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Divide et impera

UPDATE: Question to readers—where does Korea belong in the three camps listed in the second blockquote?

The US is not taking part in the upcoming East Asia summit, but we do, as this article says, have a dog in this fight.

There is a fight under way at the summit, albeit a polite and diplomatic tussle. The Japanese, with discreet but potent American backing, have already ensured that the original plan of the former Malaysian premier for a purely Asian summit was blocked. Australia and New Zealand will now be taking part in the forum, to the fury of the still-influential Mahathir Mohammed.

“We are not going to have an East Asian summit. We are going to have an East Asia-Australasia summit,” Mahathir told a specially convened news conference last week to complain that the presence of Australia and New Zealand subverted his dream of a genuinely Asian forum.

“Now Australia is basically European and it has made clear to the rest of the world it is the deputy sheriff to America and therefore, Australia’s view would represent not the East but the views reflecting the stand of America,” Mahathir added.

Oh, how bigots will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

So what is emerging, in America’s absence, looks to be three distinct camps of a potentially uncomfortable assembly. The Australians and Indians and Japanese, and some of the more Western-minded ASEAN members, want to focus on economic cooperation and trade, but within the overall framework of the World Trade Organization, plus useful collaboration in areas like common action against avian flu. This group also wants to retain the current role of the United States as the region’s key security guarantor.

Then there is China, which evidently assumes that its economic prowess will eventually ensure that the East Asian summit, the region’s economy and its security system are all dominated by Beijing, and not necessarily in an aggressive way. Still, Beijing wants this process to develop on China’s own terms, for example this week ruling out the usual trilateral meeting with Japan and South Korea because of its complaints that Japan is not sufficiently remorseful for its actions in World War II.

And finally there are the original ASEAN members, uncomfortably aware that they are now part of something far bigger than all of them. They understandably dread the prospect of great power rivalry between China and India, or between China and the United States, and hope that trade links and diplomatic structures like the summit process will ensure that such rivalries do not get out of hand.

I was pleasantly surprised to hear Foreign Minister Aso describe the eventual goals: “Japan believes we should bring into being the East Asia Free Trade Area and the East Asia Investment Area in order to move us even one step closer to regional economic integration.”

Woah, ambitious—and not something we regularly hear from Japan. Of course, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Saru
December 9, 2005
4:49 pm
_"Woah, ambitious"”?and not something we regularly hear from Japan. Of course, I'll believe it when I see it."_

Well said, although I disagree about it not being regularly heard from Japan. There has been talk about doing this kind of thing for years now.

Japan got in the FTA game rather late and it has been slow going ever since. They have two completed with Singapore and Mexico, and a number of others are in the works, but don't hold your breath on a Japan-ASEAN deal anytime soon. Thailand is the world's largest rice exporter, so that's a non-starter right there. In fact, if you look at the "latest report":http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/thailand/joint0509/joint0509_2.txt on the Japan-Thailand Economic Parternship Agreement, you'll see that rice is under the "Exclusion/Re-negotiation" section.
Kirk H. Sowell
December 9, 2005
4:53 pm
But remember - Mahathir is a moderate.
Curzon
December 9, 2005
4:57 pm
Agriculture is an understandable exception for any country, especially Japan, which imports the highest proportion of its calories (60%) than any other nation state.

Speaking of which, interesting documentary on "the farm life in Japan, available here":http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2005/11/japan_the_slow.html (about ten minutes).
Dan
December 9, 2005
5:32 pm
Interesting stuff, Curzon. Is there a table that shows imported calories / consumed calories for the countries of the world?
nykrindc
December 9, 2005
5:33 pm
I remember reading a few months ago that China wanted to turn the Korea nuclear group made up of Russia, China, South Korea and Japan into a quasi NATO like alliance to deal with security issues in the region. Barnett has argued that what we need to do is to turn ASEAN into this very sort of alliance mechanism to guarantee peace in the region and to promote economic prosperity. Maybe we can use the larger East Asian summit to incorporate New Zealand and Australia to to an Asian NATO like entity.

Where does Korea fit? Both North and South, they are like the big elephant in the room that can smash the table and divide it into factions if the N Korea nuclear situation isn't resolved in a matter that makes all of the players in the region happy.
Curzon
December 9, 2005
7:08 pm
Dan: Not to my knowledge. However, this is a fact that Japanese government officials will raise in their defense of strict agricultural protections (at least they did in the 1980s and 1990s -- today, the EU and the US both give more money to domestic agriculture than Japan ever did).
ElamBend
December 9, 2005
8:27 pm
Chauvanism in S. Korea seems to have been creeping up in the last decade or so; much of it directed at the little satan (USA) and the big satan (Japan). It's not as if they think much of China either, but seem to reflexively see the Chinese or NorKo side, if it provides a way to snub the two satans.
This, of course, is a gross generalization, especially given that they even provided troops to Iraq and much stronger cultural ties to both satans than they'd ever wish to admit; but like a spoiled teenager trying to prove his self-worth it attacks those who are the closest.
As for Curzon's question I think they would see them selves in a fourth camp, as a power that should have the same standing as the Japanese, Aussies, Indians, and Americans, but just can't get no respect; and therefore are currently free agents.
sun bin
December 9, 2005
8:40 pm
i thought the NE Asia 3-country summit has nothing to do with the East Asia Summit. it is just a side-meeting taking advantage of the logistic convenience.

It shouldn't have anything to do with "China's term" in East Asia Summit.
Saru
December 9, 2005
10:17 pm
Sun Bin: You're correct. The three country summit doesn't have anything to do with the EAS. It usually takes place on the side of the ASEAN + 3 meeting.

I interpreted the article as suggesting that both Beijing's refusal to hold the usual side meeting at ASEAN, and its stong role in the EAS are simply means by which it hopes to increase its influence in the region. As for China's terms in the EAS, its clout is unquestionably greater in a room that does not include the United States.
Adamu
December 9, 2005
10:33 pm
If you read the Nikkei "East Asian regionalism is a topic that comes up time and again... They hold symposia on it and whatnot":http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/future/remark0505.html

It's also on the agenda of the (influential business lobby) Nippon Keidanren's "Vision 2025 policy":http://www.keidanren.or.jp/english/policy/vision2025.pdf"

Aso's "Defining Japan speech":http://www.infojapan.org/announce/fm/aso/speech0512.html is historic and deserves close attention. He admits that Japan has its problems but insists that it is still the "leader" and "stabilizer" of the region where it counts. The way I see it, Japan has always seen East Asia as its backyard, so a regionally integrated Asia with Japan as its leader is just a peaceful way to pull off the "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" that had been the pre-war dream of Japan.

The way I see it, the ROK would be shooting itself in the foot by alienating Japan and the US and getting closer to China. I have no idea what they are thinking.
Sonagi
December 9, 2005
11:24 pm
Korea will try to straddle the middle between Beijing and Japan. Koreans see their nation as a small country that has long struggled to maintain its sovereignty against wars and meddling by more powerful countries. The Koreans will not throw themselves into one camp and be dominated by a more powerful neighbor. As for ASEAN, well, Koreans see the countries of Southeast Asia as nothing more than cheap labor to work in their factories.
Tom
December 9, 2005
11:25 pm
Adamu,

I think it's pretty clear what the ROK is thinking, and the second paragraph in the second blockquote captures it nicely. They see China as a rising regional power and the key to their long-range future. Getting an earlier start on building a good relationship is something that makes sense to them. The other big incentive for them is Chinese influence over the DPRK; personally, I think the ROK's China position only makes sense if China is going to help them manage the Kim regime through its eventual downfall, including ensuring that the ROK doessn't get attacked. Until the Kim regime falls and/or the U.S. withdraws from the region, the ROK will keep the U.S. security relationship alive, but I don't expect that relationship to survive much past the death of North Korea.
sun bin
December 10, 2005
12:03 am
tom is mostly right. but add to that is the japan factor (Korean's distrust). It is a also belligerent Japan that has pushed Seoul into arms of a friendly China.

Korea has come out of the cold war mentality against the North, or vs China. You really cannot blame them for this.

having said that, it will continue to be cautious and suspicious of the large neighbor China.
sun bin
December 10, 2005
12:08 am
...the decision to call off the 3-country meeting is made together by Korea and China. (I think the news report also said it was unclear whether there is a China-Korea meeting...the reporters hinted that is likely)

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Saru, you are probably right. If China is more assertive than just countering the Japanese assertiveness, I would be surprised. Because that goes against the Deng doctrine of 'laying low and do not lead'
one example is the "low lying approach in the WTO meeting as reported in WSJ":http://chinatalk.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=chinamatters&action=display&num=1134173213
although WTO is not the perfect analogy here.
Ron Patterson
December 10, 2005
2:02 am
When Kim's regime in North Korea falls which seems inevitable, the U.S. will have less reason to have a large military presence in the region, and of course will lose much of its influence with the South. The Asian states are looking to build a stable system to replace the American influence. As for Japan can anyone say East Asia co-prosperity Sphere.
ElamBend
December 10, 2005
2:26 am
When the NK regime falls, the U.S. will still have a reason to have a presence there, it will just be less concurrent with ROK's goals.
An "East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" as an end is perfectly okay and probably desirable. It was the means by which Japan tried to reach that goal 60 years ago that still has its neighbors suspicious of its intentions.
I can understand the ROK's position as enunciated by Sun Bin, but I can't help but feel a little betrayed after 50 years of defending their border. However, I must admit that an unstated factor is that the ROK must see the relation between the US and Japan as closer than its relationship with the US (and as zero sum, i.e. the US either supports Nippon or Chosen, but not both).

Hopefully, we will pass through this emerging reorganization of power as peacefully as possible. Admittedly the US wants to remain dominate, but a close secondary goal is to remain part of the equation in the center of the rising powers for the next centuries. (i.e. if we can't solely be on top, we'd like to remain rich)
Sonagi
December 10, 2005
3:56 am
Sunbin is Chinese, not Korean.

There is a lot of talk about whether the US would remain in Korea after reunification. Given South Korea's Sunshine policy of propping up the NK regime with food and energy while stifling any domestic criticism, I am pessimistic about reunification in the near future. The US does not need to wait for reunification. It can leave anytime. South Korea is quite capable of defending itself and doesn't need to worry about tanks rolling across the DMZ since the two Koreas are so chummy these days.
Curzon
December 10, 2005
4:01 am
There is no reason why a united Korea, Japan, and the US can't be the best of friends. (Or perhaps said better, there _should_ be no reason.)
ElamBend
December 10, 2005
2:40 pm
There should be no reason, but the US may get face a hostile political movement and generation much as it suffered in the Phillipines.
Sonagi
December 10, 2005
3:11 pm
This week there was a North Korean human rights summit in Seoul. The Korean media have been very critical of this summit, claiming that the participants are violating the human rights of the North Koreans by aspiring for regime change.
Zhang Fei
December 10, 2005
3:39 pm
South Korea's position is somewhat understandable, even from a purely self-interested standpoint. It does not want to reunify with North Korea, because the costs are too high. Unifying with North Korea will also deprive SK of a buffer state - it will now face Chinese troops directly across the Yalu River. This probably means security costs will rise dramatically. SK is merely trying to extract maximum benefit from its American ally while minimizing the chances for war with a NK that it knows cannot successfully invade SK, whether using conventional forces or even NK's handful of nukes. This is why SK is annoyed that Uncle Sam is getting confrontational with NK over its nukes. But at the same time, it would like to retain the alliance and the American nuclear umbrella in case NK or China move in the direction of land grabs.
Zhang Fei
December 10, 2005
3:46 pm
Singapore is surrounded by two hostile Muslim states and has no interest in becoming a Chinese vassal state. This is why it will keep agitating for out-of-area involvement in the affairs of the region. The ancient Chinese strategic precept of being wary of neighboring powers and allying with distant powers applies here. Except no Chinese strategist would have imagined that the most distant power in question, Uncle Sam, could be over ten thousand miles away (if you understand the seat of American power as DC, on the US mainland).
Sonagi
December 10, 2005
5:06 pm
North Korea as a buffer state against China? Hmmm, the NorKs have sent numerous spy submarines to the South and have engaged in lethal military clashes in the Yellow Sea, not to mention assassinations and airplane bombings in the past. Some buffer state. Of course, South Koreans are put off by the cost and chaos of immediate reunification. I think the South's current strategy of appeasing the North is aimed at replacing China as the North's chief patron.
ElamBend
December 10, 2005
6:30 pm
Sonagi,
You may be on to something there.
Should NK ever open up, I wonder if the n. Koreans will feel any bitter toward the s. Koreans whose only concern for thier [the northerners] civil rights was over regime change and not how that regime treats them.
As much as I am frustrated by the dual game the ROK plays with its chief ally, I am more aghast at the, in my eyes, morally detached manner in which many s. Koreans treat the hardships of their cousins to the north.
It's as if some w. Germans were more concerned that the Honniker government was treated with respect than whether e. Germans were.
Dan tdaxp
December 10, 2005
6:45 pm
Excellent post! I looked at similar issues - nations, states, and places - in my thesis, but your work is more enjoyable, informative, and readable! :-)
Dan tdaxp
December 10, 2005
8:17 pm
Oops! Wrong thread!
Ron Patterson
December 11, 2005
2:07 am
North and South Korea between them have an army of 1.6 million, how can defense expenditures rise? Both sides are armed to the teeth. A united Korea could be a fearsome beast. Although unification would be costly it would create a state of 80 million japanese hating Koreans. These are a fierce people who survived living betwee japan, China and Russia. A united Korea would definitely change the strategic face of Asia. The South is soft on the North because they will have to live with many of the norths thugs in the future, and hope to make the transition smoother. Also the South repects Kim's anti japanese stance and believe it or not admire his "firmness" in dealing with his populace. Both China and japan are trying to come to grips with the future unification. Much like Europe struggled to come to terms with a unified Germany
Dan
December 11, 2005
5:47 pm
Although unification would be costly it would create a state of 80 million japanese hating Koreans.

A third of whose populace will be stuck with the long-term effects of lifelong malnutrition.

The South is soft on the North because they will have to live with many of the norths thugs in the future, and hope to make the transition smoother.

Given the South's history of persecutiong out-of-favor politicians on its own side, I don't think Kim's men have much of a chance in a united Korea.
Sonagi
December 11, 2005
7:46 pm
"North and South Korea between them have an army of 1.6 million, how can defense expenditures rise? Both sides are armed to the teeth. A united Korea could be a fearsome beast. "

The rising expenditures won't be for the military. The money will be used to upgrade public infrastructure and industrial development in the North. It is ironic that despite the differences of the participating countries in the six-party talks, it seems that they all share a common interest in delaying reunification as long as possible.
Ron Patterson
December 12, 2005
1:11 am
Good points by Dan and Sonagi! But I wonder whether their will be any retribution against Kim or his henchmen. Kim is viewed by many in the South as a man who has kept Korean cultue "pure" and the ideas of "Juche" independence strike a strong chord in Koreans hearts.
A united Korea frightens both japan and China. It would be a threat to japan and seen as a flashpoint for Chinese who do not want instability on their borders.
The malnutrition issue is a real one. Reports of stunted adults, mentally challenged people,due to starvation show the true horror of the Kim regime.
As much as I feel Bush and Co. have made many mistakes in the region standing firm against Kim and his gangsters should be appauled by the world. Japan and the North standing toe to toe with the North nuclear and the Japanese capable of nuclear weapons and the Chinese backing the North and the U.S. backing japan. Really, really scary when you think of the reports of Kims' mental instability.
The South really has a schizophrenic viewpoint looking to the U.S. for protection but hating America for "interfering' in their family feud. SAd that fiftyfive years after the war the U.S. is still stuck in Korea. Another attempt to save "democracy'
Sonagi
December 12, 2005
1:42 am
I reject disparagements of Kim as a looney. He has maintained power for ten years by pimping a famine to get food and energy, by becoming the world's top counterfeiters, by smoozing the South with cultural exchanges, by dangling nuclear weapons in front of Uncle Sam, and most of all, by playing on the growing division between the US and South Korea.

Kim Jong-il will never face retribution unless the Koreans dig up his corpse. Watching Hu Jintao and Kim Jong-il walk the red carpet together, I noticed that Hu strode confidently with squared shoulders while Kim just slouched along. KJI is reputed to be in poor health, and I would not be surprised if he died before the end of this decade. A quick coup will topple whichever son inherits the throne.
Ron Patterson
December 12, 2005
3:28 am
Sonagi , I think you are dead on about Kim's health. He really looked unwell. Those $600.00 bottles of cognac must not be setting well with him.
A famine pimp great image.. But still think there is some evidence that he is short a few card from the deck.
Some say that those who would seize power after his death are worse, the hard core generals who have nothing to lose. Better this whole business ends quickly. I think Korea shows what happens when power is not applied correctly or in a limited way. hindsight is 20/20 but MacArthur may have been correct.
lirelou
December 12, 2005
4:16 am
Sonagi, Why a "quick coup"? Just as the Kims assumed the Japanese emperor's mantle of divinity for their own leadership, could not a strong general also decide to leave a Kim on the throne while he ruled from the background, as in the days of the Shogunate? But, then, so far I see no evidence that such a Shogun is ready to assume power, so it looks as if after the Kims comes the "deluge".