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	<title>Comments on: Umm&#8230; that ain&#8217;t so&#160;peaceful</title>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114389</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if it wasn&#039;t George Clooney it would be someone just as stupid or self-righteous.&quot;

You&#039;re probably right there.

&quot;I think the basic principle you touch upon is: we don&#039;t need celebrities telling people what to think, because Americans are dumb enough on their own.&quot;

Alec, I disagree that that was what I was saying. I do agree that people don&#039;t need celebrities to tell them what to think, cause many celebs are just idiots. But I really don&#039;t think it&#039;s a good idea to blanket condemn Americans in general. Americans can do whatever they want and who am I to say that they make bad choices? Hopefully, they make their choices according to their own tastes and needs, whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant. 

Please don&#039;t be like many on the left who say they care about &#039;the people&#039; and yet easily fall into the trap of ridiculing the people for being stupid. It sounds too much like the old idea of &#039;we know what&#039;s good for you&#039;. 

For example, I have an uncle who is far left, who criticized me for teaching English to Koreans (cultural imperialism). Yet, he would tell Koreans &quot;no, you don&#039;t want to learn English, it will destroy your language and culture and it&#039;s evil&quot;. Meanwhile, Koreans are desperate to learn English (or to help their children learn English). So this arrogant commie wants to dictate to people in other countries that they not learn English, because it&#039;s bad for them. To me, that&#039;s complete arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if it wasn&#8217;t George Clooney it would be someone just as stupid or self-righteous.&#8221;</p>

<p>You&#8217;re probably right there.</p>

<p>&#8220;I think the basic principle you touch upon is: we don&#8217;t need celebrities telling people what to think, because Americans are dumb enough on their own.&#8221;</p>

<p>Alec, I disagree that that was what I was saying. I do agree that people don&#8217;t need celebrities to tell them what to think, cause many celebs are just idiots. But I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to blanket condemn Americans in general. Americans can do whatever they want and who am I to say that they make bad choices? Hopefully, they make their choices according to their own tastes and needs, whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant. </p>

<p>Please don&#8217;t be like many on the left who say they care about &#8216;the people&#8217; and yet easily fall into the trap of ridiculing the people for being stupid. It sounds too much like the old idea of &#8216;we know what&#8217;s good for you&#8217;. </p>

<p>For example, I have an uncle who is far left, who criticized me for teaching English to Koreans (cultural imperialism). Yet, he would tell Koreans &#8220;no, you don&#8217;t want to learn English, it will destroy your language and culture and it&#8217;s evil&#8221;. Meanwhile, Koreans are desperate to learn English (or to help their children learn English). So this arrogant commie wants to dictate to people in other countries that they not learn English, because it&#8217;s bad for them. To me, that&#8217;s complete arrogance.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114369</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germanious: I completely agree, CA is definitely a very good self-contained environment.  My point about opinions is that someone with the above qualifications would be more likely to provide a qualified opinion than Joe Blog.  I don&#039;t trust politicians and I also do not trust the common man.  Everybody, to the progressive think tank mobile! (also known as my Toyota).

Yah, they may listen to George Clooney.  But if it wasn&#039;t George Clooney it would be someone just as stupid or self-righteous.  How many people listen to Edward Said or Kaplan versus O&#039;Reilly or Anderson COOPER?   I think the basic principle you touch upon is: we don&#039;t need celebrities telling people what to think, because Americans are dumb enough on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germanious: I completely agree, CA is definitely a very good self-contained environment.  My point about opinions is that someone with the above qualifications would be more likely to provide a qualified opinion than Joe Blog.  I don&#8217;t trust politicians and I also do not trust the common man.  Everybody, to the progressive think tank mobile! (also known as my Toyota).</p>

<p>Yah, they may listen to George Clooney.  But if it wasn&#8217;t George Clooney it would be someone just as stupid or self-righteous.  How many people listen to Edward Said or Kaplan versus <span class="caps">O&#8217;R</span>eilly or Anderson <span class="caps">COOPER</span>?   I think the basic principle you touch upon is: we don&#8217;t need celebrities telling people what to think, because Americans are dumb enough on their own.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114291</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;celebrities probably know as much as you&quot;

I&#039;m certainly no expert, but I doubt many Hollywood celebs know more than me, and that&#039;s not saying much. Judging by the idiotic statements so many of them have made. What&#039;s the difference? Nobody listens to me, many people listen to George Clooney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;celebrities probably know as much as you&#8221;</p>

<p>I&#8217;m certainly no expert, but I doubt many Hollywood celebs know more than me, and that&#8217;s not saying much. Judging by the idiotic statements so many of them have made. What&#8217;s the difference? Nobody listens to me, many people listen to George Clooney.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: germanicus</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114161</link>
		<dc:creator>germanicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, the blogosphere is certainly contaminated with self-importance but I must say it doesn&#039;t show up as much on CA as elsewhere. To paraphrase a former mayorial candidate of NYC, I would rather have policy decided by those chosen at random from the Manhattan phone directory than all those having &quot;. . .a law or masters degree or significant experience in politics or foreign development or policy. . .&quot; Those having &quot;significant experience in politics&quot; currently infests the halls of Congress and, as some wag said ages ago, the opposite of &quot;Progress&quot; is &quot;Congress.&quot; {I think it was H.L. Mhenkon--sp?, but I&#039;m not sure.]Fortunately, this random sampling would greatly reduce the choice of &quot;celebrities&quot; foisting their wisdom on we lesser mortals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, the blogosphere is certainly contaminated with self-importance but I must say it doesn&#8217;t show up as much on CA as elsewhere. To paraphrase a former mayorial candidate of <span class="caps">NYC,</span> I would rather have policy decided by those chosen at random from the Manhattan phone directory than all those having &#8220;. . .a law or masters degree or significant experience in politics or foreign development or policy. . .&#8221; Those having &#8220;significant experience in politics&#8221; currently infests the halls of Congress and, as some wag said ages ago, the opposite of &#8220;Progress&#8221; is &#8220;Congress.&#8221; {I think it was <span class="caps">H.L.</span> Mhenkon&#8211;sp?, but I&#8217;m not sure.]Fortunately, this random sampling would greatly reduce the choice of &#8220;celebrities&#8221; foisting their wisdom on we lesser mortals.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114121</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because I have a sweet domain name doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m a celebrity OR nuts.  And I was being facecious.  And, also, unless you have a law or masters degree or significant experience in politics or foreign development or policy (which you may), celebrities probably know as much as you.  Don&#039;t forget, the blogosphere is as contamonated with self-importance and self-righteousness as Hollywood (except we get less attention).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because I have a sweet domain name doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m a celebrity OR nuts.  And I was being facecious.  And, also, unless you have a law or masters degree or significant experience in politics or foreign development or policy (which you may), celebrities probably know as much as you.  Don&#8217;t forget, the blogosphere is as contamonated with self-importance and self-righteousness as Hollywood (except we get less attention).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: heirabbit</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114099</link>
		<dc:creator>heirabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just more violence in the cause of peace, the asassination to end all asassinations - like the Yugoslavian war - blow up those vicious genocidal maniacs!  Blow up those monsters - and their children, and grandparents...blow them ALL up!

Sorry, got a little carried away trying to get the next Nobel (TNT) Peace Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just more violence in the cause of peace, the asassination to end all asassinations &#8211; like the Yugoslavian war &#8211; blow up those vicious genocidal maniacs!  Blow up those monsters &#8211; and their children, and grandparents&#8230;blow them <span class="caps">ALL </span>up!</p>

<p>Sorry, got a little carried away trying to get the next Nobel (TNT) Peace Prize.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114062</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And if Rush Limbaugh ever became President, I would promptly stuff my head into an oven.&quot;

Are you nuts? No politician is worth that. Not even Stalin. Let&#039;s not get overdramatic here. Is it because many on the left are from the field of entertainment that we get such use of dramatics in the decrying of Bush and other conservatives? It&#039;s little more than a joke to me. I just can&#039;t take celebrities and other public figures seriously, especially when they talk about politics and other such things they know absolutely nothing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if Rush Limbaugh ever became President, I would promptly stuff my head into an oven.&#8221;</p>

<p>Are you nuts? No politician is worth that. Not even Stalin. Let&#8217;s not get overdramatic here. Is it because many on the left are from the field of entertainment that we get such use of dramatics in the decrying of Bush and other conservatives? It&#8217;s little more than a joke to me. I just can&#8217;t take celebrities and other public figures seriously, especially when they talk about politics and other such things they know absolutely nothing about.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well....the nobel peace prize is sometimes f-up, mainly regarding political figures. but this williams is not really a politician.

...and her musing is clearly not for serious. to gang up on her is like ganging up on bush&#039;s groping as &#039;harrassment&#039;, or bush &#039;sh!t&#039; conversation with poodle blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;.the nobel peace prize is sometimes f-up, mainly regarding political figures. but this williams is not really a politician.</p>

<p>&#8230;and her musing is clearly not for serious. to gang up on her is like ganging up on bush&#8217;s groping as &#8216;harrassment&#8217;, or bush &#8217;sh!t&#8217; conversation with poodle blair.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sounds like KTU material to me</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sounds like KTU material to me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-114011</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Power morphing itself into tyranny is nothing new to history... And if Rush Limbaugh ever became President, I would promptly stuff my head into an oven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Power morphing itself into tyranny is nothing new to history&#8230; And if Rush Limbaugh ever became President, I would promptly stuff my head into an oven.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: staypuftman</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113958</link>
		<dc:creator>staypuftman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came up with a term that I think aptly describes these seemingly contradictory extreme-left positions - liberal fascism.  It seems like the far left would just as soon kill the far right (and vice versa) while the rationally ignorant middle watches on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came up with a term that I think aptly describes these seemingly contradictory extreme-left positions &#8211; liberal fascism.  It seems like the far left would just as soon kill the far right (and vice versa) while the rationally ignorant middle watches on <span class="caps">TV.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113922</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just imagine the delerium that would be caused if someone like Anne Coulter or Rush Limbaugh ever became President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just imagine the delerium that would be caused if someone like Anne Coulter or Rush Limbaugh ever became President.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113877</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t sum it up as Australia being anti-American.  Most Aussies are pro-American due to shared history and culture and just like America they are split down the middle on what they think about President Bush.   She could have given that speech in a US university and probably would have gotten a even bigger applause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t sum it up as Australia being anti-American.  Most Aussies are pro-American due to shared history and culture and just like America they are split down the middle on what they think about President Bush.   She could have given that speech in a US university and probably would have gotten a even bigger applause.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113846</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho, I placed the Nobel up (or perhaps, down) on par with the Oscars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho, I placed the Nobel up (or perhaps, down) on par with the Oscars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113844</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my Victorian prudishness, but I would like to see some more peaceful _language_ used! Whew!

_Wot wot!_ for knifey-spoony!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my Victorian prudishness, but I would like to see some more peaceful <em>language</em> used! Whew!</p>

<p><em>Wot wot!</em> for knifey-spoony!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113843</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is already a movie on the &#039;truth&#039; of Guiliani coming out, should be smeartastic.  Don&#039;t forget the campaigns waged against Clinton, because god knows nothing endangers a nation more than a blowjob.  And for the record, we already have an eternal, undead enemy: Dick Cheney.

Catholic: Arafat was given the Peace Prize with Rabin and Sheres.  The triple threat of fucking up a peace award, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is already a movie on the &#8216;truth&#8217; of Guiliani coming out, should be smeartastic.  Don&#8217;t forget the campaigns waged against Clinton, because god knows nothing endangers a nation more than a blowjob.  And for the record, we already have an eternal, undead enemy: Dick Cheney.</p>

<p>Catholic: Arafat was given the Peace Prize with Rabin and Sheres.  The triple threat of fucking up a peace award, if you will.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113809</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demetrius,
Enemies are made in seconds with lclosets filled with imagined bodies.  Just wait for the next Republican candidate to be selected, by the end of the campaign it will be widely known that he only feeds on the livers of newborns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demetrius,<br />
Enemies are made in seconds with lclosets filled with imagined bodies.  Just wait for the next Republican candidate to be selected, by the end of the campaign it will be widely known that he only feeds on the livers of newborns.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Demetrius</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113801</link>
		<dc:creator>Demetrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Insane Bush Hatred&quot; is indulged in by a certain type of progressive as a sort of tribal marker. They mark themselves out as special, insightful sensitive people, far above the common ruck of ignorant &quot;Archie Bunker&quot; types (that&#039;s most of the rest of us) by indulging in these ridiculous orgies. Orwell&#039;s &quot;Two-Minute Hate&quot; in 1984 comes to mind.

I look forward to the end of Bush&#039;s second term to just to see these progressives flounder, at a loss for an enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Insane Bush Hatred&#8221; is indulged in by a certain type of progressive as a sort of tribal marker. They mark themselves out as special, insightful sensitive people, far above the common ruck of ignorant &#8220;Archie Bunker&#8221; types (that&#8217;s most of the rest of us) by indulging in these ridiculous orgies. Orwell&#8217;s &#8220;Two-Minute Hate&#8221; in 1984 comes to mind.</p>

<p>I look forward to the end of Bush&#8217;s second term to just to see these progressives flounder, at a loss for an enemy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Catholicgauze</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113800</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholicgauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same people who gave her award gave Arafat one too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same people who gave her award gave Arafat one too</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113797</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think there might be a few stations between licking fingers and wanting to kill the duly elected President of the United States? Not that people like her ever do anything so Bush can sleep soundly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think there might be a few stations between licking fingers and wanting to kill the duly elected President of the United States? Not that people like her ever do anything so Bush can sleep soundly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/07/25/umm-that-aint-so-peaceful/comment-page-1/#comment-113795</link>
		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least she proved she&#039;s not non-violent (or that she&#039;s played knifey-spoony before).  I thought Australia was the only country else than GB and Israel that licks George&#039;s fingers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least she proved she&#8217;s not non-violent (or that she&#8217;s played knifey-spoony before).  I thought Australia was the only country else than GB and Israel that licks George&#8217;s fingers?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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