Comments on: Europe Ruins the Day….Again http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: S.H.Tappe http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-29473 S.H.Tappe Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:00:58 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-29473 Well, bad news is that the one and only safe-guard of so called "paria-states" are atomic weapons. Who is the one to decide? After all, if it´s neighbor Pakistan is allowed to hold atomic weapons (as well as India - think of the consequences of an atomic fight over Kashmir!), why shouldn´t Iran? And if you are still in doubt, recall (rightfully) the surpression of human rights in Iran - how about Saudi-Arabia then? What this all comes down to is mere and simple imperial US power. This Bushies think they can rule the whole world with the largest army. Now it is time to think how successful they really are - loke on Iraq! What consequences would a war on Iran have? Well, good luck boys. I´m happy my government doesn´t want to send me there! That´s another good reasons I won´t vote for Merkel. Henning Well, bad news is that the one and only safe-guard of so called “paria-states” are atomic weapons. Who is the one to decide? After all, if it´s neighbor Pakistan is allowed to hold atomic weapons (as well as India – think of the consequences of an atomic fight over Kashmir!), why shouldn´t Iran? And if you are still in doubt, recall (rightfully) the surpression of human rights in Iran – how about Saudi-Arabia then?
What this all comes down to is mere and simple imperial US power. This Bushies think they can rule the whole world with the largest army. Now it is time to think how successful they really are – loke on Iraq! What consequences would a war on Iran have? Well, good luck boys. I´m happy my government doesn´t want to send me there! That´s another good reasons I won´t vote for Merkel.

Henning

]]> By: ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Undermining Peace By Any Means Necessary http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17720 ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Undermining Peace By Any Means Necessary Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:08:59 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17720 [...] Sir Ignatius Chirol, my dear comrade in arms—it ain’t just the Europeans... [...] [...] Sir Ignatius Chirol, my dear comrade in arms—it ain’t just the Europeans… [...]

]]> By: mark safranski http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17680 mark safranski Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:51:57 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17680 The bad news - Iranian hardliners with nukes. The good news - miniaturization of warheads and tech like lenses and triggers is exceptionally hard. Even with help. The reality is we will not have Europe with us on Iran this one any more than we did on Iraq, barring the opposition sweeping into office in Germany and then aligning with a Sarkozy dominated French government and Tony Blair's UK. THAT would have potential but until then - nada. Schroeder sees American primacy as the # 1 problem for Europe and George W. Bush in particular as an irritating obstacle to an EU dominated Atlantic relationship with America. He's a '68 er at heart The bad news – Iranian hardliners with nukes. The good news – miniaturization of warheads and tech like lenses and triggers is exceptionally hard. Even with help.

The reality is we will not have Europe with us on Iran this one any more than we did on Iraq, barring the opposition sweeping into office in Germany and then aligning with a Sarkozy dominated French government and Tony Blair’s UK. THAT would have potential but until then – nada.

Schroeder sees American primacy as the # 1 problem for Europe and George W. Bush in particular as an irritating obstacle to an EU dominated Atlantic relationship with America. He’s a ‘68 er at heart

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17668 Chirol Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:34:44 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17668 Kira: This is partially a crisis of diplomacy, but as time has shown and seems to continue to prove, diplomacy will almost certainly not be the solution. With Iran, our positions aren't completely mutually exclusive. I imagine the US, though wary, would rather have a nuclear armed democratic Iran than the current one, the problem is largely the government, though in reality any further nuclear armed states is a huge problem and breach of the NPT. As for N. Korea, overestimation or not, most would agree they've already gone nuclear and every day N. Korea isn't disarmed is a day lost. Kira: This is partially a crisis of diplomacy, but as time has shown and seems to continue to prove, diplomacy will almost certainly not be the solution. With Iran, our positions aren’t completely mutually exclusive. I imagine the US, though wary, would rather have a nuclear armed democratic Iran than the current one, the problem is largely the government, though in reality any further nuclear armed states is a huge problem and breach of the NPT. As for N. Korea, overestimation or not, most would agree they’ve already gone nuclear and every day N. Korea isn’t disarmed is a day lost.

]]> By: Kira Zalan http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17667 Kira Zalan Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:15:58 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17667 The worst thing we can do is get scared and give away the farm. Lets cut through the tough talk and look at the facts. US and Israeli intelligence analysts estimate that Iran is years away from a nuclear weapons capability. North Korea is very likely to be overstating its nuclear capabilities, and will not cease its program no matter what we give them. What we have today is a crisis in diplomacy. It is impossible to reach a compromise when the intentions of the negotiating parties are mutually exclusive. But despite another failed relationship therapy session, nothing has changed in the capabilities reality. This time, we must stand firm with the realization that the more we give, the more we fuel the fire. The worst thing we can do is get scared and give away the farm. Lets cut through the tough talk and look at the facts. US and Israeli intelligence analysts estimate that Iran is years away from a nuclear weapons capability. North Korea is very likely to be overstating its nuclear capabilities, and will not cease its program no matter what we give them.

What we have today is a crisis in diplomacy. It is impossible to reach a compromise when the intentions of the negotiating parties are mutually exclusive. But despite another failed relationship therapy session, nothing has changed in the capabilities reality.

This time, we must stand firm with the realization that the more we give, the more we fuel the fire.

]]> By: Chirol http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17666 Chirol Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:09:29 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17666 I struggled to write a post that was halfway formal and fair. When faced with such nonsense, keeping one's composure or formal air is indeed difficult. Idiots indeed! I struggled to write a post that was halfway formal and fair. When faced with such nonsense, keeping one’s composure or formal air is indeed difficult. Idiots indeed!

]]> By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/10/europe-ruins-the-dayagain/comment-page-1/#comment-17664 Curzon Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:04:45 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/?p=991#comment-17664 When will these people learn! Saying: <em>"I see no possibility other than reaching a resolution through negotiations."Â?</em> ...just about GUARANTEES that you will not reach a peaceful resolution through negotiations because it discloses that you are willing to sue for peace, thus giving the other paty every incentive to give you absolutely nothing at the negotiating table. IDIOTS! When will these people learn!

Saying:

“I see no possibility other than reaching a resolution through negotiations.”Â?

…just about GUARANTEES that you will not reach a peaceful resolution through negotiations because it discloses that you are willing to sue for peace, thus giving the other paty every incentive to give you absolutely nothing at the negotiating table.

IDIOTS!

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