Comments on: British Egypt and PNM Theory Part II http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:25:40 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Case Study in Domestic PNM Theory http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-82497 ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Case Study in Domestic PNM Theory Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:53:49 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-82497 [...] Domestic PNM TheoryPowerkraut?Mapping the Gap Part III by ChirolBritish Egypt and PNM Theory Part IIBattle of the Books [...] [...] Domestic PNM TheoryPowerkraut?Mapping the Gap Part III by ChirolBritish Egypt and PNM Theory Part IIBattle of the Books [...]

]]> By: Grendel http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63117 Grendel Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:10:43 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-63117 If it were a few insults, well, life is tough, right? I just noticed that there's a certain attitude towards each other that seems rather worsening than the opposite, supported by marginalization and by becoming more and more common, maybe even obligatory, it's a self-perpetualizing process that's difficult to ignore and overlook. And I'm not too convinced it's only superficial, although I agree with you that on the nation-state level, the situation is much calmer and cooperative. I'm thinking of a rather individual level... I've been in highschool in Michigan back in 1995, with a Brazilian and a French guy, Cedric. I and Mr. Brazil were accepted on first sight, but Cedric was less worth than the dirt under his classmate's nails, there were even people who spit on the guy every now and then. He never had a chance, although being a nice guy he had maybe two friends in the whole school (guess who). I know this example is way not representative, but since then lots of other details, (little or big) insults, various political incidents and misplaced "Schadenfreude" etc. added up, even to economic "sanctions" (boycott of French or seemingly French goods) and baffling cultural backlashes a.k.a. "freedom fries". Preconceiving older symbols of friendship like the Statue of Liberty and people like Benjamin Franklin, La Fayette, Roosevelt & Cassin, Alexis de Tocqueville, Sidney Bechet and Gertrude Stein (which you can't miss hearing about if you're studying in Düsseldorf ;-) ), I wonder when the relationship started to degrade - maybe not its foundation, but certainly in Joe's (and Jean's) routine of the day and dealing with each other. If it were a few insults, well, life is tough, right? I just noticed that there’s a certain attitude towards each other that seems rather worsening than the opposite, supported by marginalization and by becoming more and more common, maybe even obligatory, it’s a self-perpetualizing process that’s difficult to ignore and overlook. And I’m not too convinced it’s only superficial, although I agree with you that on the nation-state level, the situation is much calmer and cooperative. I’m thinking of a rather individual level… I’ve been in highschool in Michigan back in 1995, with a Brazilian and a French guy, Cedric. I and Mr. Brazil were accepted on first sight, but Cedric was less worth than the dirt under his classmate’s nails, there were even people who spit on the guy every now and then. He never had a chance, although being a nice guy he had maybe two friends in the whole school (guess who). I know this example is way not representative, but since then lots of other details, (little or big) insults, various political incidents and misplaced “Schadenfreude” etc. added up, even to economic “sanctions” (boycott of French or seemingly French goods) and baffling cultural backlashes a.k.a. “freedom fries”.

Preconceiving older symbols of friendship like the Statue of Liberty and people like Benjamin Franklin, La Fayette, Roosevelt & Cassin, Alexis de Tocqueville, Sidney Bechet and Gertrude Stein (which you can’t miss hearing about if you’re studying in Düsseldorf ;-) ), I wonder when the relationship started to degrade – maybe not its foundation, but certainly in Joe’s (and Jean’s) routine of the day and dealing with each other.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63109 Chirol Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:32:42 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-63109 Grendel: What's a few insults among friends? Actually, though I do admit to enjoying the occasional shot at the French, they are quietly helping the United States in places like Djibouti. Despite superficial bickering on both sides, there's still a quiet and contiual cooperation beneath the surface! Grendel: What’s a few insults among friends? Actually, though I do admit to enjoying the occasional shot at the French, they are quietly helping the United States in places like Djibouti. Despite superficial bickering on both sides, there’s still a quiet and contiual cooperation beneath the surface!

]]> By: Grendel http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63107 Grendel Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:24:39 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-63107 <i>The French as usual did not participate,cried foul and resorting to their usual tactic of doing nothing.</i> Just curious... when did bashing the French become customary? The French as usual did not participate,cried foul and resorting to their usual tactic of doing nothing.

Just curious… when did bashing the French become customary?

]]> By: Elizabeth http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63070 Elizabeth Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:12:35 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-63070 Chirol- I am not suggesting you condone it. But it's so neo-colonial to (a) use the term "developed" (Egypt has developed, it's just not rich) and (b) to make a point of defining corruption against patronage, when we know that we will still gloss over these distinctions in our own rich countries. Chirol- I am not suggesting you condone it. But it’s so neo-colonial to (a) use the term “developed” (Egypt has developed, it’s just not rich) and (b) to make a point of defining corruption against patronage, when we know that we will still gloss over these distinctions in our own rich countries.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-63042 Chirol Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:23:20 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-63042 Matt: Thanks! Elizabeth: I don't condone it in rich ones at all. It is just more rampant in the third world. Matt: Thanks!

Elizabeth: I don’t condone it in rich ones at all. It is just more rampant in the third world.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-62992 Elizabeth Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:26:30 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-62992 This series looks to be promising. However, can you do away with the neo-colonial rhetoric? <i>"Since the Egyptian government was filled with "patronage,"Â? known to the developed world as corruption"</i>... when it occurs in poor countries, and cronyism or patronage, when it occurs in rich ones. This series looks to be promising. However, can you do away with the neo-colonial rhetoric?

“Since the Egyptian government was filled with “patronage,”Â? known to the developed world as corruption”… when it occurs in poor countries, and cronyism or patronage, when it occurs in rich ones.

]]> By: Matt http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/19/british-egypt-and-pnm-theory-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-62941 Matt Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:18:57 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=1567#comment-62941 Very interesting post, Chirol! Very interesting post, Chirol!

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