Wow. I personally like the echo her voice had to it; it was like the prophet Mohammed came down to earth to speak through her.

Glad to see you did watch the video YH. Miss Sultan lays down some serious secular fire and brimstone. The most important part of this isn’t even someone from the Muslim world saying this but somebody saying it in Arabic on Al Jazeera so Arabs actually see it.

how could she say somthing like that about islam

islam is the religion of mercy, kindness, and hummenity

all what she said wasn’t true.

islam came with peace, and prophet mohammed orederd moslims not to kill a child or a woman or old person, even man who doesn’t have wipon. also he prevent destroying any holy place!!

thats what i know about islam, i think she is a big lier.

Thanks for the link. I was disappointed to find out she was a secular Muslim, though, as I don’t think that her message will have much pull with the Muslims I’d like to send it to. They would think, “If that sort of thinking leads to athiesm, I won’t listen to it.” When you live in a country where people in the neighbourhood die everyday from disease and violence, you end up being too God-fearing to risk your chances for a little intellectual integrity.

And if you told them you were a Buddhist instead?

Yeah, but try that in the UAE.

The average Dubai resident probably wouldn’t care much, but the united emirates policy is pretty anti-Jewish, no?

Yoy left out the !
Wafa Sultan said, “Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies.”Â?

Predudice needs to be identified and censured wherever and whenever it appears.

The Qur’an repeatedly emphasizes the unity of mankind and yet recognizes the diversity within humanity. Dialogue that is respectful, thoughtful and tolerent of different religions and cultures is a goal worth striving for.

The term ‘secular Muslim’ seems like an oxymoron. A Muslim is someone who follows Islam, so a person can’t be secular and a real Muslim at the same time. Likewise, a ‘secular Christian’ would be an oxymoron. However, it’s possible to be a ‘secular Jew’, because being a Jew can refer to both a religion or a certain race of people. Muslims are not a single race; they are strictly a religious group.

Dr. Wafa (Hah I doubt even that).

Anyone with a 3rd grade history lesson would have told you she was completely wrong. Proto-Zionist’s in Palestine and Europe have blown up anyone or anything that challenged the establishment of a Zionist safe haven. The Bask have had a long war with Spain (which is still alive and well), the Tamil tigers have had more suicide bombings than all other nations combined including the ones in occupied Palestine. The illegal occupation of Iraq and Vietnam by the United Hates of America are nothing compared to the massacres of Pawnee, Lakota, and 300 other Native American nations and cultures over a time span of 400 years. Oh and by the way I’ll stay away from the enslavement, rape, and killing of over one hundred million Africans just so you don’t say I am playing the race card. And let us not forget the most recent tragedy of all the war casualties of WWI and WWII. You racist ethnocentric xenophobes make me sick. Anyone who wants to preserve their way of life or practice their beliefs or culture is not a threat to you it is you who are a threat to them. The Anglo-Yiddish a.k.a. Ashkenazi and Anglo-Saxon war machines are well know for their long running campaigns and treaty breakings.

The lady has some good points, when she citicizes the typical muslim lamenting and whining, which is well seen when “we” muslims (I am one myself) take any help from the west when there is a catastrophy but attack western civilians or even NGOs.
The comparison with the achievements of the Jews is also partially good and eye-opening.
When it comes to terrorism however she is totally wrong in sugarcoating jewish history. Israeli authors Avi Shlaim, Tom Segev, Ilan Pape or Benny Morris have written comprehensive and well-researched books about Israels history and the major role terrorism had in it.
Long before Palestinians hijacked planes or bombed Cafes, jewish organizations Irgun or the Stern gang blew up hotels or killed european diplomats.
And compared to the Torah and the Talmud the Qurans violence is minimal. The Israelis display the David star in their flag and let themselves be celebrated as intellectual technocrats or secularists while David killed 100000 people according to their own books. Just an example.
Ms. Sultan is very one-sided in her view of history. She blames the clash of civilisations on the Qurans distinguishing of believers, “People of the Book”, etc. as though the “Book” (the Torah) was any tolerant or peaceful.
The Quran at least acknowledges the equality of all Prophets and sees them in one line teaching the one and only eternal religion of the same God.
If Ms. Sultan wants to compare religions, then she should not compare secular jewish scientists with radical islamic militants. Rather she should compare the radicals, which are part of both people.
Her denial of the role of Islam in the formation, development or renaissance of many sciences during Islams “golden age” is laughable, when she not precisely attacks islamic fundamentalists but all Muslims when she calls them backward.
No question, the behaviour of many Muslims and the happenings in many muslim countries are a shame but does she really think the common muslims are happy with their governments or with their Islamists? Is it not obvious that by far the most victims of Islamists have been Muslims themselves?
Are victims and perpetrators equal because both are muslims?

Portraying the entire western world “civilized” and people of science and thereby including mass-murdering liars and warmongers like Bush, Rumsfled and Cheney into the group of the “good” (because non-muslim westerners) while at the same time labeling all Muslims medi-evalists is dishonest and unfair.

All together she has some good points but the way she presents it is merely provocative and insulting and not fruitful, because it warms the heart of racists and muslim-haters in the west while it fails to make muslims reflect.

“I don’t believe you can reform Islam,” Dr. Wafa Sultan said. “Islamic scriptures are riddled with violence, misogyny and other extremist ideas.Once you try to fix it, you’re going to break it.”

Dr. Wafa Sultan, a US citizen and former Muslim, is called a hero and widely quoted in the media for making this sweeping condemnation of the religion of Islam. Several million Americans are Muslims. Most Americans do not know this. They do not know much, if anything, about the religion of Islam. Their opinions of Muslims are formed by the horrible criminal acts committed on 9/11 and subsequent TV news. They do not personally know any Muslims. But many hate “them”Â?, fear “them”Â? or both. (surveys say 52 %)  And so they embrace and praise Wafa Sultan’s statements.
                                                                                                               
When the mainstream media hail someone as a hero and that person,herself, says that she is the self-appointed savior of people who wrongly believe in a major world religion, that person should expect fair and rational but close scrutiny. So consider this story below.(excerpt from The Times online/ UK/March 19, 2006)

“Sultan, who worked as a family practitioner in Syria after qualifying as a doctor, also speaks about the virulent anti-semitism that was inculcated in her and all Syrian children. This made her so terrified of Jews that she refused to act the part of the Israeli prime minister Golda Meir in a school play.
“ËœUntil I came to United States I used to believe that Jewish people are not human creatures’ she says. “ËœUnfortunately this is the way I was brought up, to believe that Jews don’t have our human features, they don’t have our human voices’.

In the first week she was in the United States she and her husband went to a shoe shop in Hollywood. Her husband asked the clerk where he was from and when he said that he was an Israeli Jew, “Ëœyou can’t believe what I did’ she says. “ËœI ran away without shoes, barefoot. My husband followed me. He said, “ËœHow stupid you are.’ But I said, “ËœI cannot tolerate him.’ I was scared to death because he was from Israel; I reacted in a very bad, negative way, because of the way I had been raised, for the past 30 years of my life.”Â?  (She is now 47.)

You have to be taught, very carefully taught, to hate a whole group of people.
Part of that is to learn to make sweeping generalizations. Apparently, judging by the above examples, Wafa Sultan was so taught.Then recently, Wafa Sultan was on TV praising the Jewish people as nonviolent. Unfortunately, it appears that she just transferred her prejudice to a different group of people.”Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies.”Â? Prejudice needs to be identified and censured wherever
it appears.

Further, this comment of Nima’s id worth repeating, “All together she has some good points but the way she presents it is merely provocative and insulting and not fruitful, because it warms the heart of racists and muslim-haters in the west while it fails to make muslims reflect.”

Nima’s comment is well worth repeating and considering. She says of Wafa, “All together she has some good points but the way she presents it is merely provocative and insulting and not fruitful, because it warms the heart of racists and Muslim-haters in the west while it fails to make Muslims reflect.”Â?

Any person’s attempt to be respectful and kind in response to another person’s remarks, no matter how inflammatory those person’s remarks are, is to be commended. So I have written an analysis below of Nina’a statement with great respect for her. However, I suggest that stronger statements of protest are needed.

“{Wafa} has some good points”Â?: Are there Muslim extremists in the world and are they violent. Without doubt. Do they use quotations from the Qur’an to justify their actions? Yes. They twist these quotations for their own purposes. But yes, they do use them. No argument there. Do they represent the beliefs of the seven million Muslim-American in the U.S ? Only a person who is blinded by prejudice can believe that.

“The way she (Wafa) presents them is provocative and insulting.”Â?
That is a great understatement by Nima, probably in order to be reasonable
and kind, and that is certainly commendable.

Wafa’s statements are a flagrant distortion of the truth. Can we maintain a society that is just and humane if we do not vigorous speaks out against any pronouncement that ” warms the heart of racists and Muslim-haters in the West.”Â? If Wafa made such claims, starting out: “Niggers are…”Â? or “Jews are…”Â?, she would rightly be widely condemned. Why is she widely proclaimed as a hero? Is this the new prejudice in this country , “Muslims are …”Â? ?

“Fails to make Muslims reflect…”Â? Any person who tells another that her or his religion is beyond repair, that it is fatally flawed, certainly should not be surprised that “it fails to make that person reflect”Â?

I wonder what Dr. Wafa Sultan’s motivation is ? If acclaim and fame are what she sought, she has been highly successful. I suggest she should do some soul-searching about the way she has achieved it. When people reflect on her statements, her fame may turn to notoriety.

As a muslim i believe this lady here is talking pure nonsense. Her arguments are filled with rhetorics as well as misleading provocation that is further fueled with streotypes. Regardsless of the points made, it is hard for me to see whether her knowledge of the Abrahamaic religion is up to par with the truth. They will always be extremes on any sides, but she failed to realise the medium tendency of Islamic teachings that has been under utilize. I am impressed with her courage and it should be made more often, but as with any talks she started to steer of the topic and continue with the popular trend of using rhetorics which is untrue. She is giving what people want to hear, and that is not professional. That kind of talk is not productive but further examplify the clash of civilisation. YES! She is an example of that. It is amazing how the modernity of the 21st century always go out of sync, fashion, politics, whatever else she claims 21st century western people achieve. But religion has stood the test of time for centuries. Not only the Abrahamaic religions but all sort of religions. She need to realise that modernity explained by logic will always be proven illogical in the future. Secularism does not satisfy man’s security, it is amazing how the number of people duagnosed with clinical depression coincide with those who do not have a system of faith. There is a reason the word faith exist, to believe in something intangible, illogical. But then again, as with anything illogical it will turn out to be logical. It just depends on how you see it. Don’t believe me? The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) mentioned that the higher one goes, the harder it is for one to breath. That made absolutely no sense at all during his time, but now that is the accepted truth. He also said that people will know the state of their house while one is out, i think now we can now what is going on via web cams etc. For me all this label of religion being backwards is just premature and wrong. It takes time for logic to be presented what is needed is a little bit of faith.
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btw for you non-muslims i have no problem talking with you regardless of race, religion bla bla bla bla bla. If anyone wish to have a dialogue mail me at ampraxius@gmail.com

Powerful, she is calling for an awakening.
If Islam is so peaceful and tolerant of others, how can the few fools that taint the world’s opinion be so tolerated. Where is the condemnation from within Islam? If peace is desired let us work peacefully, not blowing up each other. European Christianity is and has been coming to grips with its own errors of the past. In this day of mass communication, even the Pope (JP-II) has been seen asking for historical forgiveness. Where is Islam’s apology?

Hey “Jone”, learn to spell, youre as ignorant as the rest of them.

Look, yeah, this lady speaks the truth, no doubt ,but, will it get through to those boneheads over there? Probably not, its kinda like wasted breath on her part, unfortunately. Bottome line, Muslims, Christians, etc. need to stop pushing their Religion on other people. stop chastizing them for their faith and believing in their choice of religions, stop pushing. You guys are gonna piss off all those Virgins up there! Youre coming at too fast of a rate for them to keep up:) Hehe What a joke.