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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-56195</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word today - I just read this - is that Evans has turned Putin down. An editorial in yesterday&#039;s WSJ saying that acceptance would be shameful might have helped him make up his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word today &#8211; I just read this &#8211; is that Evans has turned Putin down. An editorial in yesterday&#8217;s <span class="caps">WSJ </span>saying that acceptance would be shameful might have helped him make up his mind.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-56194</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment on Schroder and his new Master. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that Russia was now putting the sqeeze on the Ukraine again through - you guessed it - Gazprom. The original deal gave the Ukraine cheap gas in exchange for giving Russia access to pipes it need to transport most of its gas exports. Now Russia has decided to vastly increase prices to not only the Ukraine but the Baltic states as well.

In further Putinocracy news... There are reports that Putin has offered former Commerce Secretary (and Bush friend) Don Evans a similar position at Rosneft. As of yesterday he was still thinking about it. Let&#039;s hope he doesn&#039;t accept. As for Schroder, world chessmaster &lt;strong&gt;Garry Kasparov&lt;/strong&gt; had this to say in yesterday&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113494599662325865.html?mod=todays_us_opinion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One small step for Vladimir Putin, one giant leap for corruption in the West. Just days after being pushed out of office as chancellor of Germany, Gerhard SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der made sure he wouldn&#039;t add to the high rate of unemployment he left behind. Last week he accepted a top post with Russian energy giant Gazprom, the company in charge of a controversial gas pipeline project that he actively supported as chancellor.

The dubious ethicality of this move and the speed with which it was made lead to many obvious questions about whether or not Mr. SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der abused his office to set up this deal, especially as he was trailing badly in the polls for most of the campaign against Angela Merkel. But the groundwork for his new job was laid out in advance as part of a well-organized operation that brought in capital before personnel.

Mathias Warnig, as head of Russian operations for Dresdner Bank, first brought in a deal to purchase 33% of Gazprombank in August. (Dresdner also helped the Kremlin pick the bones of the Yukos oil company headed by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, now in a Siberian jail.) Accordingly, Mr. Warnig was given a top position at the North European Gas Pipeline Company. Finally everything was ready for the arrival of Mr. SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der. The deal keeps everything in the family as Mr. Warnig was a spy for the East German secret police, the Stasi, at the same time Mr. Putin was running agents for the KGB in Dresden. As Mr. Putin himself has said, there is no such thing as a former KGB agent.

In reality this is the lesser story -- &lt;strong&gt;that Germany&#039;s most powerful politicians and businessmen can be purchased the way a Russian oligarch might buy an aristocratic Bavarian estate to gain entry to high society&lt;/strong&gt;. The larger picture is of how Mr. Putin has made the nation&#039;s energy resources the center of his ruling clique that has erased the lines between public and private power and assets. Does the state run Gazprom or does Gazprom run the state? Mr. Putin has made a priority of further tightening the unholy bond between his regime&#039;s internal and external goals and the company that provides most of the natural gas to Central and Eastern Europe. They are not state-run companies; they are the state...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in German public opinion over the long-term, whether or not they will eventually shrug this off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment on Schroder and his new Master. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that Russia was now putting the sqeeze on the Ukraine again through &#8211; you guessed it &#8211; Gazprom. The original deal gave the Ukraine cheap gas in exchange for giving Russia access to pipes it need to transport most of its gas exports. Now Russia has decided to vastly increase prices to not only the Ukraine but the Baltic states as well.</p>

<p>In further Putinocracy news&#8230; There are reports that Putin has offered former Commerce Secretary (and Bush friend) Don Evans a similar position at Rosneft. As of yesterday he was still thinking about it. Let&#8217;s hope he doesn&#8217;t accept. As for Schroder, world chessmaster <strong>Garry Kasparov</strong> had this to say in yesterday&#8217;s <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113494599662325865.html?mod=todays_us_opinion">Wall Street Journal</a>:</p>

<blockquote>One small step for Vladimir Putin, one giant leap for corruption in the West. Just days after being pushed out of office as chancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der made sure he wouldn&#8217;t add to the high rate of unemployment he left behind. Last week he accepted a top post with Russian energy giant Gazprom, the company in charge of a controversial gas pipeline project that he actively supported as chancellor.

<p>The dubious ethicality of this move and the speed with which it was made lead to many obvious questions about whether or not Mr. Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der abused his office to set up this deal, especially as he was trailing badly in the polls for most of the campaign against Angela Merkel. But the groundwork for his new job was laid out in advance as part of a well-organized operation that brought in capital before personnel.</p>

<p>Mathias Warnig, as head of Russian operations for Dresdner Bank, first brought in a deal to purchase 33% of Gazprombank in August. (Dresdner also helped the Kremlin pick the bones of the Yukos oil company headed by Mikhail Khodorkovsky, now in a Siberian jail.) Accordingly, Mr. Warnig was given a top position at the North European Gas Pipeline Company. Finally everything was ready for the arrival of Mr. Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der. The deal keeps everything in the family as Mr. Warnig was a spy for the East German secret police, the Stasi, at the same time Mr. Putin was running agents for the <span class="caps">KGB </span>in Dresden. As Mr. Putin himself has said, there is no such thing as a former <span class="caps">KGB </span>agent.</p>

In reality this is the lesser story &#8212; <strong>that Germany&#8217;s most powerful politicians and businessmen can be purchased the way a Russian oligarch might buy an aristocratic Bavarian estate to gain entry to high society</strong>. The larger picture is of how Mr. Putin has made the nation&#8217;s energy resources the center of his ruling clique that has erased the lines between public and private power and assets. Does the state run Gazprom or does Gazprom run the state? Mr. Putin has made a priority of further tightening the unholy bond between his regime&#8217;s internal and external goals and the company that provides most of the natural gas to Central and Eastern Europe. They are not state-run companies; they are the state&#8230;</blockquote>

<p>It will be interesting to see how this plays out in German public opinion over the long-term, whether or not they will eventually shrug this off.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-55000</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk: Absolutely right. One of Russia and the CIS&#039; favorite hobbies is cutting energy supplies to neighboring countries. The same thing happens all the time in Central Asia. This pipeline has strained relations between the Baltic states, Poland, and the Ukraine with German and we&#039;ll see where this drives them. This will no doubt be another push towards greater opposition by new EU members to a Franco-German dominated EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: Absolutely right. One of Russia and the <span class="caps">CIS&#8217; </span>favorite hobbies is cutting energy supplies to neighboring countries. The same thing happens all the time in Central Asia. This pipeline has strained relations between the Baltic states, Poland, and the Ukraine with German and we&#8217;ll see where this drives them. This will no doubt be another push towards greater opposition by new EU members to a Franco-German dominated <span class="caps">EU.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54998</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/568&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brussels Journal&lt;/a&gt; has a more small-state European look at this issue, focusing on how this pipeline project will allow Russia to continue to supply Germany even if it cuts off supply to Eastern Europe, if Moscow wants to squeeze them for political reasons as it often tries to do with Georgia, the Ukraine, etc. This really is a betrayal of Central and East European countries.  

On the positive side, if the German Social Democrats have any sense of principle at all, they will make Schroder &lt;em&gt;persona non grata&lt;/em&gt; after this, and Europe will at least be rid of him politically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/568">Brussels Journal</a> has a more small-state European look at this issue, focusing on how this pipeline project will allow Russia to continue to supply Germany even if it cuts off supply to Eastern Europe, if Moscow wants to squeeze them for political reasons as it often tries to do with Georgia, the Ukraine, etc. This really is a betrayal of Central and East European countries.  </p>

<p>On the positive side, if the German Social Democrats have any sense of principle at all, they will make Schroder <em>persona non grata</em> after this, and Europe will at least be rid of him politically.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hamm</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54917</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should just throw on the heap that Germany is giving a wink and a nod to Uzbekistan&#039;s fantasies about the rest of the west trying to install a caliphate in Karimov&#039;s stead with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.registan.net/?p=6116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the out-of-step with the US and EU base deal&lt;/a&gt;. And between &lt;a href=&quot;http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/?p=54&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Turkmenbashi&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.registan.net/?p=6072&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Almatov&lt;/a&gt;, Germany&#039;s becoming the country of choice for healthcare for Central Asian scumbags. Maybe it should consider quitting NATO and the EU and joining the SCO, CSTO, and CIS instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should just throw on the heap that Germany is giving a wink and a nod to Uzbekistan&#8217;s fantasies about the rest of the west trying to install a caliphate in Karimov&#8217;s stead with <a href="http://www.registan.net/?p=6116">the out-of-step with the US and EU base deal</a>. And between <a href="http://turkmenistan.neweurasia.net/?p=54">Turkmenbashi</a> and <a href="http://www.registan.net/?p=6072">Almatov</a>, Germany&#8217;s becoming the country of choice for healthcare for Central Asian scumbags. Maybe it should consider quitting <span class="caps">NATO </span>and the EU and joining the <span class="caps">SCO, CSTO, </span>and <span class="caps">CIS </span>instead.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Current World Affairs - CWA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der gets a pipeline job (and criticism)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Current World Affairs - CWA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der gets a pipeline job (and criticism)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More about SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der and dirt at least at the Coming Anarchy and at the Scraps of Moscow. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More about Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der and dirt at least at the Coming Anarchy and at the Scraps of Moscow. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54828</link>
		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herr SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der had a better feeling for politics when he still was in power, I can only hope our politicians are going to talk turkey with a code of conduct to separate the wheat from the chaff - the scandal over the CIA flights is not even completely unravelled yet, I wonder what&#039;s coming next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der had a better feeling for politics when he still was in power, I can only hope our politicians are going to talk turkey with a code of conduct to separate the wheat from the chaff &#8211; the scandal over the <span class="caps">CIA </span>flights is not even completely unravelled yet, I wonder what&#8217;s coming next.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill Petti</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54823</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Petti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der&#039;s stance on the Iraq war may have been about economic interests (personal and national) to some degree, but it was first and foremost about salvaging a stagnant political campaign--domestic signaling won out over international signaling, and he spent the last 2-3 years trying to mend fences as a result...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der&#8217;s stance on the Iraq war may have been about economic interests (personal and national) to some degree, but it was first and foremost about salvaging a stagnant political campaign&#8211;domestic signaling won out over international signaling, and he spent the last 2-3 years trying to mend fences as a result&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54816</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the German government could somehow relay the message that there are sudden delays in the Gazprom project which may send it back to the planning shelf for quite a while, if it wanted to.

And though I don&#039;t know the in and outs of the legal process there, suits here in the US slow big projects all the time for lesser issues than this.

It&#039;s a question of who has the bigger nads in naked politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the German government could somehow relay the message that there are sudden delays in the Gazprom project which may send it back to the planning shelf for quite a while, if it wanted to.</p>

<p>And though I don&#8217;t know the in and outs of the legal process there, suits here in the US slow big projects all the time for lesser issues than this.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s a question of who has the bigger nads in naked politics.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54815</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er...  a certain Austrian born chancellor was rather annoying, but at least his early pro-Russia policies were a mirage...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er&#8230;  a certain Austrian born chancellor was rather annoying, but at least his early pro-Russia policies were a mirage&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54773</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herr Shroder&#039;s relationship with Vlad the Opposition Impaler goes back some time, as I&#039;m sure you are aware.  I remember a year or so ago he was asked if he thought that Vlad was a &quot;crystal clear democrat,&quot; and he answered in the affirmative.  One thing which would be interesting would be to timeline the initial news of this deal with Shroder&#039;s backing down from his insistence that he had won the election and should remain chancellor. The scraps of Moscow link indicates that it was not long after the elections when initial word of this came out. I wonder if Schroder changed his tune because the German media was making fun of him (according to what I read in the English version of Der Spiegel), or because he got a better offer?

In re to Iran, the reality is that Germany has had ZERO influence with Iran for some time.  This was perfectly exemplified several years ago when a German court found that Iran had sponsored a killing of regime opponents in Germany, recalled its ambassador from Iran, saw Iran give nothing, and instead demand a German apology for the insult. There has never been any indication that I can see that Germany foreign policy has curbed any significant Iranian policy vis-a-vis terrorism or nuclear weapons. A change in German foreign policy would be significant mainly for those in the United States who believe that the U.S. must act against threats only in a &quot;multilateral&quot; way, with &quot;multilateral&quot; being defined as including Germany and/or France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr Shroder&#8217;s relationship with Vlad the Opposition Impaler goes back some time, as I&#8217;m sure you are aware.  I remember a year or so ago he was asked if he thought that Vlad was a &#8220;crystal clear democrat,&#8221; and he answered in the affirmative.  One thing which would be interesting would be to timeline the initial news of this deal with Shroder&#8217;s backing down from his insistence that he had won the election and should remain chancellor. The scraps of Moscow link indicates that it was not long after the elections when initial word of this came out. I wonder if Schroder changed his tune because the German media was making fun of him (according to what I read in the English version of Der Spiegel), or because he got a better offer?</p>

<p>In re to Iran, the reality is that Germany has had <span class="caps">ZERO </span>influence with Iran for some time.  This was perfectly exemplified several years ago when a German court found that Iran had sponsored a killing of regime opponents in Germany, recalled its ambassador from Iran, saw Iran give nothing, and instead demand a German apology for the insult. There has never been any indication that I can see that Germany foreign policy has curbed any significant Iranian policy vis-a-vis terrorism or nuclear weapons. A change in German foreign policy would be significant mainly for those in the United States who believe that the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>must act against threats only in a &#8220;multilateral&#8221; way, with &#8220;multilateral&#8221; being defined as including Germany and/or France.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mitch H.</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/14/german-foreign-policy-turning/comment-page-1/#comment-54766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Jewish state in Alaska, eh?  I&#039;m surprised he didn&#039;t just propose their exile to Siberia while he was at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Jewish state in Alaska, eh?  I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t just propose their exile to Siberia while he was at it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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