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	<title>Comments on: Geopolitical Temptation in&#160;Europe</title>
	<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/</link>
	<description>Speak Victorian, Think Pagan</description>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Russia, the EU and Lebensraum</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-78965</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Russia, the EU and Lebensraum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-78965</guid>
		<description>[...] The Nazi expansionist policy of finding new Lebensraum is of course nothing new, with many other countries having comparable policies (Manifest Destiny). Hitler, like other Germans, realized that Germany was boxed in with very limited room and natural resources which made it highly vulnerable. Looking westward, he saw France and England with their colonies across the globe which fed their growth and maintained their grip on power. Expansion was not only logical but crucial to elevate Germany to the same level of its European rivals who&#8217;d kept it down for so long. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Nazi expansionist policy of finding new Lebensraum is of course nothing new, with many other countries having comparable policies (Manifest Destiny). Hitler, like other Germans, realized that Germany was boxed in with very limited room and natural resources which made it highly vulnerable. Looking westward, he saw France and England with their colonies across the globe which fed their growth and maintained their grip on power. Expansion was not only logical but crucial to elevate Germany to the same level of its European rivals who&#8217;d kept it down for so long. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poland&#8217;s Historical Hokey Pokey</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54526</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poland&#8217;s Historical Hokey Pokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54526</guid>
		<description>[...] While scouring Google Images for maps of Europe for my post on Europen borders, I was inspired to follow up on Curzon&#8217;s excellent series of countries&#8217; changing borders over time with a visual history of Poland&#8217;s borders. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While scouring Google Images for maps of Europe for my post on Europen borders, I was inspired to follow up on Curzon&#8217;s excellent series of countries&#8217; changing borders over time with a visual history of Poland&#8217;s borders. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54225</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54225</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Maps of Potential Soviet Military Theatres During the Late Cold War&lt;/strong&gt;

"The Middle East and Soviet Military Strategy," by Michael MccGwire, Middle East Report, No. 151, Mar.-Apr. 1988, pp 11-17, http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0899-2851%28198803%2F04%290%3A151%3C11%3ATMEASM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D.

While working on my litera...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Maps of Potential Soviet Military Theatres During the Late Cold War</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The Middle East and Soviet Military Strategy,&#8221; by Michael MccGwire, Middle East Report, No. 151, Mar.-Apr. 1988, pp 11-17, <a href="http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0899-2851%28198803%2F04%290%3A151%3C11%3ATMEASM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D." rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/links.jstor.org');">http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0899-2851%28198803%2F04%290%3A151%3C11%3ATMEASM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D.</a></p>
<p>While working on my litera&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: don Ciccio</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54218</link>
		<dc:creator>don Ciccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 22:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54218</guid>
		<description>"si vis pacem...": very wise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;si vis pacem&#8230;&#8221;: very wise</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Chang</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54149</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54149</guid>
		<description>I covered the Chinese side of this earlier this year (without the hugely fascinating detour into European history):

"&lt;a href="http://brucechang.blogspot.com/2005/04/chinese-identity-politics.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Chinese Identity Politics&lt;/a&gt;":

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Even in the United States, growing numbers of ethnic Chinese will distinguish between Chinese nationals (zhongguoren or Ã¤Â¸Â­Ã¥Å“”¹Ã¤ÂºÂº), the Chinese language and culture (zhongwen or Ã¤Â¸Â­Ã¦”“”¡), and ethnic Chinese (huaren or Ã¨Â?Â¯Ã¤ÂºÂº), except in cases where the context is clear.

If you think on it, this shouldn't be such a big deal. After all, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, and US Americans speak "English", but you'd be hard pressed to find an Angeleno, a Vancouverite, an Aucklander, or a Canberran refer to himself as "English". (For that matter, most Scots will be quick to point out that they are, in fact, Scotch -- even Lowlanders whose ancestry includes plenty of English blood.)

Why then is there no such confusion in the Anglosphere?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I covered the Chinese side of this earlier this year (without the hugely fascinating detour into European history):</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://brucechang.blogspot.com/2005/04/chinese-identity-politics.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/brucechang.blogspot.com');">Chinese Identity Politics</a>&#8220;:</p>
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Even in the United States, growing numbers of ethnic Chinese will distinguish between Chinese nationals (zhongguoren or &#195;&#164;&#194;&#184;&#194;&#173;&#195;&#165;&#197;&#8220;&#8221;&#185;&#195;&#164;&#194;&#186;&#194;&#186;), the Chinese language and culture (zhongwen or &#195;&#164;&#194;&#184;&#194;&#173;&#195;&#166;&#8221;&#8220;&#8221;&#161;), and ethnic Chinese (huaren or &#195;&#168;&#194;?&#194;&#175;&#195;&#164;&#194;&#186;&#194;&#186;), except in cases where the context is clear.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you think on it, this shouldn&#8217;t be such a big deal. After all, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, and <span class="caps">US </span>Americans speak &#8220;English&#8221;, but you&#8217;d be hard pressed to find an Angeleno, a Vancouverite, an Aucklander, or a Canberran refer to himself as &#8220;English&#8221;. (For that matter, most Scots will be quick to point out that they are, in fact, Scotch&#8212;even Lowlanders whose ancestry includes plenty of English blood.)</p>
<p>Why then is there no such confusion in the Anglosphere?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk H. Sowell</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54148</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk H. Sowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54148</guid>
		<description>Three comments/questions:

1) Niall Ferguson argues that Britain should not have entered the war against Germany over the invasion of the Low Countries in 1914 because all Germany really wanted was economic domination of Europe, and they ended up getting that anyway. 

Do you agree or disagree?

2) Central European history is not my strong point, but the point about the Austrian Empire being founded in 1804 looks a bit suspect to me. The ruler of Austria at that point, I believe, was Francis II, ruler of the Holy Roman Empire, which seems to at that point basically been the Austrians running the show, and in that year he declared himself Frances I, Emporer of Austria. Was this just a cosmetic change, or was it substance? Or something else? How did the borders of the new "Austrian Empire" differ from the Holy Roman Empire circa 1803, as they were ruled by the same person?

3) An Arab World Angle (inevitabely): the Arab world is the place to look for the changing of artificial borders and the reassertion of historic cultural ties. The borders between Jordan, Iraq and Syria are all pretty meaningless. The Gulf countries are tribes with flags. I don't think its likely, not making any predictions here, but increased democracy would increase the chance of such changes and unifications (or splits in Iraq and/or Syria).

Contemporary relevance point: this ethnic orientation and balance of power system is what few see with regard to Iraq: Iraq was like Germany after unification; so much bigger than its Arab rivals, with much to gain to the south, that an advance southward was almost inevitable, especially given the winds of Arab nationalism. But the new democratic/Shia-led system changes this. There is a double check now: the Shia being predominant in Iraq puts an end to Iraq's regional ambitions, driving a stake into the monster that was Arab nationalism, and at the same time because they are Shia, they can't expand themselves. 

All Arab nationalism ever did was encourage Arab countries to wage senseless wars against Israel, stage coups in each others' countries, and act as a fig leaf for tyranny. RIP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three comments/questions:</p>
<p>1) Niall Ferguson argues that Britain should not have entered the war against Germany over the invasion of the Low Countries in 1914 because all Germany really wanted was economic domination of Europe, and they ended up getting that anyway.</p>
<p>Do you agree or disagree?</p>
<p>2) Central European history is not my strong point, but the point about the Austrian Empire being founded in 1804 looks a bit suspect to me. The ruler of Austria at that point, I believe, was Francis II, ruler of the Holy Roman Empire, which seems to at that point basically been the Austrians running the show, and in that year he declared himself Frances I, Emporer of Austria. Was this just a cosmetic change, or was it substance? Or something else? How did the borders of the new &#8220;Austrian Empire&#8221; differ from the Holy Roman Empire circa 1803, as they were ruled by the same person?</p>
<p>3) An Arab World Angle (inevitabely): the Arab world is the place to look for the changing of artificial borders and the reassertion of historic cultural ties. The borders between Jordan, Iraq and Syria are all pretty meaningless. The Gulf countries are tribes with flags. I don&#8217;t think its likely, not making any predictions here, but increased democracy would increase the chance of such changes and unifications (or splits in Iraq and/or Syria).</p>
<p>Contemporary relevance point: this ethnic orientation and balance of power system is what few see with regard to Iraq: Iraq was like Germany after unification; so much bigger than its Arab rivals, with much to gain to the south, that an advance southward was almost inevitable, especially given the winds of Arab nationalism. But the new democratic/Shia-led system changes this. There is a double check now: the Shia being predominant in Iraq puts an end to Iraq&#8217;s regional ambitions, driving a stake into the monster that was Arab nationalism, and at the same time because they are Shia, they can&#8217;t expand themselves.</p>
<p>All Arab nationalism ever did was encourage Arab countries to wage senseless wars against Israel, stage coups in each others&#8217; countries, and act as a fig leaf for tyranny. <span class="caps">RIP</span></p>
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		<title>By: mark safranski</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54133</link>
		<dc:creator>mark safranski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 05:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54133</guid>
		<description>Curzon wrote:

" On greater Germany:


Whether the Nazis rose or not, Germany would have retaken most of its lost territory.

I never thought about it that way, but I think you're right"”?and that should be plastered on every modern historians wall."

Most historians are aware of the degree to which Hitler incorporated traditional Prussian-German nationalist objectives, albeit in radicalized form, into the NSDAP worldview. Or borrowed from other " alternative" viewpoints like Haushofer and Mackinder's geopolitical theories, from whence Lebensraum comes. What historians have done rather poorly though is stress this element of continuity in Hitler's foreign policy to the general public. 

A quick look at the terms of The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk is helpful in that regard.

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918/brestlitovsk.html

It is easier to stress the differences in the Second and Third Reich's which are understandably quite dramatic. I think without Hitler, you would still have had a European war or two instigated by a nationalist post-Weimar Germany but not a Second World War and certainly not a Holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curzon wrote:</p>
<p>&#8221; On greater Germany:</p>
<p>Whether the Nazis rose or not, Germany would have retaken most of its lost territory.</p>
<p>I never thought about it that way, but I think you&#8217;re right&#8221;&#8221;?and that should be plastered on every modern historians wall.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most historians are aware of the degree to which Hitler incorporated traditional Prussian-German nationalist objectives, albeit in radicalized form, into the <span class="caps">NSDAP</span> worldview. Or borrowed from other &#8221; alternative&#8221; viewpoints like Haushofer and Mackinder&#8217;s geopolitical theories, from whence Lebensraum comes. What historians have done rather poorly though is stress this element of continuity in Hitler&#8217;s foreign policy to the general public.</p>
<p>A quick look at the terms of The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk is helpful in that regard.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918/brestlitovsk.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.lib.byu.edu');">http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918/brestlitovsk.html</a></p>
<p>It is easier to stress the differences in the Second and Third Reich&#8217;s which are understandably quite dramatic. I think without Hitler, you would still have had a European war or two instigated by a nationalist post-Weimar Germany but not a Second World War and certainly not a Holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Kende</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54066</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Kende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54066</guid>
		<description>bq. Guys, what about Mexico expanding northward? That's certainly the demoraphic trend. 

That's the current demographic trend, but I expect it to reverse. There is good reason to believe that there is a third stage in the wealth-birthrate graph. We all know what happens in very poor societies... the birthrate booms. As the deathrate is reduced by imported healthcare, nutrition advances, etc.. the population booms with it. We also know what happens with a society that is wealthy by current standards... the birthrate drops as each individual child has more invested in them. As sex becomes a recreational activity instead of a procreational one, and as leisure time increases, the trend so far has been for population rates to hover around or below the replacement level. But are those the only possibilities? I think there is evidence in some of the vanguard samples in America that there may be a third stage: So much surplus wealth (financial + time + diversity of choices) that large parts of the population can _choose_ to increase the societal birthrate to a level competitive with that of the 1st stage without sacrificing their own leisure time. We aren't there yet as a society, but I'm convinced that's where we are headed... and America is far away in the lead in that direction. 

I personally see a large American migration into Latin America, Europe, and other parts of the world as one of the big demographic trends of the 21st century. I don't think other populations can match that, as the current booming populations are looking at downturns in their birthrates as they go from abject poverty to a strong middle class. 

Now whether that kind of yuppie American population explosion is a good thing or not, that's a conversation for another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Guys, what about Mexico expanding northward? That&#8217;s certainly the demoraphic trend.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the current demographic trend, but I expect it to reverse. There is good reason to believe that there is a third stage in the wealth-birthrate graph. We all know what happens in very poor societies&#8230; the birthrate booms. As the deathrate is reduced by imported healthcare, nutrition advances, etc.. the population booms with it. We also know what happens with a society that is wealthy by current standards&#8230; the birthrate drops as each individual child has more invested in them. As sex becomes a recreational activity instead of a procreational one, and as leisure time increases, the trend so far has been for population rates to hover around or below the replacement level. But are those the only possibilities? I think there is evidence in some of the vanguard samples in America that there may be a third stage: So much surplus wealth (financial + time + diversity of choices) that large parts of the population can <em>choose</em> to increase the societal birthrate to a level competitive with that of the 1st stage without sacrificing their own leisure time. We aren&#8217;t there yet as a society, but I&#8217;m convinced that&#8217;s where we are headed&#8230; and America is far away in the lead in that direction.</p>
<p>I personally see a large American migration into Latin America, Europe, and other parts of the world as one of the big demographic trends of the 21st century. I don&#8217;t think other populations can match that, as the current booming populations are looking at downturns in their birthrates as they go from abject poverty to a strong middle class.</p>
<p>Now whether that kind of yuppie American population explosion is a good thing or not, that&#8217;s a conversation for another time.</p>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54059</link>
		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54059</guid>
		<description>i think Chirol was using the Holy Roman Empire boundary, or that of Bavaria when he included "Slovenia (Carniola)":http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/world/A0861135.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think Chirol was using the Holy Roman Empire boundary, or that of Bavaria when he included <a href="http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/world/A0861135.html" title="Carniola" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.factmonster.com');">Slovenia </a></p>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54055</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slovenians are slavic, but i think most of them are christian (vs orthodox). and German was widely spoken (as 2nd language), even while it was still inside yugoslavia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slovenians are slavic, but i think most of them are christian (vs orthodox). and German was widely spoken (as 2nd language), even while it was still inside yugoslavia.</p>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54054</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54054</guid>
		<description>great post.

minor points to add. in addition to geography, there are also ethnic factors (as dusty pointed out), and 'memory' factor ("we used to own this").

but it does not change your thesis signifantly, since, e.g., ethnic distribution is strongly correlated with geographic prximity and also 'memory'/historic factor.

your analysis of Germany between wars also reminds me of the kuril dispute between russia and japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post.</p>
<p>minor points to add. in addition to geography, there are also ethnic factors (as dusty pointed out), and &#8216;memory&#8217; factor (&#8220;we used to own this&#8221;).</p>
<p>but it does not change your thesis signifantly, since, e.g., ethnic distribution is strongly correlated with geographic prximity and also &#8216;memory&#8217;/historic factor.</p>
<p>your analysis of Germany between wars also reminds me of the kuril dispute between russia and japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54052</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54052</guid>
		<description>I second J. Kende -- this has just become my favorite Chirol post!  

Some questions/considerations: 

1.) American expansion:

&lt;blockquote&gt;re: Will America expand southwards one day?

or northward after a quebecois secession, which would split the maritimes from the rest of canada?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Guys, what about Mexico expanding northward?  That's certainly the demoraphic trend.  

2.) The concept of "buffer states came to mind.":http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/09/29/buffer-states-part-3-switzerland/

3.) On greater Germany:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Whether the Nazis rose or not, Germany would have retaken most of its lost territory.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I never thought about it that way, but I think you're right -- and that should be plastered on every modern historians wall.  

4.) Slovenia is shown inside the German perimeter, but surely it's Slavic, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second J. Kende&#8212;this has just become my favorite Chirol post!</p>
<p>Some questions/considerations:</p>
<p>1.) American expansion:</p>
<p>
<blockquote>re: Will America expand southwards one day?</p></blockquote>
<p>or northward after a quebecois secession, which would split the maritimes from the rest of canada?</p>
<p>Guys, what about Mexico expanding northward?  That&#8217;s certainly the demoraphic trend.</p>
<p>2.) The concept of <a href="http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/09/29/buffer-states-part-3-switzerland/" title="" >buffer states came to mind.</a></p>
<p>3.) On greater Germany:</p>
<p>
<blockquote>Whether the Nazis rose or not, Germany would have retaken most of its lost territory.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never thought about it that way, but I think you&#8217;re right&#8212;and that should be plastered on every modern historians wall.</p>
<p>4.) Slovenia is shown inside the German perimeter, but surely it&#8217;s Slavic, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Mihalache</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54038</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Mihalache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54038</guid>
		<description>If smaller states would have existed between superpowers then war might have been less likely. Maybe. It doesn't follow that the lack of such states caused WW1.

Simply because some forces emerged it doesn't mean that they'll fight, regardless of all other considerations.

I think that the size and power of states tell us only so much about what's possible to happen and that the real causes of wars must be search for in other places, such as the structure of economic production, the political system, the legislation, the attitude towards leisure, work and production, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If smaller states would have existed between superpowers then war might have been less likely. Maybe. It doesn&#8217;t follow that the lack of such states caused <span class="caps">WW1</span>.</p>
<p>Simply because some forces emerged it doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;ll fight, regardless of all other considerations.</p>
<p>I think that the size and power of states tell us only so much about what&#8217;s possible to happen and that the real causes of wars must be search for in other places, such as the structure of economic production, the political system, the legislation, the attitude towards leisure, work and production, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54036</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54036</guid>
		<description>Excellent post! I looked at similar issues "“ nations, states, and places "“ in &lt;a href="http://tdaxp.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/05/26/a_computer_model_of_national_behavior.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;my thesis&lt;/a&gt;, but your work is more enjoyable, informative, and readable! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I looked at similar issues &#8220;&#8220; nations, states, and places &#8220;&#8220; in <a href="http://tdaxp.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/05/26/a_computer_model_of_national_behavior.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/tdaxp.blogspirit.com');">my thesis</a>, but your work is more enjoyable, informative, and readable! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: J.Kende</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54021</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Kende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54021</guid>
		<description>"What does this little trip in the wayback machine tell us? Geography has a much greater influence on politics than we may think and despite good intentions, and especially economic integration (idealized by people like Barnett as the solution to everything), factors such as geography or even a single politican may largely determine war and peace, regardless of what other actors do.

Thus, looking at today's world map, one may ask, will Russia reconquer its lost territory in Central Asia? Will China expand northwards or perhaps into South East Asia? Could India reabsorb Bangladesh, Bhutan or Nepal? Will America expand southwards one day? Will synthetic countries like Bosnia and Afghanistan be split and reattached to their respective ethnic homelands? The answers to all these questions may seem quite clear today, but looking back, it would be unwise to think so. Though the nation-state may be in decline, the rise of political and economic blocks led by regional leaders may essentially repeat what we've seen above, though in the form of an EU, or Chinese-lead Asian Union for example. Only time will tell and until then, si vis pacem para bellum."

Yes. Absolutely. I don't think I've agreed more with any other entry you've written. (Except maybe the one about how cool the Mongol exhibit is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What does this little trip in the wayback machine tell us? Geography has a much greater influence on politics than we may think and despite good intentions, and especially economic integration (idealized by people like Barnett as the solution to everything), factors such as geography or even a single politican may largely determine war and peace, regardless of what other actors do.</p>
<p>Thus, looking at today&#8217;s world map, one may ask, will Russia reconquer its lost territory in Central Asia? Will China expand northwards or perhaps into South East Asia? Could India reabsorb Bangladesh, Bhutan or Nepal? Will America expand southwards one day? Will synthetic countries like Bosnia and Afghanistan be split and reattached to their respective ethnic homelands? The answers to all these questions may seem quite clear today, but looking back, it would be unwise to think so. Though the nation-state may be in decline, the rise of political and economic blocks led by regional leaders may essentially repeat what we&#8217;ve seen above, though in the form of an EU, or Chinese-lead Asian Union for example. Only time will tell and until then, si vis pacem para bellum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Absolutely. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve agreed more with any other entry you&#8217;ve written. (Except maybe the one about how cool the Mongol exhibit is).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Petti</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54020</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Petti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54020</guid>
		<description>Chirol: it wasn't meant as a criticism towards you or the post, just something that struck me from reading it.  I was referring more to the many movements (popular or elite-instrumental) that we have seen throughout history regarding the recovery of some essential territory.  Perhaps the use of the word 'however' was not appropriate :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol: it wasn&#8217;t meant as a criticism towards you or the post, just something that struck me from reading it.  I was referring more to the many movements (popular or elite-instrumental) that we have seen throughout history regarding the recovery of some essential territory.  Perhaps the use of the word &#8216;however&#8217; was not appropriate :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54018</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54018</guid>
		<description>Bill: Perhaps the post left your point unanswered. I didn't mean to suggest there are natural boundaries for states. I think we can agree there are natural geographical boundries such as mountain ranges, rivers and such, but in terms of states, I'll agree there is not. Who says France couldn't move east or Brazil west? Nothing is written in stone in terms of where certain ethnic groups make their state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: Perhaps the post left your point unanswered. I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest there are natural boundaries for states. I think we can agree there are natural geographical boundries such as mountain ranges, rivers and such, but in terms of states, I&#8217;ll agree there is not. Who says France couldn&#8217;t move east or Brazil west? Nothing is written in stone in terms of where certain ethnic groups make their state.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54017</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54017</guid>
		<description>I think your emphasis on the geographical nature of people's ambition, which may be prominent as an individual characteristic, distracts from the equally important ambition of uniting "family" under one government.

Alot of that quote about Stresemann leaves unsaid what I think was Stresemann's more basic ambition -- reuniting Germans and the land on which they live.

And regarding China (read: ardent nationalists), I see that bent being the stronger basis any pursuits in SE Asia, or Korea, for that matter, -- they are really Chinese.  FYI, it isn't a rare occasion that I have heard this as it pertains to the Japanese, either.

Alot more ambition is contorted around ethnic unification than anything else, even to the point of colonization for later geographic incorporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your emphasis on the geographical nature of people&#8217;s ambition, which may be prominent as an individual characteristic, distracts from the equally important ambition of uniting &#8220;family&#8221; under one government.</p>
<p>Alot of that quote about Stresemann leaves unsaid what I think was Stresemann&#8217;s more basic ambition&#8212;reuniting Germans and the land on which they live.</p>
<p>And regarding China (read: ardent nationalists), I see that bent being the stronger basis any pursuits in <span class="caps">SE </span>Asia, or Korea, for that matter,&#8212;they are really Chinese.  <span class="caps">FYI</span>, it isn&#8217;t a rare occasion that I have heard this as it pertains to the Japanese, either.</p>
<p>Alot more ambition is contorted around ethnic unification than anything else, even to the point of colonization for later geographic incorporation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54016</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54016</guid>
		<description>re: &lt;em&gt;Will America expand southwards one day?&lt;/em&gt;

or northward after a quebecois secession, which would split the maritimes from the rest of canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: <em>Will America expand southwards one day?</em></p>
<p>or northward after a quebecois secession, which would split the maritimes from the rest of canada?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Petti</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54013</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Petti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54013</guid>
		<description>Great analysis, however I am intrigued by the persistence of the notion that there are 'natural boundaries' or essences of states that they will inevitably try to retain--even after decades or centuries without them.  Now, prospect theory can tell us a great deal about this impulse, since we do not incorporate losses as quickly and easily as we incorporate gains--so in the short term this seems an adequate explanation of this tendency.  

But over the longer term, if there is nothing inevitable or essential about geography (which I don't think there is), then the more interesting question is under what conditions we can expect politicians to mobilize their populations utilizing a kind of 'recovery' rhetoric?  As you note, there are a number of potential areas where this is likely to come into play in the future, specifically in various parts of Asia.  It is an interesting question, and I don't think we have a good answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis, however I am intrigued by the persistence of the notion that there are &#8216;natural boundaries&#8217; or essences of states that they will inevitably try to retain&#8212;even after decades or centuries without them.  Now, prospect theory can tell us a great deal about this impulse, since we do not incorporate losses as quickly and easily as we incorporate gains&#8212;so in the short term this seems an adequate explanation of this tendency.</p>
<p>But over the longer term, if there is nothing inevitable or essential about geography (which I don&#8217;t think there is), then the more interesting question is under what conditions we can expect politicians to mobilize their populations utilizing a kind of &#8216;recovery&#8217; rhetoric?  As you note, there are a number of potential areas where this is likely to come into play in the future, specifically in various parts of Asia.  It is an interesting question, and I don&#8217;t think we have a good answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: felipe the latinlover</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54008</link>
		<dc:creator>felipe the latinlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have looking the news, and documentals about europe, and really looks like more that europe will became in euroarabia,  really  i see a very dark future to europe if the situation continue like that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have looking the news, and documentals about europe, and really looks like more that europe will became in euroarabia,  really  i see a very dark future to europe if the situation continue like that</p>
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		<title>By: ElamBend</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54006</link>
		<dc:creator>ElamBend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/12/10/geopolitical-temptation-in-europe/#comment-54006</guid>
		<description>"the surplus energy of the younger generation"

Very wise words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the surplus energy of the younger generation&#8221;</p>
<p>Very wise words.</p>
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