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January 18th, 2006

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Neither Evil nor Dumb

Say what you will about Stratfor, they have a way of clarifing political issues like few others can. How many times have I heard people say that President Bush is stupid? Or that Kim Jong Il is a buffoon? Sorry, you’re wrong—and this excerpt from a recent Stratfor article, summarized by yours truly, says why.

One of the ways to avoid thinking seriously about foreign policy is to dismiss anyone who does not behave as you would. Such a person is unpredictable, scary, and cannot be controlled. You are therefore relieved of the burden of doing anything about him. In foreign policy, it is sometimes useful to appear to be insane or stupid. Insanity is a great tool of unpredictability, and the less predictable you are, the more power you have. Stupidity lulls opponents into falsely believing that they can deal with you at any time they like. Thus some leaders deliberately cultivate an aura of insanity or stupidity to their own advantage.

However, people who climb to the leadership of nations containing many millions of people must be highly disciplined, with insight into others and the ability to plan carefully. Lunatics rarely have those characteristics. Certainly, there have been sociopaths—like Hitler—but at the same time, he was a very able, insightful, meticulous man. He might have been crazy, but dismissing him because he was crazy—as many did—was a massive mistake.

Stratfor has noted on several occasions that the above description applies to a number of politicians, namely President Bush, Kim Jong Il, and President Ahmadinejad. In truth, all these men rose to power through a complex process by which they were vetted by a number of different powerful interests and groups. All three men must answer to a number of backers, many with differing if not competing interests. And none got to where they are by being dumb or nuts. Labeling them as such might feel good, it is neither helpful nor clarifying.

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Gabriel Mihalache
January 18, 2006
1:51 pm
Well, what about the "neither evil" part? Whatever "evil" means to you, I suspect it should apply to at least one of those 3 men. (In my case, to all 3)

Also, being willing to do things other aren't doesn't make you smart (or dumb). I'm reminded of that old saying about being smart in politics and in sports: we need people smart enough to play the best game but dumb enough not to realize it doesn't matter.

If you're in professional politics you're already a stupid-stupid-bad person in my view. ;-) Applealing to the least common denominator is not PhD-thesis-in-genetics hard but rather I'm-willing-to-do-whatever-it-takes-wink-wink hard.

P.S. Let's stop comparing people to Hitler! He was so bad that, compared to him, anyone is a little fluffy lamb in comparison. We're letting them off easy... why not compare them to Margaret Tatcher instead? Or, dare I say it, Thomas Jefferson?
mark safranski
January 18, 2006
3:34 pm
Vyacheslav Molotov, Stalin's icy and slavishly robotic Foreign Minister and confidant, long maintained that Western views of Hitler as " crazy" or " insane" were flatly wrong. Molotov who had negotiated with Hitler personally found him to have been a tough, well-informed adversary with clear objectives who had rolled the dice and lost (_Molotov Speaks_ ed. Chuev and Resis).
Mi-Hwa
January 18, 2006
4:54 pm
I read Bradley Martin's book about North Korea. In the book, high-level defectors have described Kim Jong Il as extremely cunning and an artistic genius. For example, he personally directed the Arirang Mass Games, which western audiences have described as an amazing display of totalitarian control.

When Secretary of State Madeline Albright met with Kim Jong Il, she thought he was "an intelligent man who knew what he wanted." Kim Jong Il has met several world leaders: Jiang Zemin, Kim Dae Jung, Koizumi, Putin, and Hu Jintao. After the meetings, all of them described KJI in positive terms. Plus, he has been in power longer than all of them, and will probably outlast them all.

President Bush would hate to be compared to the Axis of Evil leaders. He would love to see them end up like Saddam Hussein.
Alfred Russel Wallace
January 18, 2006
7:06 pm
We agree on the "dumb"; obviously all three have shown great political expertise and intelligence in their different realms. But like Gabriel, I don't think the issue of evil is so simple. Whether there is a universal definition of evil, and whether some of the gentlemen exhibit it, is worth discussion over a beer or three... Certainly I am glad that there are a series of checks and balances on the political aspirations of one of the three, and would be much happier if the other two were subjected to such discipline.
lirelou
January 19, 2006
12:50 am
Gabriel, Thomas Jefferson was responsible for how many deaths? His extermination camps, gulags, and the like were located where? But, your point is taken. Why limit ourselves to Hitler when we have Joe Stalin and Mao Zhe-dong on the world stage, and Pol Pot in the regional league, which, coincidentally, is where Kim Jong-il belongs. He is highly intelligent, or he would not still be in charge, and a case can be made that he is as much a prisoner of the system his father created as any North Korean. I believe that medievalists would consider him just another member of a "dance macabre".
Curzon
January 19, 2006
1:01 am
Gabriel -- true. I began with an "evil" theme and switched to "insane," but forgot to change the title. Evil is indeed an issue rooted in point of view.
snow
January 19, 2006
3:19 am
A moron doesn't become a leader of a country, especially one as powerful as the US, and I think the same basically holds true in almost all cases in all countries (in some countries its been the most cunning, nastiest one who takes power by grabbing it). It's always so easy for people to dismiss politicians as being half-wit criminals, but you have to have some talent to get to such a position. I'm not saying that KJI or the Iranian leader aren't scumbags-they are-but they aren't stupid.

The same with famous movie and music stars. They may not be too bright when it comes to something other than what they do (and many of them do seem like morons when they talk politics cause few of them know anything about it), but I think that Madonna, say, or Britney, are smart in knowing how to market themselves. If such people are so stupid, then how come they are either rich or in a high position that many others would like to be in? Luck may play a part, but it's rarely the only part. One also has to be persistent, hardworking, opportunistic, driven, etc. to become famous.
asiapundit
January 19, 2006
5:40 am
not dumb; maybe crazy and evil

Curzon at Coming Anarchy produces an item by Stratfor arguing that leaders of large countries generally cannot get there by being insane or morons.: One of the ways to avoid thinking seriously about foreign policy is to dismiss anyone
Richardson
January 19, 2006
12:54 pm
Kim isn’t crazy, but perhaps a sociopath.
Adso
January 19, 2006
2:07 pm
Emperor Claudius is of course the classic example of such a leader. Since literature made it's way onto this blog a few posts ago (Catch-22), I might also recommend "I Claudius" by Robert Graves for the Coming Anarchy reading list.
kushibo
January 19, 2006
3:33 pm
He is highly intelligent, or he would not still be in charge, and a case can be made that he is as much a prisoner of the system his father created as any North Korean.

I think both Bush and Kim Jong-il benefited from their respective political families such that it was easier for them to "achieve" what they did without as much intelligence, effort, whatever as those without those same means.

Would either of these men be in power now if their father's weren't former heads of state? Kim would at best be a local bureaucrat--maybe in China--while Bush would never have been considered seriously as a potential candidate were it not for his father's name. In his case (and in Kim's as well) the intelligent and capable support needed to obtain and keep the job came because of that.
Gabriel Mihalache
January 19, 2006
5:46 pm
lirelou, I was mentioning Jefferson as the best politicians ever! That's why I was coy about daring to bring him up. Anyone looks favorable compared with Hitler or FDR (ha!) but if some politician wants to claim he's the best thing since sliced bread then he should compare himself to Jefferson.
Younghusband
January 19, 2006
7:09 pm
bq. A moron doesn't become a leader of a country...

This statement might be a bit too broad. Permit me to play the Devil's Advocate, but there are numerous regimes from European, Japanese, Russian and Arabic history of so-called leaders who are prisoners of their own regime.

I can imagine KJI being in this type of situation, where the country is ruled by the 12 generals around him and he is just a figurehead. When the Norks returned the Japanese kidnap victims, maybe KJI was trying to make an apologetic gesture and seperate himself from the old regime. When the bones were found out to be fakes etc. maybe Kim really _didn't_ know what happened to the others because all that stuff had happened before him in the 70's under Kim Il Sung.

I disagree with Kushibo that KJI would have only been a "local bureaucrat", I don't think he would've gone into politics at all given the choice.
kushibo
January 19, 2006
10:34 pm
I can imagine KJI being in this type of situation, where the country is ruled by the 12 generals around him and he is just a figurehead.

I have long wondered that myself. Sort of like what one might think of Hirohito at the hands of the military junta during World War II (though this is an imperfect analogy).

When the Norks returned the Japanese kidnap victims, maybe KJI was trying to make an apologetic gesture and seperate himself from the old regime.

This is exactly one of those times when I felt that he might be a figurehead surrounded by yes-men and that he was trying to find a way to do right.

I'm not so sure of that anymore, but that might be because of the tone of discussion about KJI at the Marmot's Hole.

When the bones were found out to be fakes etc. maybe Kim really didn't know what happened to the others because all that stuff had happened before him in the 70's under Kim Il Sung.

Not to mention that he did let the old American guy and his Japanese family go.

Wait a minute, though. I did read somewhere that the lab may have screwed up the DNA test and the bones may have been legitimate. I didn't read any follow-up, though.

I disagree with Kushibo that KJI would have only been a "local bureaucrat"Â?, I don't think he would've gone into politics at all given the choice.

You snipped my all-important qualifier: I said he "would at best be a local bureaucrat." I was granting that his not stupid but non-stellar intelligence might have brought hm somewhere in government, though not very far if he's on his own. But it was also a suggestion that he might not have gone into politics. George Bush, without being born into the family of a successful Texas politician would be like Hank's friend Boomhauer on "King of the Hill." I can see him rising no higher than a successful car salesman who owns his own lot.
Curzon
January 19, 2006
11:50 pm
"I, Claudius" is truly phenomenal. I've only seen the 13 episode TV series and not read the book, but it was truly amazing.
DBm
January 20, 2006
2:02 am
"I think both Bush and Kim Jong-il benefited from their respective political families such that it was easier for them to "achieve"Â? what they did without as much intelligence, effort, whatever as those without those same means.

Would either of these men be in power now if their father's weren't former heads of state? Kim would at best be a local bureaucrat"”?maybe in China"”?while Bush would never have been considered seriously as a potential candidate were it not for his father's name. In his case (and in Kim's as well) the intelligent and capable support needed to obtain and keep the job came because of that."
Never thought of it this way, but I agree wholeheartedly.
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