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By: sun bin

sun bin — Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:09:44 +0000

Diametrically opposite intellectuals in the top 100 public intellectuals

Coming Anarchy questioned my earlier post on China’s “peaceful development”, after Japan sent out its fighter jet 30 times in 7 months into the disputed water. Maybe we have another indicator here.

By: By Dawn's Early Light

By Dawn's Early Light — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:18:07 +0000

China vs. Japan in the Air over East China Sea

China and Japan in military maneuvering over energy.

By: sun bin

sun bin — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:34:26 +0000

I know about the claims, EEZ and seabed rights(mining), which are actually different claims.
There are supposed to be no implication on air traffic.

By: Pavlov3

Pavlov3 — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:04:19 +0000

Mutant Frog, the battle of Nomohan (sic?) was fought between the Soviets and Japan at the end of WWII. The Russians were doing their big land grab after the first nuke went off. As I recall General Zhukov (sic?) was scrambled out of Germany on a fast transport to lead the attack.
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Sun Bin, you are correct 12 miles is the international limit, although both China and Japan are very creative in how they define it, and I believe China holds to a much larger limit that actually overlaps several other nations borders. Since the gas fields are disputed, both China and Japan claim them as their territory, so the flights may not actually be anything more than posturing.

By: sun bin

sun bin — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:11:54 +0000

I don’t understand the international law about these events.

US claimed it can fly its EP-3 within 12 nautical miles to the land border of any country (Hainan).

But China cannot fly its plane into a disputed areas?

Based on int’l law alone, isn’t China entilted to fly into 12 miles from Tokyo and Japan 12 miles from Ningbo?

By: Kushibo

Kushibo — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:09:40 +0000

Curzon, I never really got around to asking this, but this is related to another thread I can’t find now:

When did Korea and Japan become allies?

By: Kushibo

Kushibo — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:50:49 +0000

That all depends on what timeline you’re talking, Mutantfrog. If you mean that there was no fighting after they declared war in 1945, then that might be an arguable position.

But if you mean that there was no Russian-Japanese fighting in World War II, it would appear you’re wrong: I have read that almost 9000 Soviets and 18,000 Japanese were killed in Khalkhin Gol.

By: Mutantfrog

Mutantfrog — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:41:11 +0000

The USSR declared war on Japan in WW2, but they never actually fought.

By: Saru

Saru — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:10:50 +0000

Jing – no one refers to either of those conflicts as “Russo-Japanese” anything.

By: Kushibo

Kushibo — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:50:46 +0000

Curzon, I’m going to say it was a bit disingenuous to not include this paragraph (that Jing mentions): A national daily newspaper said Wednesday that Chinese surveillance planes were flying over natural gas sites in the East China Sea that are claimed by both Tokyo and Beijing.

I’m not saying that isn’t a tense situation, but Chinese planes flying over unoccupied (?) islands that they themselves claim is a very different matter from them flying over undisputed Japanese territory, something North Korea might do and which your presentation seemed to suggest.

Also from the article:
Another 72 scramblings were triggered by Russian planes during the April-October period this year, according to the first official. He did not provide any other details. Japan and Russia both claim islands off Japan’s northern main island of Hokkaido that were seized by Moscow near the end of World War II.

And Russia occupies those islands. I’d like to know more about this. Were Japanese planes scrambling toward Russian planes that were flying over Russia-occupied territory?

One thing I was thinking that as funny the other day was that a lot of people (apologists for right-wing Japanese politicians, to a large extent) like to point out that the war has been over for sixty years, when in fact, it is not over officially, not as far as the Russians and the Japanese are concerned.

By: Jing

Jing — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:31:41 +0000

One minor quibbel Saru, but it would be Russo-Japan III to be precise. Every seems to forget that the Soviet Union had declared war on Japan before the war ended and if the technicality is not enough, Soviet and Japanese forces had clashed years earlier in 1939 at Khalkhin Gol.

By: Jing

Jing — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:25:19 +0000

I’d hazard to venture that the aircraft were maritime surveillance planes or perhaps Elint aircraft that were either passing near Japanese airspace or probeing for a response.

Actually what I find amusing about the article is this sentence.

“A national daily newspaper said Wednesday that Chinese surveillance planes were flying over natural gas sites in the East China Sea that are claimed by both Tokyo and Beijing.”

Mainichi didn’t name the newspaper, but I’ve read this report already and the daily in question is actually the Sankei. (Guess theres no need to name competitors)

By: Saru

Saru — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:16:17 +0000

Checking the rest of the article, I see that they scrambled 72 times for Russians during the same period, but no one’s worried about Russo-Japan II. They also scrambled 30 times for Chinese planes in 1998, which means that if tensions go up, they can also come down.

So what?