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		<title>By: Plum Blossoms</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2006/01/11/friendly-advice-from-the-north-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-60136</link>
		<dc:creator>Plum Blossoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;America Bashing, Alive and Well&lt;/strong&gt;

At Coming Anarchy, Younghusband dispels the idea that Canada is on the slide to becoming another bastion of anti-American sentiments. It's hard to say whether US relations will be a key factor in voter choice on January 23, but the...</description>
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<p>At Coming Anarchy, Younghusband dispels the idea that Canada is on the slide to becoming another bastion of anti-American sentiments. It&#8217;s hard to say whether US relations will be a key factor in voter choice on January 23, but the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ursa arcturus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursa arcturus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Frum is a very poor representative of Canadian thought anywhere outside Toronto (It's a World-Class City!  Just ask them, they'll tell you it is!)  Outside the Center of the Universe we recognize our corrupt and inept federal government for what it is.  We recognise also what a load of ineffective and expensive  tripe the 'solutions' to such problems as gun-related crimehave been.  Example: the National Gun Registry.  The cost for this fiasco is approximately $1000 per citizen and rising, above and beyond the fees charged to legitimate firearms owners.  Number of criminals registering their firearms: 0.  Number of Canadians turned into 'criminals' because their firearms registration was not processed by the deadline (even though submitted prior to the deadline): over 7,000!  Crimes prevented? Also ero.

Now our benighted PM wants to ban all handguns in the nation.  Support from outside Toronto the (formerly) Good? Near-zero. Handguns have been heavily restricted and regulated in Canada since 1930 (so the Registry fiasco only concerns 'long guns') and 'legal' hand guns are involved in less than 1% of all the violent crime in this country.

Similarly, vetting of third-world immigrants has nearly evaporated in the last 12 years, while it takes a European, American or Antipodal  wannabe Canuck ages and much expense to come here no matter what skills and/or fortune they'll be bringing with them.  

Cry the beloved country...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Frum is a very poor representative of Canadian thought anywhere outside Toronto (It&#8217;s a World-Class City!  Just ask them, they&#8217;ll tell you it is!)  Outside the Center of the Universe we recognize our corrupt and inept federal government for what it is.  We recognise also what a load of ineffective and expensive  tripe the &#8216;solutions&#8217; to such problems as gun-related crimehave been.  Example: the National Gun Registry.  The cost for this fiasco is approximately $1000 per citizen and rising, above and beyond the fees charged to legitimate firearms owners.  Number of criminals registering their firearms: 0.  Number of Canadians turned into &#8216;criminals&#8217; because their firearms registration was not processed by the deadline (even though submitted prior to the deadline): over 7,000!  Crimes prevented? Also ero.</p>
<p>Now our benighted PM wants to ban all handguns in the nation.  Support from outside Toronto the (formerly) Good? Near-zero. Handguns have been heavily restricted and regulated in Canada since 1930 (so the Registry fiasco only concerns &#8216;long guns&#8217;) and &#8216;legal&#8217; hand guns are involved in less than 1% of all the violent crime in this country.</p>
<p>Similarly, vetting of third-world immigrants has nearly evaporated in the last 12 years, while it takes a European, American or Antipodal  wannabe Canuck ages and much expense to come here no matter what skills and/or fortune they&#8217;ll be bringing with them.</p>
<p>Cry the beloved country&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_Rant over_

With pleasure.  Yesterday I had a political forum at my highschool involving regional candidates for the federal election (I think).  It was devastatingly stupid.  The Canadian Healthcare Act, or whatever it was that consolidated our healthcare system into an inefficient public monopoly, was accorded the status of holy writ, with candidates attempting to outdo each other on the issue of maintaining the system against any alternative at all costs (better dead that not-red!).  Many a bilge was spewed forth about meaningless concepts like "social justice" and the New Democrat pontificated at length about the need for a populist government with national control, of, among other things, the oil industry (lesson of OPEC: oil and government should never, EVER mix) and the liberal sidestepped the probing questions about her party with red herrings about how she "earned" her position.  The "need" for foreign aid was never question, though the conservative at least had the sense to raise scepticism over the issue of debt relief, and many an annoying reference was made to Sweden and Finland (nonwithstanding that the median income in Sweden is lower than for blacks in the USA, Sweden doesn't have large minorities that have been marginalised for a long time, and a continuous influx of immigrants from much poorer countries, and that Finland owes its prosperity to its oil reserves, not its government.  As a counterexample to all these, there is always Chile).  The Liberal, the New Democrat, and the Green paid tribute to the Almighty State by expounding upon the "need" for social programmes, and the remainder of it was a mud-fest, with parties accusing each other of "secret agendas" and "corruption".  As H.L. Mencken once said: _"In a democracy, each party devotes its chief energies to proving that the others consist of scoundrels, and all commonly succeed, and are right..."_.  The only good thing that came of it was the fact that I got to miss a full hour and a half of classes.

If I were old enough to vote, I'd boycott the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rant over</em></p>
<p>With pleasure.  Yesterday I had a political forum at my highschool involving regional candidates for the federal election (I think).  It was devastatingly stupid.  The Canadian Healthcare Act, or whatever it was that consolidated our healthcare system into an inefficient public monopoly, was accorded the status of holy writ, with candidates attempting to outdo each other on the issue of maintaining the system against any alternative at all costs (better dead that not-red!).  Many a bilge was spewed forth about meaningless concepts like &#8220;social justice&#8221; and the New Democrat pontificated at length about the need for a populist government with national control, of, among other things, the oil industry (lesson of <span class="caps">OPEC</span>: oil and government should never, <span class="caps">EVER</span> mix) and the liberal sidestepped the probing questions about her party with red herrings about how she &#8220;earned&#8221; her position.  The &#8220;need&#8221; for foreign aid was never question, though the conservative at least had the sense to raise scepticism over the issue of debt relief, and many an annoying reference was made to Sweden and Finland (nonwithstanding that the median income in Sweden is lower than for blacks in the <span class="caps">USA</span>, Sweden doesn&#8217;t have large minorities that have been marginalised for a long time, and a continuous influx of immigrants from much poorer countries, and that Finland owes its prosperity to its oil reserves, not its government.  As a counterexample to all these, there is always Chile).  The Liberal, the New Democrat, and the Green paid tribute to the Almighty State by expounding upon the &#8220;need&#8221; for social programmes, and the remainder of it was a mud-fest, with parties accusing each other of &#8220;secret agendas&#8221; and &#8220;corruption&#8221;.  As H.L. Mencken once said: <em>&#8220;In a democracy, each party devotes its chief energies to proving that the others consist of scoundrels, and all commonly succeed, and are right&#8230;&#8221;</em>.  The only good thing that came of it was the fact that I got to miss a full hour and a half of classes.</p>
<p>If I were old enough to vote, I&#8217;d boycott the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Evd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, this election has moved past America bashing. I think the last time it was a topic of conversation was around the climate conference in Montreal. 

We're now mostly talking about corruption, gun control, and healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, this election has moved past America bashing. I think the last time it was a topic of conversation was around the climate conference in Montreal.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re now mostly talking about corruption, gun control, and healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo,

Yes.

_Yes!_

Yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo,</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><em>Yes!</em></p>
<p>Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: adamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, if you think that telling people to stop criticizing you goes against American values, you should take a look at Something Awful's Weekend Web feature. 

All the posters (mostly Americans) on forums supporting any number of odd activities, from anorexia to marijuana worship to pedophilia, consistently construct convoluted justifications for their lifestyles. Whenever someone comes on and makes fun of them/criticizes in any way, the people's defenses almost always center around the idea: "everyone is entitled to their opinion, so why don't you just shut the hell up and let us be weird?"

Check it out:

http://www.somethingawful.com/weekendweb/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, if you think that telling people to stop criticizing you goes against American values, you should take a look at Something Awful&#8217;s Weekend Web feature.</p>
<p>All the posters (mostly Americans) on forums supporting any number of odd activities, from anorexia to marijuana worship to pedophilia, consistently construct convoluted justifications for their lifestyles. Whenever someone comes on and makes fun of them/criticizes in any way, the people&#8217;s defenses almost always center around the idea: &#8220;everyone is entitled to their opinion, so why don&#8217;t you just shut the hell up and let us be weird?&#8221;</p>
<p>Check it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.somethingawful.com/weekendweb/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.somethingawful.com');">http://www.somethingawful.com/weekendweb/</a></p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the good old anti-American ticket. A ready-made answer for politicians trying to make their own populations forget their own failures or lack of solutions (in the case of those not in power). I guess it just makes sense to use it, as anti-Americanism often seems to be little more than an all-purpose scapegoat for many average people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the good old anti-American ticket. A ready-made answer for politicians trying to make their own populations forget their own failures or lack of solutions (in the case of those not in power). I guess it just makes sense to use it, as anti-Americanism often seems to be little more than an all-purpose scapegoat for many average people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Of course he can defend his government's position on any of those issues, that is his job, but telling others not to discuss it goes against everything I think America stands for.&lt;/b&gt;

You're thinking of pre-9/11 America. Right now, you're either for us or against us. 

&lt;b&gt;I think these are all fair criticisms, and the only reason you don't see Canadian policies as US election issues, is that the US has more important stuff to think about.&lt;/b&gt;

Just wait, because the following issues could easily become central to political issues in the U.S.: legalization of pot in Canada, getting prescription drugs from Canada, and using Canadian health care as a model in the lower 48. 

&lt;b&gt;Don't get me wrong, blatant America-bashing is uncalled for and wrong, I just don't think that any of the stuff brought up by our candidates was bashing for bashing's sake.&lt;/b&gt;

Blatant? Don't you mean "mindless"? I don't mind it being blatant as long as it's appropriate. It's the mindless stuff I don't care for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Of course he can defend his government&#8217;s position on any of those issues, that is his job, but telling others not to discuss it goes against everything I think America stands for.</b></p>
<p>You&#8217;re thinking of pre-9/11 America. Right now, you&#8217;re either for us or against us.</p>
<p><b>I think these are all fair criticisms, and the only reason you don&#8217;t see Canadian policies as US election issues, is that the US has more important stuff to think about.</b></p>
<p>Just wait, because the following issues could easily become central to political issues in the U.S.: legalization of pot in Canada, getting prescription drugs from Canada, and using Canadian health care as a model in the lower 48.</p>
<p><b>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, blatant America-bashing is uncalled for and wrong, I just don&#8217;t think that any of the stuff brought up by our candidates was bashing for bashing&#8217;s sake.</b></p>
<p>Blatant? Don&#8217;t you mean &#8220;mindless&#8221;? I don&#8217;t mind it being blatant as long as it&#8217;s appropriate. It&#8217;s the mindless stuff I don&#8217;t care for.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Wiggum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Wiggum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from a David Frum article dated 1-3-06 in the National Post.  

_After a spasm of heart-rending, frightening violence, Toronto's Mayor, David Miller, and its news media want Torontonians to remember one thing: The city is very, very safe. Really...If there is any problem in Toronto, the Mayor insists, it is traceable to the United States: "The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," David Miller complained on Dec. 27...Canada's overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States. Read that again slowly -- it seems incredible, but it's true. It's true too that you are now more likely to be mugged in Toronto than in New York City... Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80% of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada's 10 biggest cities..._

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=fb715fde-9cee-42e2-ae75-81061c3cee14

Frum, of course, has no credibility due to his contamination in the service of George Bush.  Martin and the Liberal Party seem to be slipping in the polls a bit, so there should be an increased Great Satan-baiting  until election day.  America-bashing worked quite well for Gerhard Schroeder in 2002.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from a David Frum article dated 1-3-06 in the National Post.</p>
<p><em>After a spasm of heart-rending, frightening violence, Toronto&#8217;s Mayor, David Miller, and its news media want Torontonians to remember one thing: The city is very, very safe. Really&#8230;If there is any problem in Toronto, the Mayor insists, it is traceable to the United States: &#8220;The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto,&#8221; David Miller complained on Dec. 27&#8230;Canada&#8217;s overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States. Read that again slowly&#8212;it seems incredible, but it&#8217;s true. It&#8217;s true too that you are now more likely to be mugged in Toronto than in New York City&#8230; Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80% of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada&#8217;s 10 biggest cities&#8230;</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=fb715fde-9cee-42e2-ae75-81061c3cee14" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.canada.com');">http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=fb715fde-9cee-42e2-ae75-81061c3cee14</a></p>
<p>Frum, of course, has no credibility due to his contamination in the service of George Bush.  Martin and the Liberal Party seem to be slipping in the polls a bit, so there should be an increased Great Satan-baiting  until election day.  America-bashing worked quite well for Gerhard Schroeder in 2002.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the US ambassador that bad?  I couldn't find a transcript, but it appears he was, as the aticle says, he was "&lt;strong&gt;suggesting &lt;/strong&gt;maturity in cross-border relations remains in short supply" and that "Wilkins, a long-time Bush supporter and confidant, did not name Martin directly but left absolutely no doubt the U.S. administration was sending a message directly to the prime minister."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the US ambassador that bad?  I couldn&#8217;t find a transcript, but it appears he was, as the aticle says, he was &#8220;<strong>suggesting </strong>maturity in cross-border relations remains in short supply&#8221; and that &#8220;Wilkins, a long-time Bush supporter and confidant, did not name Martin directly but left absolutely no doubt the U.S. administration was sending a message directly to the prime minister.&#8221; </p>
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