, there is a tendency in the West to not be very aware of the differences in identity, ie the ease of labeling as &#039;Arab Muslim Islamofascists&#039; etc etc.  Do you think poll results would be the same if it asked &#039;Did Al-Qaeda carry out 9/11&#039; or &#039;Is Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11&#039;? I think they would be higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it asks if <span class="caps">ARABS </span>carried out 9/11, not Muslims, or Persians, or Middle Easterners, etc.  I don&#8217;t know, there is a tendency in the West to not be very aware of the differences in identity, ie the ease of labeling as &#8216;Arab Muslim Islamofascists&#8217; etc etc.  Do you think poll results would be the same if it asked &#8216;Did Al-Qaeda carry out 9/11&#8242; or &#8216;Is Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11&#8242;? I think they would be higher.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117600</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to have seen more opinions from American Muslims.  Maybe we could have been able to draw some conclusions about assimilation in America vs. Europe.  Also, I would be interested in how American Muslims saw the Mohammed cartoon incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to have seen more opinions from American Muslims.  Maybe we could have been able to draw some conclusions about assimilation in America vs. Europe.  Also, I would be interested in how American Muslims saw the Mohammed cartoon incident.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Richard&#039;s question on the Sudan:

The answer generally is no, not even close, there isn&#039;t much outrage about the massacres in the Sudan or Darfur in the &quot;Arab street.&quot; That is not to say that it is ignored, as the int&#039;l Arab media that I follow - mainly Al-Hayat and Al-Jazeera - have covered it a lot. And unlike in Lebanon (and elsewhere), their coverage has been pretty neutral, they haven&#039;t played up the fact that the govt is supporting the killing but they haven&#039;t ignored the other side. But Arab publics generally have not been outraged or really moved by it. Only Egypt is directly affected, and they have been beating up Sudanese refugees.

Furthermore, the Arab League, which makes the United Nations look like the Global Font of Virtue and Moral Backbone, has simply supported Khartoum. It would be disgusting if there were any reason at all to expect the Arab League to behave differently, but their isn&#039;t.

In terms of Curzon&#039;s larger point, don&#039;t expect for reactions in the countries in question to mirror reality to any real extent. Remember that suicide bombers are called &quot;martyrs&quot; in the mainstream Arab media as long as they are blowing up Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Richard&#8217;s question on the Sudan:</p>

<p>The answer generally is no, not even close, there isn&#8217;t much outrage about the massacres in the Sudan or Darfur in the &#8220;Arab street.&#8221; That is not to say that it is ignored, as the int&#8217;l Arab media that I follow &#8211; mainly Al-Hayat and Al-Jazeera &#8211; have covered it a lot. And unlike in Lebanon (and elsewhere), their coverage has been pretty neutral, they haven&#8217;t played up the fact that the govt is supporting the killing but they haven&#8217;t ignored the other side. But Arab publics generally have not been outraged or really moved by it. Only Egypt is directly affected, and they have been beating up Sudanese refugees.</p>

<p>Furthermore, the Arab League, which makes the United Nations look like the Global Font of Virtue and Moral Backbone, has simply supported Khartoum. It would be disgusting if there were any reason at all to expect the Arab League to behave differently, but their isn&#8217;t.</p>

<p>In terms of Curzon&#8217;s larger point, don&#8217;t expect for reactions in the countries in question to mirror reality to any real extent. Remember that suicide bombers are called &#8220;martyrs&#8221; in the mainstream Arab media as long as they are blowing up Jews.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A matter of opinion II</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117480</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A matter of opinion II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 412 Precondition Failed</title>
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		<dc:creator>412 Precondition Failed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117280</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just realized...

They didn&#039;t survey Russian Muslims as a separate group.  Perhaps they don&#039;t know that something like 15 - 20% of Russia is Muslim if there are indeed 25 million Muslims among 150 million inhabitants, and Moscow is thought to have the largest Muslim population of any European city.

Typical... it&#039;s things like this that prevent us from learning more from the failures of Russia and the USSR to meet the challenge of Islamic terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just realized&#8230;</p>

<p>They didn&#8217;t survey Russian Muslims as a separate group.  Perhaps they don&#8217;t know that something like 15 &#8211; 20% of Russia is Muslim if there are indeed 25 million Muslims among 150 million inhabitants, and Moscow is thought to have the largest Muslim population of any European city.</p>

<p>Typical&#8230; it&#8217;s things like this that prevent us from learning more from the failures of Russia and the <span class="caps">USSR </span>to meet the challenge of Islamic terrorism.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117278</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would note that there seems to be a lot of no-answers or don&#039;t know in some of these countries.  People might, like me, have thought that some were Pakistanis, or not known the nationalities of the hijackers.  I knew the hijackers were Muslims by birth or conversion but if someone would have called me on the phone and answer the question in a poll, I wouldn&#039;t have answered, and if forced to guess, I probably would have said no.

Not because I don&#039;t believe the press, but because I would have guessed there&#039;d be at least a few Pakistanis, Berbers, or whatever in with them.  I would have been mistaken (have since looked it up) but that would still have shown up in the statistics.

How many 2nd-generation Muslim housewives called out to their 14-year-old sons during that poll- &quot;Ahmed, where were those 9/11 hijackers from?  Do you know?&quot; and got the response, &quot;I don&#039;t know, maybe Afghanistan?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would note that there seems to be a lot of no-answers or don&#8217;t know in some of these countries.  People might, like me, have thought that some were Pakistanis, or not known the nationalities of the hijackers.  I knew the hijackers were Muslims by birth or conversion but if someone would have called me on the phone and answer the question in a poll, I wouldn&#8217;t have answered, and if forced to guess, I probably would have said no.</p>

<p>Not because I don&#8217;t believe the press, but because I would have guessed there&#8217;d be at least a few Pakistanis, Berbers, or whatever in with them.  I would have been mistaken (have since looked it up) but that would still have shown up in the statistics.</p>

<p>How many 2nd-generation Muslim housewives called out to their 14-year-old sons during that poll- &#8220;Ahmed, where were those 9/11 hijackers from?  Do you know?&#8221; and got the response, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know, maybe Afghanistan?&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i thought the point of this post is to compare the difference in sympathy fundamentalists have been able to instill in different islamic countries. the &#039;yes/no&#039; reflect how they view terrorism as a means, rather than what they really believe had happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought the point of this post is to compare the difference in sympathy fundamentalists have been able to instill in different islamic countries. the &#8216;yes/no&#8217; reflect how they view terrorism as a means, rather than what they really believe had happened.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, I think Richard hits the nail on the head.  

Interesting to note that its the countries where Muslims have been victims of Muslims terrorism (Jordan, Nigeria, Egypt) with the highest proportion of those who believe the 9/11 terrorists were Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, I think Richard hits the nail on the head.  </p>

<p>Interesting to note that its the countries where Muslims have been victims of Muslims terrorism (Jordan, Nigeria, Egypt) with the highest proportion of those who believe the 9/11 terrorists were Arabs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/08/13/a-matter-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-117227</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I mis-remember..Didn&#039;t UBL praise his &quot;brothers&quot; for carrying out the attack on the WTC?
By the way, can someone tell me if the Arab/Muslim world was outraged, as they are in the case of Lebanon, with the still continuing carnage in Darfur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I mis-remember..Didn&#8217;t <span class="caps">UBL </span>praise his &#8220;brothers&#8221; for carrying out the attack on the <span class="caps">WTC</span>?<br />
By the way, can someone tell me if the Arab/Muslim world was outraged, as they are in the case of Lebanon, with the still continuing carnage in Darfur?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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