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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17968</link>
		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, if extremist apologism is your thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In what way or manner have I ever tried to justify any kind of atrocity? Rather, it is you that rejects the idea that Koreans had any role in the exploitation of Korean women. I would describe that as apologist. I said clearly that the Japanese government failed to protect the rights of some women tricked by their parents and sold to pimps (often Korean) that ended up in brothels. If anyone here enjoys seeing Kushibo get pounded, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=50&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; in its entirety.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What in God&#039;s name is wrong with Korea? People with an axe to grind take aberrant or extreme behavior, depict it as something &quot;everybody&quot;Ã‚? believes or thinks, and magnify it so much you&#039;d think that everyone was cutting fingers off over Tokto, the 1/20,000,000 people who actually did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I never wrote any such thing. If you want to debate, debate me and not a strawman caricature of my position. I said the problem was Korean society treating people that chop off their fingers as heroes was the problem, otherwise people would not cut off their fingers.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m all for debunking nonsense, and I have my share of complaints about Korea, but this is way overboard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What have I written that is untrue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Well, if extremist apologism is your thing.</blockquote>

<p>In what way or manner have I ever tried to justify any kind of atrocity? Rather, it is you that rejects the idea that Koreans had any role in the exploitation of Korean women. I would describe that as apologist. I said clearly that the Japanese government failed to protect the rights of some women tricked by their parents and sold to pimps (often Korean) that ended up in brothels. If anyone here enjoys seeing Kushibo get pounded, read <a href="http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=50">this link</a> in its entirety.</p>

<blockquote>What in God&#8217;s name is wrong with Korea? People with an axe to grind take aberrant or extreme behavior, depict it as something &#8220;everybody&#8221;&Atilde;‚? believes or thinks, and magnify it so much you&#8217;d think that everyone was cutting fingers off over Tokto, the 1/20,000,000 people who actually did.</blockquote>

<p>I never wrote any such thing. If you want to debate, debate me and not a strawman caricature of my position. I said the problem was Korean society treating people that chop off their fingers as heroes was the problem, otherwise people would not cut off their fingers.</p>

<blockquote>I&#8217;m all for debunking nonsense, and I have my share of complaints about Korea, but this is way overboard.</blockquote>

<p>What have I written that is untrue?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17802</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of the Nanjing quote do you agree/disagree with? Could you briefly formulate your own take on what, if anything, happened?

Thanks for the comment on Corea/Korea. My &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; regret (so far) is that it is being used by apologists to undermine the stuff that is genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of the Nanjing quote do you agree/disagree with? Could you briefly formulate your own take on what, if anything, happened?</p>

<p>Thanks for the comment on Corea/Korea. My <i>only</i> regret (so far) is that it is being used by apologists to undermine the stuff that is genuine.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17763</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, your post on Korea v.s. Corea was excellent.  As for Occidentalism, I would totally disagree with the above blockquote on comfort women and totally agree with the blockquote on Nanjing, &quot;as noted on numerous occasions in this blog.&quot;:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=nanjing+site%3Acominganarchy.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, your post on Korea v.s. Corea was excellent.  As for Occidentalism, I would totally disagree with the above blockquote on comfort women and totally agree with the blockquote on Nanjing, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=nanjing+site%3Acominganarchy.com">as noted on numerous occasions in this blog.</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17757</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does Korean nationalism (which I&#039;m not deriding for any reason other than its helping to tank the 6-party talks) have to do with this decision by the South Koreans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does Korean nationalism (which I&#8217;m not deriding for any reason other than its helping to tank the 6-party talks) have to do with this decision by the South Koreans?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ron Patterson</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17732</link>
		<dc:creator>ron Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>extremist apologist indeed!!  Who cares if there was some inaccurrancies in some book.  the massacre happened.  i have heard the comfort women were paid argument for years, and it holds little water. 
 I could &quot;bash&quot; Korea on many points but these are not the ones.  particuraly the &quot;comfort women&quot;  many of these women were young teens when their familiese were forced to &quot;sell&quot; them,often at gunpoint I might add.  That a rich country like japan still denies these women finacial compensation , is an insult to Korea and to women.  
   Good post Kushibo, shows that even in modern, educated societies,  there are racist dinosaurs still poisoning the waters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>extremist apologist indeed!!  Who cares if there was some inaccurrancies in some book.  the massacre happened.  i have heard the comfort women were paid argument for years, and it holds little water. <br />
 I could &#8220;bash&#8221; Korea on many points but these are not the ones.  particuraly the &#8220;comfort women&#8221;  many of these women were young teens when their familiese were forced to &#8220;sell&#8221; them,often at gunpoint I might add.  That a rich country like japan still denies these women finacial compensation , is an insult to Korea and to women.  <br />
   Good post Kushibo, shows that even in modern, educated societies,  there are racist dinosaurs still poisoning the waters</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/undermining-peace-by-any-means-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-17724</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On another note, while Marmot appeals to the realist side of me, the what-in-God&#039;s-name-is-wrong-with-Korea side of me has found a new blog to enjoy: Occidentalism.org.  Ahh, refreshing commentary on the madness of South Korea.  Keep up the good work, man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, if extremist apologism is your thing.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=50#comment-276&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; on a few choice right-wing Japanese apologism bits:

On the Comfort Women:
&lt;i&gt;In short, I think the majority of the women were normal prostitutes, and a minority were tricked and sold out by their parents. In anycase, tricked or not, all the women were paid for their &quot;Ã‹Å“work&#039;. If there is some soul searching about the &quot;Ã‹Å“comfort women&#039; to be done, it should be done by Koreans that place so little value on the rights of females that parents would sell their own flesh and blood to the sex industry.&lt;/i&gt; 

On Nanjing Massacre:
&lt;i&gt;...I have read some criticisms of the book &quot;Ã‹Å“The Rape of Nanking&#039;, which contains many inaccuracies. I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility that a massacre took place, but equally possible that the wartime Chinese government may have exaggerated it for propaganda purposes.&lt;/i&gt; 

What in God&#039;s name is wrong with Korea? People with an axe to grind take aberrant or extreme behavior, depict it as something &quot;everybody&quot; believes or thinks, and magnify it so much you&#039;d think that &lt;i&gt;everyone&lt;/i&gt; was cutting fingers off over Tokto, the 1/20,000,000 people who actually did. 

I&#039;m all for &lt;a href=&quot;http://kushibo.blogspot.com/2005/05/korea-versus-corea.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;debunking nonsense&lt;/a&gt;, and I have my share of complaints about Korea, but this is way overboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>On another note, while Marmot appeals to the realist side of me, the what-in-God&#8217;s-name-is-wrong-with-Korea side of me has found a new blog to enjoy: Occidentalism.org.  Ahh, refreshing commentary on the madness of South Korea.  Keep up the good work, man.</blockquote>Well, if extremist apologism is your thing.

<p><a href="http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=50#comment-276">Here&#8217;s</a> on a few choice right-wing Japanese apologism bits:</p>

<p>On the Comfort Women:<br />
<i>In short, I think the majority of the women were normal prostitutes, and a minority were tricked and sold out by their parents. In anycase, tricked or not, all the women were paid for their &#8220;&Atilde;‹&Aring;“work&#8217;. If there is some soul searching about the &#8220;&Atilde;‹&Aring;“comfort women&#8217; to be done, it should be done by Koreans that place so little value on the rights of females that parents would sell their own flesh and blood to the sex industry.</i> </p>

<p>On Nanjing Massacre:<br />
<i>&#8230;I have read some criticisms of the book &#8220;&Atilde;‹&Aring;“The Rape of Nanking&#8217;, which contains many inaccuracies. I think it is certainly within the realm of possibility that a massacre took place, but equally possible that the wartime Chinese government may have exaggerated it for propaganda purposes.</i> </p>

<p>What in God&#8217;s name is wrong with Korea? People with an axe to grind take aberrant or extreme behavior, depict it as something &#8220;everybody&#8221; believes or thinks, and magnify it so much you&#8217;d think that <i>everyone</i> was cutting fingers off over Tokto, the 1/20,000,000 people who actually did. </p>

<p>I&#8217;m all for <a href="http://kushibo.blogspot.com/2005/05/korea-versus-corea.html">debunking nonsense</a>, and I have my share of complaints about Korea, but this is way overboard.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo -- thanks for weighing in on all things Korean, as always. 

The only thing I&#039;ll note in rebuttal is:

&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. officials have not confirmed such an offer was made... &lt;em&gt;The source said...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Basically, there&#039;s a source somewhere.  The US isn&#039;t coming out and saying it, where as the ROK Unification Minister is saying this is the way to go.  Those accursed unilateral South Koreans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo &#8212; thanks for weighing in on all things Korean, as always. </p>

<p>The only thing I&#8217;ll note in rebuttal is:</p>

<blockquote><span class="caps">U.S. </span>officials have not confirmed such an offer was made&#8230; <em>The source said&#8230;</em></blockquote>

<p>Basically, there&#8217;s a source somewhere.  The US isn&#8217;t coming out and saying it, where as the <span class="caps">ROK</span> Unification Minister is saying this is the way to go.  Those accursed unilateral South Koreans!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;vital stance&quot; of the U.S. may not have been so vital a few days ago.

Just before the recess, the U.S. side was &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/nm/20050806/wl_nm/korea_north_dc_125&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;supposedly saying&lt;/a&gt; that North Korea could have a nuclear program as long as it accepted very tight scrutiny. 

From the article:&lt;blockquote&gt;The source said the United States had proposed this week that North Korea could possess a nuclear program for civilian use if it returned to the NPT, abided by all international rules and obligations and accepted full inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;vital stance&#8221; of the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>may not have been so vital a few days ago.</p>

<p>Just before the recess, the <span class="caps">U.S. </span>side was <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/nm/20050806/wl_nm/korea_north_dc_125">supposedly saying</a> that North Korea could have a nuclear program as long as it accepted very tight scrutiny. </p>

From the article:<blockquote>The source said the United States had proposed this week that North Korea could possess a nuclear program for civilian use if it returned to the <span class="caps">NPT, </span>abided by all international rules and obligations and accepted full inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;This is the part where we disagree on with the United States,&quot;Ã‚? Chung said. &quot;We believe that if North Korea returns to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and subjects itself to safeguards agreements and inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, North Korea should have the rights as an NPT member country.&quot;Ã‚?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I think the same would work for Russia, China, India and Pakistan. South Korea may just have solved the world&#039;s nuclear troubles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;This is the part where we disagree on with the United States,&#8221;&Atilde;‚? Chung said. &#8220;We believe that if North Korea returns to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and subjects itself to safeguards agreements and inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency, North Korea should have the rights as an <span class="caps">NPT </span>member country.&#8221;&Atilde;‚?</i></p>

<p>Yes, I think the same would work for Russia, China, India and Pakistan. South Korea may just have solved the world&#8217;s nuclear troubles!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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