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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-45332</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there has been some research in Japan showing link to a couple ethnic minorities in Yunnan China.

the link probably goes back to long before Han dominated China proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there has been some research in Japan showing link to a couple ethnic minorities in Yunnan China.</p>

<p>the link probably goes back to long before Han dominated China proper.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-45321</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself wasn&#039;t suggesting anything more than a &quot;tie&quot; or a &quot;connection,&quot; much as what you appear to be saying. Perhaps Koreans speak Neo-Shilla-mal and Japanese speak Neo-Kudara-go (Paekche-mal). 

I mentioned the theories of others that one came from the other only to show how some have tried to use this for nationalistic ends. While the linguists established a connection, the idea of one coming from the other was speculative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself wasn&#8217;t suggesting anything more than a &#8220;tie&#8221; or a &#8220;connection,&#8221; much as what you appear to be saying. Perhaps Koreans speak Neo-Shilla-mal and Japanese speak Neo-Kudara-go (Paekche-mal). </p>

<p>I mentioned the theories of others that one came from the other only to show how some have tried to use this for nationalistic ends. While the linguists established a connection, the idea of one coming from the other was speculative.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-45316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Japanese came from Korean, or vice-versa. While the similarities are enough proof of a relationship, the differences in core vocabulary are also pretty extreme. What I find more likely is that they have a common ancestor, but diverged a long time ago. It is believed that during the Three Kingdoms era there were still several different but related languages spoken on the Korean penninsula, and there is a theory that Japan is more closely related to one of the extinct ones than to the language that evolved into modern Korean. I find this quite believable. 

Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corea.it/kudara_1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this great article&lt;/a&gt; for some speculation on the relationship between ancient Japanese and Korean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Japanese came from Korean, or vice-versa. While the similarities are enough proof of a relationship, the differences in core vocabulary are also pretty extreme. What I find more likely is that they have a common ancestor, but diverged a long time ago. It is believed that during the Three Kingdoms era there were still several different but related languages spoken on the Korean penninsula, and there is a theory that Japan is more closely related to one of the extinct ones than to the language that evolved into modern Korean. I find this quite believable. </p>

<p>Check out <a href="http://www.corea.it/kudara_1.htm">this great article</a> for some speculation on the relationship between ancient Japanese and Korean.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-45265</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On similar maps (if I have time, I&#039;ll link one), I have seen &quot;Korean-Japanese&quot; or &quot;Japanese-Korean&quot; listed as a separate language family. 

Like Mutantfrog says, the two languages have such uncannily similar grammar that it is nearly inconceivable that there is not some strong tie (and the connection may go back only 1300 years, as late as the fall of Paekche, not 2000 years). Proponents of theories of racial homogeneity on either side of the Tsushima Strait may wish to deny that, but more objective minds would acknowledge a connection.

In the 1920s and the 1930s some Japanese linguists theorized that one must have come from the other (the nationalistic conclusion then being that early Koreans were migrants from Japan, which justified bringing Chosen back into greater Japan). 

Today, some Koreans like to point out the connection as proof that Korea is the big brother to Japan (for similar reasons, the Independence Hall museum used to mention the exceptionally large cranial capacity of Koreans and Japanese to demonstrate superiority, as well as an inadvertent genetic connection between the two, which was odd considering the theme of the museum itself).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On similar maps (if I have time, I&#8217;ll link one), I have seen &#8220;Korean-Japanese&#8221; or &#8220;Japanese-Korean&#8221; listed as a separate language family. </p>

<p>Like Mutantfrog says, the two languages have such uncannily similar grammar that it is nearly inconceivable that there is not some strong tie (and the connection may go back only 1300 years, as late as the fall of Paekche, not 2000 years). Proponents of theories of racial homogeneity on either side of the Tsushima Strait may wish to deny that, but more objective minds would acknowledge a connection.</p>

<p>In the 1920s and the 1930s some Japanese linguists theorized that one must have come from the other (the nationalistic conclusion then being that early Koreans were migrants from Japan, which justified bringing Chosen back into greater Japan). </p>

<p>Today, some Koreans like to point out the connection as proof that Korea is the big brother to Japan (for similar reasons, the Independence Hall museum used to mention the exceptionally large cranial capacity of Koreans and Japanese to demonstrate superiority, as well as an inadvertent genetic connection between the two, which was odd considering the theme of the museum itself).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44880</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured that you knew, but I threw it out there for the other readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured that you knew, but I threw it out there for the other readers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44852</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) yes, i know about the 15%. in fact, a lot in the cities as well.

was just trying to show that it is difficult to make good representation in maps. the map maker probably just assigned some 15% pop-weighted area to christainity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:) yes, i know about the 15%. in fact, a lot in the cities as well.</p>

<p>was just trying to show that it is difficult to make good representation in maps. the map maker probably just assigned some 15% pop-weighted area to christainity.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44739</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin, Christianity is proportionally practiced more by the mountain dwelling aboriginal tribes than by anyone else in Taiwan. There are a decent number of Christians in Taipei, but at best it&#039;s something like 15%, which is totally overwhelmed by the Buddhist/Daoist/traditional Chinese religion practicing majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin, Christianity is proportionally practiced more by the mountain dwelling aboriginal tribes than by anyone else in Taiwan. There are a decent number of Christians in Taipei, but at best it&#8217;s something like 15%, which is totally overwhelmed by the Buddhist/Daoist/traditional Chinese religion practicing majority.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44723</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if fact, they are often inaccurate.

for example, china should be agnostic.
if we color it using the largest faction.

and i don&#039;t understand why the portestants in taiwan hide in the mountains :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if fact, they are often inaccurate.</p>

<p>for example, china should be agnostic.<br />
if we color it using the largest faction.</p>

<p>and i don&#8217;t understand why the portestants in taiwan hide in the mountains :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44722</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these low resolution are all over-simplified. i couldn&#039;t find better one, sorry. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these low resolution are all over-simplified. i couldn&#8217;t find better one, sorry. :(</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44717</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin, your map is terribly over-simplified. Vietnam has Buddhists, Catholics, Cao Daiists, Hoa Haos, Protestants, Muslims, and a very small number of Hindus (Cham-Kfir, as opposed to Moslem Cham-Bani), plus at least hundreds of thousands of Animists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin, your map is terribly over-simplified. Vietnam has Buddhists, Catholics, Cao Daiists, Hoa Haos, Protestants, Muslims, and a very small number of Hindus (Cham-Kfir, as opposed to Moslem Cham-Bani), plus at least hundreds of thousands of Animists.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44714</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spain actually has four languages: Castilian, Gallego, Euzkadi (Basque), and Catalan. I think the map is fairly accurate for the Basque speaking area of France, although many people who live north of that area, and as far as Armagnac and Bearn, identify themselves as of Basque descent. Basque also heavily influenced the Gascon dialect of French. (You used to be able to hear Basque spoken on Saturday nights in downtown Boise, Idaho)

Regarding indigenous languages in Latin America. There are far too many to enumerate here, but indigenous languages are still spoken in the majority of Latin countries and Brazil. You won&#039;t hear indigenous languages spoken in Uruguay, Argentina, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, or Puerto Rico, and the number of Chilean indigenous language speakers has to be extremely small. In only one country, is an indigenous language co-equal with Spanish, and that is Paraguay, whose native language is Guarani. You can find two versions of a Spanish-Guarani dictionary for sale inthe book stores, and even hear Blond hairred blue-eyed Mennonites conversing in the language. In Paraguay, Guarani is the language of the home, and Spanish the language outside the home. Paraguayans meeting each other for the first time overseas often slip into Guarani as a means of reaffirming their identity. Bolivia has Aymara, Quechua, and Guarani speakers, Peru has mostly Quechua speakers, as does Ecuador, but those two versions of Quechua are about as different as Engllish and German (both Germanic languages). Colombia and Venezuela have some Chibcha related languages. All countries sharing the Amazon have indigenous Ameridian populations there speaking their indigenous languages (many related to Guarani). Panama has Tule (San Blas Indians), Chokoi, Ngoble-Bugli, and several others. Costa Rica generally does not have indigenous languages, but one tribe in Western Panama in semi-nomadic and often moves into parts of Costa Rica. Nicaragua has some indigenous languages on the Atlantic coast spoken by the Miskitos, Honduras and El Salvador may have some small pockets of Mayan or Pipil speakers. Guatemala has major areas where various Mayan dialects are spoken. Mexico has many indigenous languages, some spoken by very small tribes. If you refuse to buy a small doll or souvenir from the indigenous women selling their wares on the block next to the U.S. Embassy, you&#039;ll likely hear some choice words in Nahuatl. Finally, Surinam should be mentioned in that it has both Amerindian and African derived (Maroon) languages that survive. 

Generally, in Latin America, educated people do not take any pride in the fact that indigenous languages survive, and tend to view them as evidence of under-development. There is evidence to support this view, as indigenous languages tend to survive either in pocket areas outside those most closely tied to the national economy, or among the very poorest classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain actually has four languages: Castilian, Gallego, Euzkadi (Basque), and Catalan. I think the map is fairly accurate for the Basque speaking area of France, although many people who live north of that area, and as far as Armagnac and Bearn, identify themselves as of Basque descent. Basque also heavily influenced the Gascon dialect of French. (You used to be able to hear Basque spoken on Saturday nights in downtown Boise, Idaho)</p>

<p>Regarding indigenous languages in Latin America. There are far too many to enumerate here, but indigenous languages are still spoken in the majority of Latin countries and Brazil. You won&#8217;t hear indigenous languages spoken in Uruguay, Argentina, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, or Puerto Rico, and the number of Chilean indigenous language speakers has to be extremely small. In only one country, is an indigenous language co-equal with Spanish, and that is Paraguay, whose native language is Guarani. You can find two versions of a Spanish-Guarani dictionary for sale inthe book stores, and even hear Blond hairred blue-eyed Mennonites conversing in the language. In Paraguay, Guarani is the language of the home, and Spanish the language outside the home. Paraguayans meeting each other for the first time overseas often slip into Guarani as a means of reaffirming their identity. Bolivia has Aymara, Quechua, and Guarani speakers, Peru has mostly Quechua speakers, as does Ecuador, but those two versions of Quechua are about as different as Engllish and German (both Germanic languages). Colombia and Venezuela have some Chibcha related languages. All countries sharing the Amazon have indigenous Ameridian populations there speaking their indigenous languages (many related to Guarani). Panama has Tule (San Blas Indians), Chokoi, Ngoble-Bugli, and several others. Costa Rica generally does not have indigenous languages, but one tribe in Western Panama in semi-nomadic and often moves into parts of Costa Rica. Nicaragua has some indigenous languages on the Atlantic coast spoken by the Miskitos, Honduras and El Salvador may have some small pockets of Mayan or Pipil speakers. Guatemala has major areas where various Mayan dialects are spoken. Mexico has many indigenous languages, some spoken by very small tribes. If you refuse to buy a small doll or souvenir from the indigenous women selling their wares on the block next to the <span class="caps">U.S.</span> Embassy, you&#8217;ll likely hear some choice words in Nahuatl. Finally, Surinam should be mentioned in that it has both Amerindian and African derived (Maroon) languages that survive. </p>

<p>Generally, in Latin America, educated people do not take any pride in the fact that indigenous languages survive, and tend to view them as evidence of under-development. There is evidence to support this view, as indigenous languages tend to survive either in pocket areas outside those most closely tied to the national economy, or among the very poorest classes.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44708</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a buddhist blob on malay pennisula as well...looks like &#039;great KL&#039;

!http://www.religionstatistics.net/indochinesia.gif!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a buddhist blob on malay pennisula as well&#8230;looks like &#8216;great <span class="caps">KL&#8217;</span></p>

<p><img src="http://www.religionstatistics.net/indochinesia.gif" alt="" /></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44699</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.&quot;

even within the tibetans, the dialects are as different as, say cantonese vs mandarin. or italian vs german?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.&#8221;</p>

<p>even within the tibetans, the dialects are as different as, say cantonese vs mandarin. or italian vs german?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s nice. Persian, Russian, and English are all very different from one another, but they&#039;re still all Indo-European languages. Sino-Tibetan is apparently &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not as accepted as Indo-European&lt;/a&gt;, but still...

I get the impression that the inclusion of Japanese and Korean into the Altaic family is becoming less controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.</i></p>

<p>That&#8217;s nice. Persian, Russian, and English are all very different from one another, but they&#8217;re still all Indo-European languages. Sino-Tibetan is apparently <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages">not as accepted as Indo-European</a>, but still&#8230;</p>

<p>I get the impression that the inclusion of Japanese and Korean into the Altaic family is becoming less controversial.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it will be a while before the scholars catch up with the scholarship!  
My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.  
Tibet was a mighty imperialist nation until the Arab/Persian armies institued their &quot;no mortar left un-smashed&quot; policy in Afganistan and sent all the Tibetans into what we think of today as tibet (around 700CE).
Tibetans at one time dominated what we call Indo-China, it should probably be called Indo-Tibet! 
The Chinese Sung Dynasty fled the Mongols around 1200CE and the entire royal family inter-married with the Thai royal family.  They transported their entire ceramics culture with them. ( That&#039;s why the most valuble ceramics in the world (Sung) suddenly started being made in Thailand.)  It was a big migration and it changed the language.  I don&#039;t think the Mongol invasions of Vietnam had such a strong linguistic effect.
Still, since the Tibetans don&#039;t want their history to be known, the massive influence they had on commerce, technology, warfare and of course language,  prior to their bazzar retreat into Buddhism will be slow to get into the history books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it will be a while before the scholars catch up with the scholarship!  <br />
My friends who speak both Tibetan and Chinese say there is no such thing as sino-tibetan, they are very different languages.  <br />
Tibet was a mighty imperialist nation until the Arab/Persian armies institued their &#8220;no mortar left un-smashed&#8221; policy in Afganistan and sent all the Tibetans into what we think of today as tibet (around 700CE).<br />
Tibetans at one time dominated what we call Indo-China, it should probably be called Indo-Tibet! <br />
The Chinese Sung Dynasty fled the Mongols around 1200CE and the entire royal family inter-married with the Thai royal family.  They transported their entire ceramics culture with them. ( That&#8217;s why the most valuble ceramics in the world (Sung) suddenly started being made in Thailand.)  It was a big migration and it changed the language.  I don&#8217;t think the Mongol invasions of Vietnam had such a strong linguistic effect.<br />
Still, since the Tibetans don&#8217;t want their history to be known, the massive influence they had on commerce, technology, warfare and of course language,  prior to their bazzar retreat into Buddhism will be slow to get into the history books.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you could say that Aborigines exactly flourish in the interior of Australia, but at least some of them live there, and pretty much no white people do aside from park rangers or something.

As for Japanese and Korean, they are unquestionably related to each other, this is really only denied by people who have some kind of stake in the uniqueness of one or both of the ethnic groups. They are also probably related to the larger Altaic group, but split off many thousands of years ago. 

Japanese was most likely formed by a mixture of the languages spoken by immigrants from the Korean penninsula over 2000 years ago, speaking one (or more!) of the many extinct languages related to ancient Korean that existed before political unification, and some variant of the Austronesian language family spoken by the earliest inhabitants of Japan.

I took one semester of Korean, and the grammar was so similar to Japanese that I can&#039;t even conceive of the possibility that they aren&#039;t related.

Interestingly, the Basque language is a leftover from before the Indo-Europeans invaded Europe.

The colors on Taiwan are definitely a mistake. Whether Taiwanese and Hakka should be considered mere dialects of Chinese or not, they are still part of the Sino-Tibetan language group. I think Taiwan also deserves a splash of the pink, since the 9 surviving native tribes speak languages that the entire Austronesian group is descended from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you could say that Aborigines exactly flourish in the interior of Australia, but at least some of them live there, and pretty much no white people do aside from park rangers or something.</p>

<p>As for Japanese and Korean, they are unquestionably related to each other, this is really only denied by people who have some kind of stake in the uniqueness of one or both of the ethnic groups. They are also probably related to the larger Altaic group, but split off many thousands of years ago. </p>

<p>Japanese was most likely formed by a mixture of the languages spoken by immigrants from the Korean penninsula over 2000 years ago, speaking one (or more!) of the many extinct languages related to ancient Korean that existed before political unification, and some variant of the Austronesian language family spoken by the earliest inhabitants of Japan.</p>

<p>I took one semester of Korean, and the grammar was so similar to Japanese that I can&#8217;t even conceive of the possibility that they aren&#8217;t related.</p>

<p>Interestingly, the Basque language is a leftover from before the Indo-Europeans invaded Europe.</p>

<p>The colors on Taiwan are definitely a mistake. Whether Taiwanese and Hakka should be considered mere dialects of Chinese or not, they are still part of the Sino-Tibetan language group. I think Taiwan also deserves a splash of the pink, since the 9 surviving native tribes speak languages that the entire Austronesian group is descended from.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: J.Kende</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44605</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Kende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the Euskadi (Basque) region should probably be marked extending a bit further north into France as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the Euskadi (Basque) region should probably be marked extending a bit further north into France as well.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: J.Kende</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44604</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Kende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, above Portugal they speak Gallego. Imagine a mix in culture and  landscape between Spain, Portugal, and Gaelic Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, above Portugal they speak Gallego. Imagine a mix in culture and  landscape between Spain, Portugal, and Gaelic Ireland.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alexander Browne</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44588</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i thought they are further west on top of portugal.&lt;/i&gt;

That is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Galicia&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the color of Hainan is an error. The color, which doesn&#039;t match either Sino-Tibetan or Tai-Kadai, seems to be left over from the  &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Human_Language_Families_Map.PNG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous version&lt;/a&gt; [big image warning], which was changed to harmonize with the Wikipedia language family colors. The same seems to have happened with Malta: Maltese is basically Arabic with lots of Romance vocab and the roman alphabet, but it is pink (ST or Austroasiatic) on this map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>i thought they are further west on top of portugal.</i></p>

<p>That is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)">Galicia</a>.</p>

<p>I think the color of Hainan is an error. The color, which doesn&#8217;t match either Sino-Tibetan or Tai-Kadai, seems to be left over from the  <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Human_Language_Families_Map.PNG">previous version</a> [big image warning], which was changed to harmonize with the Wikipedia language family colors. The same seems to have happened with Malta: Maltese is basically Arabic with lots of Romance vocab and the roman alphabet, but it is pink (ST or Austroasiatic) on this map.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44579</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>asia map (please shink it, if it distorts the webpage)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lhhpaleo.religionstatistics.net/asialang.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.lhhpaleo.religionstatistics.net/asialang.jpg&quot; width=&quot;360&quot; /&gt;

Click to enlarge.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asia map (please shink it, if it distorts the webpage)<br />
<a href="http://www.lhhpaleo.religionstatistics.net/asialang.jpg"><img src="http://www.lhhpaleo.religionstatistics.net/asialang.jpg" width="360" /></a></p>

<p>Click to enlarge.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44576</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah...my mistake. i thought they are further west on top of portugal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah&#8230;my mistake. i thought they are further west on top of portugal.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44573</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely the Basques:

!http://www.raceandhistory.com/worldhotspots/images/basque.gif!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely the Basques:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.raceandhistory.com/worldhotspots/images/basque.gif" alt="" /></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44572</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The distinctive Burmese alphabet consists almost entirely of circles or portions of circles used in various combinations. It evolved at a time when writing was generally done on palm leaves, the letters traced by means of a stylus. Thus straight lines were impossible because they would cause the leaf to split. There are 42 letters in all - 32 consonants and 10 vowels.&quot;:http://thor.prohosting.com/~linguist/burmese.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thor.prohosting.com/~linguist/burmese.htm">The distinctive Burmese alphabet consists almost entirely of circles or portions of circles used in various combinations. It evolved at a time when writing was generally done on palm leaves, the letters traced by means of a stylus. Thus straight lines were impossible because they would cause the leaf to split. There are 42 letters in all &#8211; 32 consonants and 10 vowels.</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44571</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who are the isolate in the westen pyrenees border of france and spain?
it is not the basques</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are the isolate in the westen pyrenees border of france and spain?<br />
it is not the basques</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/02/global-linguistics/comment-page-1/#comment-44568</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be &quot;isolate,&quot; i.e. not related... although Taiwan clearly belongs in the Sino-Tibetan bloc, and as noted in comments above, Korean and Japanese may be Altaic languages.  It&#039;s a controversial topic for linguistics scholars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be &#8220;isolate,&#8221; i.e. not related&#8230; although Taiwan clearly belongs in the Sino-Tibetan bloc, and as noted in comments above, Korean and Japanese may be Altaic languages.  It&#8217;s a controversial topic for linguistics scholars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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