Comments on: Liberal Arrogance http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:24:32 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Dan http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-52722 Dan Sun, 04 Dec 2005 04:20:21 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-52722 To wit: <blockquote>The West will be beating about the "ËœBush'</blockquote> ;-) To wit:

The West will be beating about the “ËœBush’

;-)

]]> By: Taha Baharoon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-52662 Taha Baharoon Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:27:38 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-52662 Dan is pontificating and his response was just string of words Dan is pontificating and his response was just string of words

]]> By: Dan http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-52506 Dan Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:15:10 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-52506 While I recognize my comment is not a substantive contribution towards understanding, Taha's comment is close to a self-parody. While I recognize my comment is not a substantive contribution towards understanding, Taha’s comment is close to a self-parody.

]]> By: Taha Baharoon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-52502 Taha Baharoon Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:21:45 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-52502 In their recent efforts to introduce democracy in the Middle East the West, led by the US, has so far failed because its image has been badly discredited. Desecration of Holy Quran, Sanctions, WMD Hoax, straightforward lies, Toma Hawk, Abu Guraib, Guantanamo, prisoners torture, US secret jails worldwide, dependence on much despised Arab Liberals, Bombing of Iraqi cities, an attempt to bomb Al Jazeera, US Military planting articles in Iraqi newpapers and a host of other American dirty tricks have done vey little towards the improvement of American credibility in the Middle East. The West will be beating about the "ËœBush' if it allows itself to be misled by the White House and continues talking about democracy without first solving, justly, the Palestinian issue. People in the Middle East are more bothered by the internationalised "ËœTexas Gangsterism' and other US flagrant violation of basic human rights then the brutality of any dictator on this planet In their recent efforts to introduce democracy in the Middle East the West, led by the US, has so far failed because its image has been badly discredited. Desecration of Holy Quran, Sanctions, WMD Hoax, straightforward lies, Toma Hawk, Abu Guraib, Guantanamo, prisoners torture, US secret jails worldwide, dependence on much despised Arab Liberals, Bombing of Iraqi cities, an attempt to bomb Al Jazeera, US Military planting articles in Iraqi newpapers and a host of other American dirty tricks have done vey little towards the improvement of American credibility in the Middle East. The West will be beating about the “ËœBush’ if it allows itself to be misled by the White House and continues talking about democracy without first solving, justly, the Palestinian issue. People in the Middle East are more bothered by the internationalised “ËœTexas Gangsterism’ and other US flagrant violation of basic human rights then the brutality of any dictator on this planet

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-17853 Chirol Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:23:46 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-17853 YH: Indeed. The Germans often try to pull that one on me and I kindly ask them to walk into one and see how packed it is. If nobody was watching American movies or eating at McDonalds they wouldn't be there. Companies are in it for money, and if they don't have the business, they go elsewhere. Timberland for example opened where I live and quickly went out of business, Gap also closed very quickly and sold all of their European stores to H&M. YH: Indeed. The Germans often try to pull that one on me and I kindly ask them to walk into one and see how packed it is. If nobody was watching American movies or eating at McDonalds they wouldn’t be there. Companies are in it for money, and if they don’t have the business, they go elsewhere. Timberland for example opened where I live and quickly went out of business, Gap also closed very quickly and sold all of their European stores to H&M.

]]> By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-17850 Younghusband Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:36:45 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-17850 How is the West _forcing_ McDonald's, Britney Spears, and Kid Rock on others? How is the West forcing McDonald’s, Britney Spears, and Kid Rock on others?

]]> By: Martey http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-17844 Martey Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:39:58 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-17844 I think the problem with this piece is your restriction of "Western values" to just democracy and freedom. If you see the values of the West as the entire cultural gamut (including McDonald's, Britney Spears, and Kid Rock) your argument holds a lot less water. I think the problem with this piece is your restriction of “Western values” to just democracy and freedom. If you see the values of the West as the entire cultural gamut (including McDonald’s, Britney Spears, and Kid Rock) your argument holds a lot less water.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-17768 Chirol Fri, 12 Aug 2005 03:57:00 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-17768 Joe: You've missed the point. I wasn't speaking of forcing a government on someone, clearly that does not work very often. I was discussing values and the fact that the often heard liberal argument of western values being forced on other cultures is utter nonsense. Joe: You’ve missed the point. I wasn’t speaking of forcing a government on someone, clearly that does not work very often. I was discussing values and the fact that the often heard liberal argument of western values being forced on other cultures is utter nonsense.

]]> By: Joe http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/11/liberal-arrogance/comment-page-1/#comment-17749 Joe Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:29:07 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=990#comment-17749 <blockquote>Such statements are be racist in nature and assume that non anglosaxons aren't capable of running a modern country based on some form of capitalism and democracy.</blockquote> I respectfully disagree. One has to be really, really myopic to hold this view when so many Anglo-Saxon countries have thriving democracies. Besides, such an opinion is not necessary to conclude that forcing a government on another country is a Bad Thing. Many people who hold the latter opinion simply believe that change has to come from within and not without, with no racism involved in the opinion at all. Such statements are be racist in nature and assume that non anglosaxons aren’t capable of running a modern country based on some form of capitalism and democracy.

I respectfully disagree. One has to be really, really myopic to hold this view when so many Anglo-Saxon countries have thriving democracies. Besides, such an opinion is not necessary to conclude that forcing a government on another country is a Bad Thing. Many people who hold the latter opinion simply believe that change has to come from within and not without, with no racism involved in the opinion at all.

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