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	<title>Comments on: Hostile Maneuvers,&#160;Reloaded</title>
	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/</link>
	<description>Speak Victorian, Think Pagan</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-85401</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 09:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-85401</guid>
		<description>ok, here is the "SDF map":http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2006/05/japanese-air-defence-identification.html

looks quite outrageous, SDF is alerted even if China is flying in its own undisputed Chinese EEZ. no wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, here is the <a href="http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2006/05/japanese-air-defence-identification.html" title="" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/sun-bin.blogspot.com');"><span class="caps">SDF</span> map</a></p>
<p>looks quite outrageous, <span class="caps">SDF</span> is alerted even if China is flying in its own undisputed Chinese <span class="caps">EEZ</span>. no wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83393</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83393</guid>
		<description>btw, do you happen to have the map of SDF definition of alert zone?

i ask because chinese media reported that it includes part of the area west of japan's EEZ claim zone, 130 km east of china's coastline.

all i know is japan's own EEZ, which is not as outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, do you happen to have the map of <span class="caps">SDF</span> definition of alert zone?</p>
<p>i ask because chinese media reported that it includes part of the area west of japan&#8217;s <span class="caps">EEZ</span> claim zone, 130 km east of china&#8217;s coastline.</p>
<p>all i know is japan&#8217;s own <span class="caps">EEZ</span>, which is not as outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83149</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83149</guid>
		<description>curzon,

it could also be said that "(some factions in japan/etc) are deliberately provoking china to react'....you need to give them an excuse, don't you? and more of the yasukuni shit happened since a year ago, was there any large street protest?

anyway, the fact that china is upping its defense spending has more to do with taiwan, than anything else. (also securing oil import, etc). it is trying to build a credible deterrant on taiwan. there is really nothing against japan, until japan prepared itself to intervene in taiwan, that was what hit china's nerve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curzon,</p>
<p>it could also be said that &#8220;(some factions in japan/etc) are deliberately provoking china to react&#8217;....you need to give them an excuse, don&#8217;t you? and more of the yasukuni shit happened since a year ago, was there any large street protest?</p>
<p>anyway, the fact that china is upping its defense spending has more to do with taiwan, than anything else. (also securing oil import, etc). it is trying to build a credible deterrant on taiwan. there is really nothing against japan, until japan prepared itself to intervene in taiwan, that was what hit china&#8217;s nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Petti</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83141</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Petti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83141</guid>
		<description>Curzon: they are manufacturing and utilizing nationalism because the state must protect itself from international and domestic threats--the party has recast itself as the best option for leading China to Great Power status and recovering all that was lost of the years of colonialism, imperialism, and defeat in war.  Given their need to protect the state from internal and external threats I would say that they have done no more than any other state to play the nationalist card when it suites their needs.  

Additionally, they have done so in a way that has not caused great consternation in the region to the point where states balance against it--they have been incredibly pragmatic and efficient in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curzon: they are manufacturing and utilizing nationalism because the state must protect itself from international and domestic threats&#8212;the party has recast itself as the best option for leading China to Great Power status and recovering all that was lost of the years of colonialism, imperialism, and defeat in war.  Given their need to protect the state from internal and external threats I would say that they have done no more than any other state to play the nationalist card when it suites their needs.</p>
<p>Additionally, they have done so in a way that has not caused great consternation in the region to the point where states balance against it&#8212;they have been incredibly pragmatic and efficient in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83108</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83108</guid>
		<description>Bill: if China was genuinely engaged in a realist struggle for power I would be more comfortable than their current policy of "deliberately manufacturing hatred against their neighbors.":http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/04/11/weve-created-a-monster/  This bodes very badly for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: if China was genuinely engaged in a realist struggle for power I would be more comfortable than their current policy of <a href="http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/04/11/weve-created-a-monster/" title="" >deliberately manufacturing hatred against their neighbors.</a>  This bodes very badly for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Japan: China&#8217;s military buildup</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83058</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Japan: China&#8217;s military buildup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83058</guid>
		<description>[...] In Hostile Maneuvers, Reloaded, Curzon at Coming Anarchy traces increases in Chinese military spending since the 1990s in the context of Japan&#8217;s ratification of the American Missile Defense Plan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In Hostile Maneuvers, Reloaded, Curzon at Coming Anarchy traces increases in Chinese military spending since the 1990s in the context of Japan&#8217;s ratification of the American Missile Defense Plan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83053</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83053</guid>
		<description>Japanese rules of engagement: Wait until the missiles are in the air, then transform the SDF trucks into giant robots and let the fun commence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japanese rules of engagement: Wait until the missiles are in the air, then transform the <span class="caps">SDF</span> trucks into giant robots and let the fun commence!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kelley</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83044</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83044</guid>
		<description>Maybe they can shoot one down if it gets to close.  Making them look like the aggressor   Just like the chinese did with ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they can shoot one down if it gets to close.  Making them look like the aggressor   Just like the chinese did with ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Russel Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83029</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Russel Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83029</guid>
		<description>107 in three months is more than one a day......  sounds very provocative to me, or have the Japanese rules of engagement changed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>107 in three months is more than one a day&#8230;...  sounds very provocative to me, or have the Japanese rules of engagement changed?</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83004</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-83004</guid>
		<description>And Bill, no one is saying that China shouldn't modernize. What I am saying is that we have to watch and be wary. Make deals and cooperate, but always remain vigilant. Of course its expected that they will play the game of realpolitik. Every nation does, and the US should continue to do so itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Bill, no one is saying that China shouldn&#8217;t modernize. What I am saying is that we have to watch and be wary. Make deals and cooperate, but always remain vigilant. Of course its expected that they will play the game of realpolitik. Every nation does, and the US should continue to do so itself.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82999</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82999</guid>
		<description>South Korea has gained greatly in alliance with the US. It would be crazy to throw that away for an unworkable 'balancer' role and for cosying up to China. Like I said, China is untrustworthy. SK cannot really know the intentions of the Chinese, and I highly doubt that they will listen to the objections of South Koreans to the degree that the US does and did. I'm not begrudging the Chinese to develop in every way they can. But we should be watching their every move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Korea has gained greatly in alliance with the US. It would be crazy to throw that away for an unworkable &#8216;balancer&#8217; role and for cosying up to China. Like I said, China is untrustworthy. SK cannot really know the intentions of the Chinese, and I highly doubt that they will listen to the objections of South Koreans to the degree that the US does and did. I&#8217;m not begrudging the Chinese to develop in every way they can. But we should be watching their every move.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82988</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82988</guid>
		<description>Bill- Indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill- Indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Petti</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82985</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Petti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82985</guid>
		<description>"China is just not trustworthy"

And precisely who is in the international system?  Given that there is no one to guarantee a state's security why should &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; state be trusted?  What makes China less trustworthy than other states in the region--is it just their increase in military spending, spending disproportionate to the threats they face (as we define them)?  Is it their desire to achieve Great Power status or regional hegemony?  Who would not want to achieve these things and the advantages that accompany them?  If I am not mistaken, that was and is an integral part of US grand strategy and it seems to be working out pretty well for us.  China would be silly &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to modernize and grow its military.

Unlike some other psuedo-great powers in the world I would think analysts who appreciate deft strategic thinking would be applauding China for understanding how international relations &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; works :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;China is just not trustworthy&#8221;</p>
<p>And precisely who is in the international system?  Given that there is no one to guarantee a state&#8217;s security why should <i>any</i> state be trusted?  What makes China less trustworthy than other states in the region&#8212;is it just their increase in military spending, spending disproportionate to the threats they face (as we define them)?  Is it their desire to achieve Great Power status or regional hegemony?  Who would not want to achieve these things and the advantages that accompany them?  If I am not mistaken, that was and is an integral part of US grand strategy and it seems to be working out pretty well for us.  China would be silly <i>not</i> to modernize and grow its military.</p>
<p>Unlike some other psuedo-great powers in the world I would think analysts who appreciate deft strategic thinking would be applauding China for understanding how international relations <i>really</i> works :)</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82914</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82914</guid>
		<description>Are those figures in real dollars or PPP?  If they are in real dollars, and China is purchasing from itself, then they may have already exceeded Japan's spending power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are those figures in real dollars or <span class="caps">PPP</span>?  If they are in real dollars, and China is purchasing from itself, then they may have already exceeded Japan&#8217;s spending power.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82911</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/04/24/hostile-maneuvers-reloaded/#comment-82911</guid>
		<description>The Japanese know very well that partnering with the US is in its best interests. Too bad that the current leadership of South Korea can't seem to make up its mind. By following a ridiculous policy of being a 'balancer' in SE Asia, South Korea risks being pushed aside in times of conflict, or worse, of being railroaded by the big players. Having the US as a strong partner is absolutely the best option for SK. China is just not trustworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese know very well that partnering with the US is in its best interests. Too bad that the current leadership of South Korea can&#8217;t seem to make up its mind. By following a ridiculous policy of being a &#8216;balancer&#8217; in <span class="caps">SE </span>Asia, South Korea risks being pushed aside in times of conflict, or worse, of being railroaded by the big players. Having the US as a strong partner is absolutely the best option for SK. China is just not trustworthy.</p>
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