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	<title>Comments on: Hardline Hawk or Unapologetic&#160;Bigot?</title>
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		<title>By: Taro Aso, Japanâ€™s new Prime Minister &#171; tM! MONOGATARI</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-2/#comment-385623</link>
		<dc:creator>Taro Aso, Japanâ€™s new Prime Minister &#171; tM! MONOGATARI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the past that have shocked or offended people. Heâ€™s joked about Alzheimerâ€™s patients, said that members of the burakumin minority are not fit to be Prime Ministers, hinted that an LDP loss could lead to the rise of Nazi-like extremism, and made insensitive [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the past that have shocked or offended people. He&acirc;€™s joked about Alzheimer&acirc;€™s patients, said that members of the burakumin minority are not fit to be Prime Ministers, hinted that an <span class="caps">LDP </span>loss could lead to the rise of Nazi-like extremism, and made insensitive [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Meet Taro Aso, Japan&#8217;s new Prime Minister &#124; Japan Probe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meet Taro Aso, Japan&#8217;s new Prime Minister &#124; Japan Probe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that have shocked or offended people. He&#8217;s joked about Alzheimer&#8217;s patients, said that members of the burakumin minority are not fit to be Prime Ministers, hinted that an LDP loss could lead to the rise of Nazi-like extremism, and made insensitive [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that have shocked or offended people. He&#8217;s joked about Alzheimer&#8217;s patients, said that members of the burakumin minority are not fit to be Prime Ministers, hinted that an <span class="caps">LDP </span>loss could lead to the rise of Nazi-like extremism, and made insensitive [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fukuda Resigns</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fukuda Resigns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An election is due within the next six months. The heir apparent is a rather kooky and quirky bigot (thanks for reminding me of my own words [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An election is due within the next six months. The heir apparent is a rather kooky and quirky bigot (thanks for reminding me of my own words [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Get a Load of This Aso.</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Get a Load of This Aso.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Curzon at Coming AnarchyÂ isn&#8217;t much of a fan, either.Â  But keep it inÂ perspective, fellow bloggers.Â  As long as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Curzon at Coming Anarchy&Acirc;&nbsp;isn&#8217;t much of a fan, either.&Acirc;&nbsp; But keep it in&Acirc;&nbsp;perspective, fellow bloggers.&Acirc;&nbsp; As long as [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Acorn &#187; Prioritising Japan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Acorn &#187; Prioritising Japan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shinzo Abe, who many people believe will succeed Junichiro Koizumi as prime minister of Japan, put it very correctly. Not only do India and Japan have common interests, they are also generally well-disposed towards each other. Yet, the pace at which the bilateral relationship has grown leaves much to be desired. Fortunately he has clearly declared an interest in putting relations with India on a more important track. &#8220;We need not only to look at Japan-China relations but also to have a bird&#8217;s-eye view of the whole of Asia or the world when we engage in diplomacy with Asian nations,&#8221; he told the public broadcaster NHK on Sunday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shinzo Abe, who many people believe will succeed Junichiro Koizumi as prime minister of Japan, put it very correctly. Not only do India and Japan have common interests, they are also generally well-disposed towards each other. Yet, the pace at which the bilateral relationship has grown leaves much to be desired. Fortunately he has clearly declared an interest in putting relations with India on a more important track. &#8220;We need not only to look at Japan-China relations but also to have a bird&#8217;s-eye view of the whole of Asia or the world when we engage in diplomacy with Asian nations,&#8221; he told the public broadcaster <span class="caps">NHK </span>on Sunday. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-2/#comment-54727</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aso has a &quot;speech&quot;:http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/12/speech-of-day-asian-strategy-as-i-see.html

I think Curzon should volunteer to help him write it in the future. It looks like babelfish/google automatically translated text from Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aso has a <a href="http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/12/speech-of-day-asian-strategy-as-i-see.html">speech</a></p>

<p>I think Curzon should volunteer to help him write it in the future. It looks like babelfish/google automatically translated text from Japanese.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutant Frog Travelogue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shinzo Abe, barbarian-defeating shogun?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutant Frog Travelogue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Shinzo Abe, barbarian-defeating shogun?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Chief Cabinet Secretary position, a combination of press secretary and chief of staff, gives Abe an excellent platform to become even more well-known to the people (many CCSes have gone on to become prime ministers, most recently the late Keizo Obuchi). But he shouldn&#8217;t need too much help: he&#8217;s already way ahead of the field in opinion polls. Abe has been getting some blogger support too: Lord Curzon is a longtime fan, for one. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Chief Cabinet Secretary position, a combination of press secretary and chief of staff, gives Abe an excellent platform to become even more well-known to the people (many <span class="caps">CCS</span>es have gone on to become prime ministers, most recently the late Keizo Obuchi). But he shouldn&#8217;t need too much help: he&#8217;s already way ahead of the field in opinion polls. Abe has been getting some blogger support too: Lord Curzon is a longtime fan, for one. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-2/#comment-44703</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably unrelated question.

Why does Japan want US soldiers to move back to Guam, and paying $3bn to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably unrelated question.</p>

<p>Why does Japan want US soldiers to move back to Guam, and paying $3bn to do so?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-2/#comment-44574</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe is indeed the overwhelming favorite.  From the &quot;Asahi:&quot;:http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200511020232.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;Abe won the support of 33 percent of respondents to the telephone survey conducted on randomly selected voters from Monday night through Tuesday... Trailing far behind was Foreign Minister Taro Aso, at 5 percent, followed by Seiji Maehara, head of opposition Minshuto (Democratic Party of Japan), with 3 percent. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe is indeed the overwhelming favorite.  From the <a href="http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200511020232.html">Asahi:</a></p>

<blockquote>Abe won the support of 33 percent of respondents to the telephone survey conducted on randomly selected voters from Monday night through Tuesday&#8230; Trailing far behind was Foreign Minister Taro Aso, at 5 percent, followed by Seiji Maehara, head of opposition Minshuto (Democratic Party of Japan), with 3 percent. </blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44483</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found Shinzo Abe&#039;s real life doppelganger... CLASSIC JON ARBUCKLE:

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found Shinzo Abe&#8217;s real life doppelganger&#8230; <span class="caps">CLASSIC JON ARBUCKLE</span>:</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44374</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, as promised, here are the &quot;new changes to Xinjiang/Stans border maps&quot;:http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/11/map-no-more-border-dispute-between.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">OK, </span>as promised, here are the <a href="http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/11/map-no-more-border-dispute-between.html">new changes to Xinjiang/Stans border maps</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44373</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lirelou,

yes, you are right.

if you have been in beijing, you can see these guards standing outside the various embassies, throughout the winter. I am sure they are recruited from the villages and not highly educated.

but there is also possibility they received explicit instruction to block refugee entrance at all cost, as some might speculate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lirelou,</p>

<p>yes, you are right.</p>

<p>if you have been in beijing, you can see these guards standing outside the various embassies, throughout the winter. I am sure they are recruited from the villages and not highly educated.</p>

<p>but there is also possibility they received explicit instruction to block refugee entrance at all cost, as some might speculate.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44355</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin. I must partially defend you on one point. Mistaken violations of international law can happen among low ranking members of a nation&#039;s security forces. During the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama (whether or not we like the word, it did topple a government), a U.S. patrol forced itself into the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama City. The Nicaraguans protested, U.S. authorities reminded their troops of international law, and shhrugged the incident off. In the case of China, however, the security personnel that forced their way onto Korean diplomatic soil were personnel who by nature of their duties (security around diplomatic compounds) should have known that the territory inside the gate was legally Korean soil, and that they had no jurisdiction there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin. I must partially defend you on one point. Mistaken violations of international law can happen among low ranking members of a nation&#8217;s security forces. During the 1989 <span class="caps">U.S. </span>invasion of Panama (whether or not we like the word, it did topple a government), a <span class="caps">U.S. </span>patrol forced itself into the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama City. The Nicaraguans protested, <span class="caps">U.S. </span>authorities reminded their troops of international law, and shhrugged the incident off. In the case of China, however, the security personnel that forced their way onto Korean diplomatic soil were personnel who by nature of their duties (security around diplomatic compounds) should have known that the territory inside the gate was legally Korean soil, and that they had no jurisdiction there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44352</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lirelou, yes that is true, too. divert vietnam&#039;s force from cambodia. though it was already too late.

but you can&#039;t just invade another country just because they invaded another country. PRC did not have that sort of treaty with Cambodia.

i can try to defend all other armed conflict China was involved, with some justification, but not this one.

some in china (eg Liu Yazhou) said it was a proof Deng demonstrated to the US (right after his visiting US) that China is breaking away from the Soviet Block, and in exchange, the West would help with China&#039;s reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lirelou, yes that is true, too. divert vietnam&#8217;s force from cambodia. though it was already too late.</p>

<p>but you can&#8217;t just invade another country just because they invaded another country. <span class="caps">PRC </span>did not have that sort of treaty with Cambodia.</p>

<p>i can try to defend all other armed conflict China was involved, with some justification, but not this one.</p>

<p>some in china (eg Liu Yazhou) said it was a proof Deng demonstrated to the US (right after his visiting US) that China is breaking away from the Soviet Block, and in exchange, the West would help with China&#8217;s reform.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44349</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin. Not to nitpick, but the 1979 Chinese &quot;invasion&quot; of Vietnam was more in the line of a punitive expedition and not a full blown, all out invasion of the country. It had a limited purpose, that of punishing Vietnam for the overthrow of China&#039;s client Pol Pot government in Cambodia, as evidenced by the size and composition of the force. That they grossly underestimated the will and capabilities of the Vietnamese Armed Forces is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin. Not to nitpick, but the 1979 Chinese &#8220;invasion&#8221; of Vietnam was more in the line of a punitive expedition and not a full blown, all out invasion of the country. It had a limited purpose, that of punishing Vietnam for the overthrow of China&#8217;s client Pol Pot government in Cambodia, as evidenced by the size and composition of the force. That they grossly underestimated the will and capabilities of the Vietnamese Armed Forces is another matter.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44342</link>
		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah...great east asian war:) fortunately that is not going to happen.

you can villianize china as much as you like. but whatever they did in the past, they are learning to play by the rule of international community. there is still the nasty N Korea, which is going to be a problem for both SK and China (but not a problem for Japan, instead NK provides a good excuse for japan to re-arm)

the fact is that there are more business interests that tie these 3 countries(Chn, SK, Jpn) together.

with recent development in japan, china and korea will move closer together, no one can change this (except, maybe koizumi, but he is not going to)

don&#039;t fancy conflict between korea and china, it is not going to happen. not until japan behaves responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah&#8230;great east asian war:) fortunately that is not going to happen.</p>

<p>you can villianize china as much as you like. but whatever they did in the past, they are learning to play by the rule of international community. there is still the nasty N Korea, which is going to be a problem for both SK and China (but not a problem for Japan, instead NK provides a good excuse for japan to re-arm)</p>

<p>the fact is that there are more business interests that tie these 3 countries(Chn, <span class="caps">SK,</span> Jpn) together.</p>

<p>with recent development in japan, china and korea will move closer together, no one can change this (except, maybe koizumi, but he is not going to)</p>

<p>don&#8217;t fancy conflict between korea and china, it is not going to happen. not until japan behaves responsibly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, please villainize the Chinese authorities. They are villains, but it seems everyone wants to pretend otherwise: Koreans, Americans, many Taiwanese, Japanese, etc. 

What they did at the Japanese and South Korean missions those past weeks underscores probably better than anything else exactly how they view those two neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, please villainize the Chinese authorities. They are villains, but it seems everyone wants to pretend otherwise: Koreans, Americans, many Taiwanese, Japanese, etc. </p>

<p>What they did at the Japanese and South Korean missions those past weeks underscores probably better than anything else exactly how they view those two neighbors.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44332</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin,
Very good quotes and a bit less damning than I thought at the time, but my main point was that China is heavy handed with SK and gets away with it currently, that may not be the case in the future.  Did China ever appologize, I could not find it in any of the links, yours or mine.  I don&#039;t even want to get into the Koguryo issues.
Kushibo,
Yes, it is possible that it was an erroneous first report I saw. No, I do not have any links it did not occur to me at the time to write them down.  Once again, my original point was not to villianize the Chinese or squable over small points, just to show they often do not play nice.  I could make a long list but I think no one here wants to be knee deep in Kimchi, if you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin,<br />
Very good quotes and a bit less damning than I thought at the time, but my main point was that China is heavy handed with SK and gets away with it currently, that may not be the case in the future.  Did China ever appologize, I could not find it in any of the links, yours or mine.  I don&#8217;t even want to get into the Koguryo issues.<br />
Kushibo,<br />
Yes, it is possible that it was an erroneous first report I saw. No, I do not have any links it did not occur to me at the time to write them down.  Once again, my original point was not to villianize the Chinese or squable over small points, just to show they often do not play nice.  I could make a long list but I think no one here wants to be knee deep in Kimchi, if you know what I mean.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44326</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavlov,
&lt;b&gt;Sun Bin,
I am not so sure you can easily dismiss the consulate invasion. That is a violation of international law, as is assaulting the staff.&lt;/b&gt;
No, you can&#039;t. It was very serious. Nearly the same incident the week before at the Japanese mission (bewildered and clearly surprised Japanese mission staff stood by in shock as the Chinese police ran in and pulled out the North Koreans; the next day Japanese authorities demanded &quot;our North Koreans&quot; back). 

&lt;b&gt;Kushibo,
I could not find a link to the appology, I saw it on TV and mentioned it to some of my Korean friends as being odd. They were all quite embarrassed. The next day, ChangWaDae clarrified that they expressed &quot;regret&quot;Ã‚? over the incident. In this aspect they stepped away from an outright apology, still you have to admit, it is very un-Korean.&lt;/b&gt;
Is it possible someone was not misunderstanding the reporting of the incident? I do NOT recall South Korea apologizing for this (and they would have nothing to apologize about), and more important, had they actually done that, the fallout from kowtowing to China over something like that would be felt even today. 

I remain incredulous about that version you present, and the articles sun bin is presenting seem more in line with my memory of what happened. 

Both Japan and South Korea experienced the same incursion by Chinese police over the space of a week. It underscores for all to see how the Chinese view their neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavlov,<br />
<b>Sun Bin,<br />
I am not so sure you can easily dismiss the consulate invasion. That is a violation of international law, as is assaulting the staff.</b><br />
No, you can&#8217;t. It was very serious. Nearly the same incident the week before at the Japanese mission (bewildered and clearly surprised Japanese mission staff stood by in shock as the Chinese police ran in and pulled out the North Koreans; the next day Japanese authorities demanded &#8220;our North Koreans&#8221; back). </p>

<p><b>Kushibo,<br />
I could not find a link to the appology, I saw it on TV and mentioned it to some of my Korean friends as being odd. They were all quite embarrassed. The next day, ChangWaDae clarrified that they expressed &#8220;regret&#8221;&Atilde;‚? over the incident. In this aspect they stepped away from an outright apology, still you have to admit, it is very un-Korean.</b><br />
Is it possible someone was not misunderstanding the reporting of the incident? I do <span class="caps">NOT </span>recall South Korea apologizing for this (and they would have nothing to apologize about), and more important, had they actually done that, the fallout from kowtowing to China over something like that would be felt even today. </p>

<p>I remain incredulous about that version you present, and the articles sun bin is presenting seem more in line with my memory of what happened. </p>

<p>Both Japan and South Korea experienced the same incursion by Chinese police over the space of a week. It underscores for all to see how the Chinese view their neighbors.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44325</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and from &quot;smc&quot;:http://www.smc.org.ph/amnews/amn020615/northeast/korea020615.htm

&quot;On 13 June, a ten-year old (or 15-year or 13-year) boy entered the South Korean consulate. The boy&#039;s father was dragged out of the building by security guards and then taken away by paramilitary police.  The South Korean government accused Chinese security guards of entering the South Korean consulate in Beijing without permission, and hauling the North Korean asylum seeker away.  A South Korean diplomat (or two diplomats and a journalist according to other reports) was/were injured during the scuffle. The Korean government immediately lodged a protest with the Chinese Foreign Ministry, saying the incident was a grave violation of South Korea&#039;s sovereignty and demanded that Beijing hand over the detained defector.  On the other hand, China blamed the diplomats who scuffled with the police. The incident is expected to worsen the tension between South Korea and China.&quot;

the description differs a little. but it talks about both sides of the story and about a formal protest by the korean.

it seems that it was the overzealous embassy guard (or given specific order to prevent refugee entering) was &quot;doing his job&quot; or &quot;putting a show on N Korea&quot;.

again, this kinds of thing can escalate between hostile country, but can also settle easily.

are you sure you heard korea apologized (not china apologized)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and from <a href="http://www.smc.org.ph/amnews/amn020615/northeast/korea020615.htm">smc</a></p>

<p>&#8220;On 13 June, a ten-year old (or 15-year or 13-year) boy entered the South Korean consulate. The boy&#8217;s father was dragged out of the building by security guards and then taken away by paramilitary police.  The South Korean government accused Chinese security guards of entering the South Korean consulate in Beijing without permission, and hauling the North Korean asylum seeker away.  A South Korean diplomat (or two diplomats and a journalist according to other reports) was/were injured during the scuffle. The Korean government immediately lodged a protest with the Chinese Foreign Ministry, saying the incident was a grave violation of South Korea&#8217;s sovereignty and demanded that Beijing hand over the detained defector.  On the other hand, China blamed the diplomats who scuffled with the police. The incident is expected to worsen the tension between South Korea and China.&#8221;</p>

<p>the description differs a little. but it talks about both sides of the story and about a formal protest by the korean.</p>

<p>it seems that it was the overzealous embassy guard (or given specific order to prevent refugee entering) was &#8220;doing his job&#8221; or &#8220;putting a show on N Korea&#8221;.</p>

<p>again, this kinds of thing can escalate between hostile country, but can also settle easily.</p>

<p>are you sure you heard korea apologized (not china apologized)?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44324</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with so many google ranked human rights websites it is hard to find MSM reporting of the event :)

so here is what i got from &quot;businessweek&quot;:http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2002/nf20020620_5862.htm

&quot;FORMAL PROTEST.  Something significant is happening here this summer, even if the world doesn&#039;t fully realize it yet. On top of disaffected peasant farmers and angry domestic workers, China now has to deal with a growing North Korean refugee crisis. Nineteen North Koreans have been granted shelter in South Korea&#039;s Beijing embassy. It would have been 20, except that Chinese authorities recently entered the embassy and removed a 56-year-old North Korean who had been inside with his son. 

Press reports say the invasion turned into a scrum, with Chinese police beating a South Korean embassy employee as well as a local Chinese woman who worked at the legation. Seoul filed a formal protest with the Chinese ambassador in Korea -- an action it usually tries to avoid. &quot;

It seems Korean filed a serious preotest on the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with so many google ranked human rights websites it is hard to find <span class="caps">MSM </span>reporting of the event :)</p>

<p>so here is what i got from <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2002/nf20020620_5862.htm">businessweek</a></p>

<p>&#8220;FORMAL <span class="caps">PROTEST. </span> Something significant is happening here this summer, even if the world doesn&#8217;t fully realize it yet. On top of disaffected peasant farmers and angry domestic workers, China now has to deal with a growing North Korean refugee crisis. Nineteen North Koreans have been granted shelter in South Korea&#8217;s Beijing embassy. It would have been 20, except that Chinese authorities recently entered the embassy and removed a 56-year-old North Korean who had been inside with his son. </p>

<p>Press reports say the invasion turned into a scrum, with Chinese police beating a South Korean embassy employee as well as a local Chinese woman who worked at the legation. Seoul filed a formal protest with the Chinese ambassador in Korea &#8212; an action it usually tries to avoid. &#8220;</p>

<p>It seems Korean filed a serious preotest on the event.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sun bin</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44323</link>
		<dc:creator>sun bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not know the facts and i cannot dismiss something i do not know:)
i was just trying to find some plausible reason to explain why the Koreans were not as put off as what you would have anticipated.

it comes down to whether the 2 govts are in amicable relationship  and trust each other.

e.g. China protest on US bombing the Belgrade embassy. But had it been the Israel or British emabssy that was bomed. It might have been resolved a lot more amicably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not know the facts and i cannot dismiss something i do not know:)<br />
i was just trying to find some plausible reason to explain why the Koreans were not as put off as what you would have anticipated.</p>

<p>it comes down to whether the 2 govts are in amicable relationship  and trust each other.</p>

<p>e.g. China protest on US bombing the Belgrade embassy. But had it been the Israel or British emabssy that was bomed. It might have been resolved a lot more amicably.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pavlov3</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44300</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Bin,
I am not so sure you can easily dismiss the consulate invasion.  That is a violation of international law, as is assaulting the staff.
Kushibo,
I could not find a link to the appology, I saw it on TV and mentioned it to some of my Korean friends as being odd.  They were all quite embarrassed.  The next day, ChangWaDae clarrified that they expressed &quot;regret&quot; over the incident.  In this aspect they stepped away from an outright apology, still you have to admit, it is very un-Korean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Bin,<br />
I am not so sure you can easily dismiss the consulate invasion.  That is a violation of international law, as is assaulting the staff.<br />
Kushibo,<br />
I could not find a link to the appology, I saw it on TV and mentioned it to some of my Korean friends as being odd.  They were all quite embarrassed.  The next day, ChangWaDae clarrified that they expressed &#8220;regret&#8221; over the incident.  In this aspect they stepped away from an outright apology, still you have to admit, it is very un-Korean.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/11/01/hardline-hawk-or-unapologetic-bigot/comment-page-1/#comment-44244</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of me wonders if the Aso selection is just to make Abe look moderate by comparison...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of me wonders if the Aso selection is just to make Abe look moderate by comparison&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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