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		<title>By: matthewstinson.net &#187; Of zealots and vultures</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewstinson.net &#187; Of zealots and vultures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8230;and abroad (h/t ComingAnarchy), from the German environmental minister&#8230; Apparently the Americans had it coming: &#8220;The American president has closed his eyes to the economic and human damage that natural catastrophes such as Katrina &#8212; in other words, disasters caused by a lack of climate protection measures &#8212; can visit on his country.&#8221; Who wrote this? None other than JÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¼rgen Trittin, Germany&#8217;s minister of the environment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;and abroad (h/t ComingAnarchy), from the German environmental minister&#8230; Apparently the Americans had it coming: &#8220;The American president has closed his eyes to the economic and human damage that natural catastrophes such as Katrina &#8212; in other words, disasters caused by a lack of climate protection measures &#8212; can visit on his country.&#8221; Who wrote this? None other than J&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&frac14;rgen Trittin, Germany&#8217;s minister of the environment. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: matthewstinson.net</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/09/01/kicking-victims-when-theyre-down/comment-page-1/#comment-23112</link>
		<dc:creator>matthewstinson.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Of zealots and vultures&lt;/strong&gt;

	Color me unsurprised that fringe Christian groups operating in the mode of Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell see in Katrina the hand of an avenging God.  Repent America, which I&#8217;ve never heard of, and will probably never hear of again, has issued th...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Of zealots and vultures</strong></p>

<p>	Color me unsurprised that fringe Christian groups operating in the mode of Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell see in Katrina the hand of an avenging God.  Repent America, which I&#8217;ve never heard of, and will probably never hear of again, has issued th&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/09/01/kicking-victims-when-theyre-down/comment-page-1/#comment-22880</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course everyone is guilty of a slip of the tongue now and again, but your examples (the &quot;do you have blacks&quot; is apochryphal) aren&#039;t comparable. Making a silly statement under normal circumstances and publically attacking the president after the worst natural disaster in decades is completely different. The situation here is the important factor, not to mention that the ones you mention aren&#039;t attacks from politicians with radical agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course everyone is guilty of a slip of the tongue now and again, but your examples (the &#8220;do you have blacks&#8221; is apochryphal) aren&#8217;t comparable. Making a silly statement under normal circumstances and publically attacking the president after the worst natural disaster in decades is completely different. The situation here is the important factor, not to mention that the ones you mention aren&#8217;t attacks from politicians with radical agendas.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;re a lot of people who make remarks without thinking twice about it. Lot of times it&#039;s from the wrong people, about the wrong subject, at the wrong time in a wrong way. On higher level, i.e. executive branch level, you still have nevertheless people who make statements they rather shouldn&#039;t have. Not to minimize the error and harm done, but just to look at it from another angle...

Clinton to Chancellor Kohl
&quot;I was thinking of you last night, Helmut, because I watched the sumo
wrestling on television.&quot;
http://www.gargaro.com/clintonquotes.html

Bush to Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso
&quot;Do you have blacks, too?&quot;
http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/bushisms/
http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/

I&#039;m not getting further into Bushisms,  it&#039;s just that if you really pick up statements like that of Trittin and call for apologies, previous commentators joyfully tune in, bashing and revealing their lack of understanding of political (Cirby) and economic interrelations (Ron Patterson obviously forgot American companies were the first who were hit when everybody called for a boycott of French goods two years ago). Foreign Minister Fischer and Chancellor SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der did the right in this case, confirming the close ties and support for the people in distress, rather than keeping themselves with contraproductive comments from the Minister of Environment. McClellan and others wouldn&#039;t do much else than correcting and apologizing for the executive slips of tongue, either... ;-)

If I take a look at the &quot;German Ministry of Environment&#039;s website&quot;:http://www.bmu.de/allgemein/aktuell/160.php , I see an appeal for funds to help Louisiana. That&#039;s what counts to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;re a lot of people who make remarks without thinking twice about it. Lot of times it&#8217;s from the wrong people, about the wrong subject, at the wrong time in a wrong way. On higher level, i.e. executive branch level, you still have nevertheless people who make statements they rather shouldn&#8217;t have. Not to minimize the error and harm done, but just to look at it from another angle&#8230;</p>

<p>Clinton to Chancellor Kohl<br />
&#8220;I was thinking of you last night, Helmut, because I watched the sumo<br />
wrestling on television.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.gargaro.com/clintonquotes.html">http://www.gargaro.com/clintonquotes.html</a></p>

<p>Bush to Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso<br />
&#8220;Do you have blacks, too?&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/bushisms/">http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/bushisms/</a><br />
<a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/">http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/</a></p>

<p>I&#8217;m not getting further into Bushisms,  it&#8217;s just that if you really pick up statements like that of Trittin and call for apologies, previous commentators joyfully tune in, bashing and revealing their lack of understanding of political (Cirby) and economic interrelations (Ron Patterson obviously forgot American companies were the first who were hit when everybody called for a boycott of French goods two years ago). Foreign Minister Fischer and Chancellor Schr&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;der did the right in this case, confirming the close ties and support for the people in distress, rather than keeping themselves with contraproductive comments from the Minister of Environment. McClellan and others wouldn&#8217;t do much else than correcting and apologizing for the executive slips of tongue, either&#8230; ;-)</p>

<p>If I take a look at the <a href="http://www.bmu.de/allgemein/aktuell/160.php">German Ministry of Environment&#8217;s website</a> , I see an appeal for funds to help Louisiana. That&#8217;s what counts to me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grendel: First of all, the article I linked to was a response to the Minister&#039;s statement as when I blogged this, the original statement had already been linked to a million times. And you&#039;ll note, I did spefically say it was the environmental minister and NOT the government itself. I wasn&#039;t even implying that anywhere.

Secondly, I agree comparing Trittin to Hitler is ridiculous. I don&#039;t take anyone seriously who makes such outrageous statements. And I agree with you, that&#039;s the kind of blind right wing nonsense the Davids Medienkritik people like to spit out. 

The point here is that Schroeder or Fischer should have come out and apologized for what Tritin said since Trittin wouldn&#039;t and only repeated it. Of course the Chancellor woulnd&#039;t say anything so ridiculous (usually) but he represents his coutnry and government and shouldn&#039;t allow an idiot like that to make public statements that were immediately picked up all over America. Trittin should be at least publically reprimanded if not fired. 

&lt;i&gt; Mr Trittin doesn&#039;t know much about international politics and diplomacy.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, it shows. Get rid of him or at least shut him up =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grendel: First of all, the article I linked to was a response to the Minister&#8217;s statement as when I blogged this, the original statement had already been linked to a million times. And you&#8217;ll note, I did spefically say it was the environmental minister and <span class="caps">NOT </span>the government itself. I wasn&#8217;t even implying that anywhere.</p>

<p>Secondly, I agree comparing Trittin to Hitler is ridiculous. I don&#8217;t take anyone seriously who makes such outrageous statements. And I agree with you, that&#8217;s the kind of blind right wing nonsense the Davids Medienkritik people like to spit out. </p>

<p>The point here is that Schroeder or Fischer should have come out and apologized for what Tritin said since Trittin wouldn&#8217;t and only repeated it. Of course the Chancellor woulnd&#8217;t say anything so ridiculous (usually) but he represents his coutnry and government and shouldn&#8217;t allow an idiot like that to make public statements that were immediately picked up all over America. Trittin should be at least publically reprimanded if not fired. </p>

<p><i> Mr Trittin doesn&#8217;t know much about international politics and diplomacy.</i></p>

<p>Yeah, it shows. Get rid of him or at least shut him up =)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirol, when reporting about Germany, especially what the government has to say about other countries, you should better look to the foreign ministry than to the ministry of environment. Mr Trittin doesn&#039;t know much about international politics and diplomacy. Anyway, your report is completely out of balance and doesn&#039;t tell half the story - even more, you&#039;re mixing topics and hopping from one to the other. A point I absolutely agree to is that right now, immediate help and sympathy is crucial, not name-calling. 

The foreign ministry is the official place to look to in any case. So, what did the foreign ministry had to say to the US in the last few days?

&quot;Information Services&quot;:http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/consular_services/Hurricane_Katrina_2005.html

&quot;press release September 1st&quot;:http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01b_05.htm

&quot;chancellor SchrÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶der&quot;:http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01_05.htm

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The citizens of the United States should know that Germany is truly and firmly at their side&quot;Ã‚?&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;foreign minister Fischer&quot;:http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01a_05.htm

In case the last link&#039;s content is too short, here&#039;s an excerpt from the German foreign ministry newsletter:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Mit Trauer und Entsetzen habe ich die verheerenden ZerstÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶rungen des Hurrikans Katrina in Louisiana, Mississippi und Alabama und den anderen betroffenen Gebieten verfolgt. Unsere Gedanken sind bei den AngehÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶rigen der zahlreichen Opfer, den vielen Verletzten sowie allen Menschen, die ihr Heim verloren haben oder um AngehÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶rige und Freunde bangen. Unsere SolidaritÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¤t muss den betroffenen Menschen gelten.
Den Helferinnen und Helfern vor Ort wÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¼nsche ich viel Kraft und DurchhaltevermÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶gen. Die Bundesregierung ist zu jedweder Hilfeleistung und UnterstÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¼tzung bereit, um dieser entsetzlichen Naturkatastrophe Herr zu werden bzw. deren Folgen zu beseitigen.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I guess that writing about these statements the first six commentators wouldn&#039;t have much to complain about, but then, well, it&#039;s the desired target audience, let&#039;s make them happy. The connection from Trittin to Hitler?  Would have expected that to read something like that over at David&#039;s Medienkritik, but not here.

Isn&#039;t it strange how leaving out major parts of a story can distort it as much as in the initial posting? Chirol, I don&#039;t think you did it intentionally, but your own expectations led to the result above.

About the &quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_protocol&quot;:Kyoto protocol, although I understand the arguments of opposing countries, I guess you&#039;d agree that international cooperation is neccessary to address climate change and pollution. How it&#039;s done or should be is another matter, as you wrote, the debate is still ongoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol, when reporting about Germany, especially what the government has to say about other countries, you should better look to the foreign ministry than to the ministry of environment. Mr Trittin doesn&#8217;t know much about international politics and diplomacy. Anyway, your report is completely out of balance and doesn&#8217;t tell half the story &#8211; even more, you&#8217;re mixing topics and hopping from one to the other. A point I absolutely agree to is that right now, immediate help and sympathy is crucial, not name-calling. </p>

<p>The foreign ministry is the official place to look to in any case. So, what did the foreign ministry had to say to the US in the last few days?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/consular_services/Hurricane_Katrina_2005.html">Information Services</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01b_05.htm">press release September 1st</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01_05.htm">chancellor Schr&amp;Atilde;ƒ&amp;AElig;’&amp;Atilde;‚&amp;Acirc;&para;der</a></p>

<p><i>&#8220;The citizens of the United States should know that Germany is truly and firmly at their side&#8221;&Atilde;‚?</i></p>

<p><a href="http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/press/releases/pr_09_01a_05.htm">foreign minister Fischer</a></p>

<p>In case the last link&#8217;s content is too short, here&#8217;s an excerpt from the German foreign ministry newsletter:</p>

<p><i>&#8220;Mit Trauer und Entsetzen habe ich die verheerenden Zerst&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;rungen des Hurrikans Katrina in Louisiana, Mississippi und Alabama und den anderen betroffenen Gebieten verfolgt. Unsere Gedanken sind bei den Angeh&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;rigen der zahlreichen Opfer, den vielen Verletzten sowie allen Menschen, die ihr Heim verloren haben oder um Angeh&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;rige und Freunde bangen. Unsere Solidarit&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&curren;t muss den betroffenen Menschen gelten.<br />
Den Helferinnen und Helfern vor Ort w&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&frac14;nsche ich viel Kraft und Durchhalteverm&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&para;gen. Die Bundesregierung ist zu jedweder Hilfeleistung und Unterst&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&frac14;tzung bereit, um dieser entsetzlichen Naturkatastrophe Herr zu werden bzw. deren Folgen zu beseitigen.&#8221;</i></p>

<p>I guess that writing about these statements the first six commentators wouldn&#8217;t have much to complain about, but then, well, it&#8217;s the desired target audience, let&#8217;s make them happy. The connection from Trittin to Hitler?  Would have expected that to read something like that over at David&#8217;s Medienkritik, but not here.</p>

<p>Isn&#8217;t it strange how leaving out major parts of a story can distort it as much as in the initial posting? Chirol, I don&#8217;t think you did it intentionally, but your own expectations led to the result above.</p>

<p>About the <a href="http://Kyoto">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_protocol</a> protocol, although I understand the arguments of opposing countries, I guess you&#8217;d agree that international cooperation is neccessary to address climate change and pollution. How it&#8217;s done or should be is another matter, as you wrote, the debate is still ongoing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: J.Kende</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.Kende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with Snow, Curzon, and CW here.... I just need to point out that it isn&#039;t _everyone_ involved in nonprofit and education work that has no concept of money. Just well over 90%...

I&#039;m involved in work with both, among other things, and it&#039;s terrible seeing up close how much wealth is just wasted and destroyed by those who have no concept of math or economics. They generally just don&#039;t have a basic understanding of the science of things, or of how creating wealth actually works or what it is, and so instead make up social theories to believe in to make themselves &quot;smart&quot; and &quot;educated&quot;. 

There is a trend in nonprofit and education work towards entrepreneurship models, using profit driven methods to achieve civic goals... But it is a constant struggle against those who would rather stagnate and make an ideology of their stagnation. 

As with Germany and Environmentalists, they often care little for actual results or objective analysis of data, but rather are in it just to advance their own group cause, science be damned. 

On Kyoto: it has always been a terrible plan. Methane is a bigger concern than CO2, increasing national wealth in the form of a growing middle class (and in America, _everyone_ is middle class in the true sense of the term) does more to improve environmental conditions than any other indicator, and the real measurement of environmental progress comes from putting resources into efforts that gain substantial and world changing results -- as the Copenhagen Consensus discusses at length. Kyoto fails at all three of those, while &quot;succeeding&quot; only in limiting economic growth, and therefore limiting the resources we have to use in fighting environmental threats. 

It&#039;s insanity in the form of social, economic, and foreign policy all balled into one. But when dealing with the people who advocate it... what else is new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Snow, Curzon, and CW here&#8230;. I just need to point out that it isn&#8217;t <em>everyone</em> involved in nonprofit and education work that has no concept of money. Just well over 90%&#8230;</p>

<p>I&#8217;m involved in work with both, among other things, and it&#8217;s terrible seeing up close how much wealth is just wasted and destroyed by those who have no concept of math or economics. They generally just don&#8217;t have a basic understanding of the science of things, or of how creating wealth actually works or what it is, and so instead make up social theories to believe in to make themselves &#8220;smart&#8221; and &#8220;educated&#8221;. </p>

<p>There is a trend in nonprofit and education work towards entrepreneurship models, using profit driven methods to achieve civic goals&#8230; But it is a constant struggle against those who would rather stagnate and make an ideology of their stagnation. </p>

<p>As with Germany and Environmentalists, they often care little for actual results or objective analysis of data, but rather are in it just to advance their own group cause, science be damned. </p>

<p>On Kyoto: it has always been a terrible plan. Methane is a bigger concern than <span class="caps">CO2, </span>increasing national wealth in the form of a growing middle class (and in America, <em>everyone</em> is middle class in the true sense of the term) does more to improve environmental conditions than any other indicator, and the real measurement of environmental progress comes from putting resources into efforts that gain substantial and world changing results &#8212; as the Copenhagen Consensus discusses at length. Kyoto fails at all three of those, while &#8220;succeeding&#8221; only in limiting economic growth, and therefore limiting the resources we have to use in fighting environmental threats. </p>

<p>It&#8217;s insanity in the form of social, economic, and foreign policy all balled into one. But when dealing with the people who advocate it&#8230; what else is new?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US needs to pull our troops out of Germany.

Now.

Not next week, not next year.

Since they dislike us so much, they should be glad to see us leave (and take our greenhouse gas creating tanks and planes and millions of dollars per year with us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US needs to pull our troops out of Germany.</p>

<p>Now.</p>

<p>Not next week, not next year.</p>

<p>Since they dislike us so much, they should be glad to see us leave (and take our greenhouse gas creating tanks and planes and millions of dollars per year with us).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chief Wiggum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Wiggum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard that the average global temperature will rise 3 degrees celsius by the end of this century if the Kyoto goals are not met.  If the Kyoto goals _are_ met, the temperature will only increase 2.86 degrees.

Why do the Germans love to dump on the United States?  They are tired of being shackled to their Nazi past, and of being the poster child for the worst behavior of mankind.  I think there is a deliberate attempt by the krauts to make the U.S. the new international bad guy, to get Germany off the hook as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard that the average global temperature will rise 3 degrees celsius by the end of this century if the Kyoto goals are not met.  If the Kyoto goals <em>are</em> met, the temperature will only increase 2.86 degrees.</p>

<p>Why do the Germans love to dump on the United States?  They are tired of being shackled to their Nazi past, and of being the poster child for the worst behavior of mankind.  I think there is a deliberate attempt by the krauts to make the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>the new international bad guy, to get Germany off the hook as it were.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snow makes an important point there about where the Left wants to put its cash resources.  These people are blowing their tops over the cost of Iraq -- &lt;em&gt;we could have asked 2,144,876 PHDs to cure cancer, AIDS, and malaria! we could have spent $53,621 on every Palestinian refugee! &lt;/em&gt;-- but have no idea how much more Kyoto would cost us.  And that these alternatives are cited just show how much these people don&#039;t understand resource allocation and money management.  

Part of this reason is that most on the Far Left are not involved in making money -- they&#039;re involved in non-profit or education where the bottom line is not important.  Once people start to make money they tend to become more realistic, and, dare I say it, conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow makes an important point there about where the Left wants to put its cash resources.  These people are blowing their tops over the cost of Iraq &#8212; <em>we could have asked 2,144,876 <span class="caps">PHD</span>s to cure cancer, <span class="caps">AIDS, </span>and malaria! we could have spent $53,621 on every Palestinian refugee! </em>&#8211; but have no idea how much more Kyoto would cost us.  And that these alternatives are cited just show how much these people don&#8217;t understand resource allocation and money management.  </p>

<p>Part of this reason is that most on the Far Left are not involved in making money &#8212; they&#8217;re involved in non-profit or education where the bottom line is not important.  Once people start to make money they tend to become more realistic, and, dare I say it, conservative.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get tired of hearing the Kyoto Protocol party line. Sure, global warming exists and may be causing many of these weather-related problems in the world. The problem with Kyoto is that it won&#039;t accomplish much or anything at all. It&#039;s a non-solution.

What&#039;s the use of signing on to a totally useless and ineffective plan? One doesn&#039;t have to deny that global warming exists to believe that this treaty will accomplish next to nil, and still cost us big time. Why not put our resources into things that will achieve real results? 

And why is it that the left is willing to put billions and trillions into something that has a minute chance of success (even the treaty aims at miniscule successes, at best) whereas they blow their stacks at the cash being poured into Iraq, which costs far less than Kyoto would and at least has better (though still not good) odds of success?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get tired of hearing the Kyoto Protocol party line. Sure, global warming exists and may be causing many of these weather-related problems in the world. The problem with Kyoto is that it won&#8217;t accomplish much or anything at all. It&#8217;s a non-solution.</p>

<p>What&#8217;s the use of signing on to a totally useless and ineffective plan? One doesn&#8217;t have to deny that global warming exists to believe that this treaty will accomplish next to nil, and still cost us big time. Why not put our resources into things that will achieve real results? </p>

<p>And why is it that the left is willing to put billions and trillions into something that has a minute chance of success (even the treaty aims at miniscule successes, at best) whereas they blow their stacks at the cash being poured into Iraq, which costs far less than Kyoto would and at least has better (though still not good) odds of success?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ron Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we not make them pay economically?  Slap quots on German goods until there is an official apolegy.  These attacks are unjustified and fan the flames of anti-americanism.  When it cost to create problems for the U.S. then these idiots will be stopped by their own people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we not make them pay economically?  Slap quots on German goods until there is an official apolegy.  These attacks are unjustified and fan the flames of anti-americanism.  When it cost to create problems for the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>then these idiots will be stopped by their own people.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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