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		<title>By: ron Patterson</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-18489</link>
		<dc:creator>ron Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes give missles to our allies. surround the Norks with massive force, make clear that theior destruction is the end result of any game they may play.  Push for regime change.  Quit trying to be rational with these animals.  They are starving and butchering their own people.  If America and the West stand for something then let us show it.  To negotiate with murderers is abhorent.  Sometimes force is the answer.  Save the people of North Korea!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes give missles to our allies. surround the Norks with massive force, make clear that theior destruction is the end result of any game they may play.  Push for regime change.  Quit trying to be rational with these animals.  They are starving and butchering their own people.  If America and the West stand for something then let us show it.  To negotiate with murderers is abhorent.  Sometimes force is the answer.  Save the people of North Korea!!!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Live From The FDNF</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-18181</link>
		<dc:creator>Live From The FDNF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;South Korea&#039;s Delusion&lt;/strong&gt;

As options for dealing with North Korea (not that there are any good options on the table) are discussed, there is often a tendency to view things from only our perspective as Americans. Rarely do you find serious looks at</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>South Korea&#8217;s Delusion</strong></p>

<p>As options for dealing with North Korea (not that there are any good options on the table) are discussed, there is often a tendency to view things from only our perspective as Americans. Rarely do you find serious looks at</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chirol compels me</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-17796</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chirol compels me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is a line in the sand our best policy? A rebuttal to my comrade&#8217;s recent post on dealing with North Korea. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-17695</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, I agree that particular article is flawed, the one I am talking about is the op-ed written by Won Joon Choe and Jack Kim.  What they talk about is similar to what I have learned from time spent in South Korea and discussions with Koreans.  America has a very serious South Korea problem and we may not have the luxury of just waiting for the popular misconception of North Korea to vanish.  Plus, it is not just anti-American confused students I worry about, but Korean nationalists willing to do whatever to advance their interests and goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, I agree that particular article is flawed, the one I am talking about is the op-ed written by Won Joon Choe and Jack Kim.  What they talk about is similar to what I have learned from time spent in South Korea and discussions with Koreans.  America has a very serious South Korea problem and we may not have the luxury of just waiting for the popular misconception of North Korea to vanish.  Plus, it is not just anti-American confused students I worry about, but Korean nationalists willing to do whatever to advance their interests and goals.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-17694</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie, I wouldn&#039;t put too much faith in what &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2005/08/09/calling-all-fact-checkers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the CSM&lt;/a&gt; has to say.

Anyway, there is by no means a universal opinion on the matter here in South Korea. With things like college students calling for the ouster of a professor who recently praised Kim Ilsung for trying to reunify the country, it&#039;s clear the pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way. A conservative win in two years is likely (but not guaranteed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie, I wouldn&#8217;t put too much faith in what <a href="http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2005/08/09/calling-all-fact-checkers/">the <span class="caps">CSM</span></a> has to say.</p>

<p>Anyway, there is by no means a universal opinion on the matter here in South Korea. With things like college students calling for the ouster of a professor who recently praised Kim Ilsung for trying to reunify the country, it&#8217;s clear the pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way. A conservative win in two years is likely (but not guaranteed).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/08/09/a-line-in-the-sand/comment-page-1/#comment-17693</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our hands are increasingly tied because of the brainwashed South Korean public, which has been fed a bunch of BS about NK by their own government (see yesterday&#039;s op-ed in the Christian Science Monitor for great analysis on this from Korean observers).  
If we can&#039;t get South Korea to get tough with the North Koreans, there will be little hope for negotiations or military action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our hands are increasingly tied because of the brainwashed South Korean public, which has been fed a bunch of BS about NK by their own government (see yesterday&#8217;s op-ed in the Christian Science Monitor for great analysis on this from Korean observers).  <br />
If we can&#8217;t get South Korea to get tough with the North Koreans, there will be little hope for negotiations or military action.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chirol: I understand your point, I&#039;m just saying that the plan would make no sense from their perspective. The US already has nukes in the Pacific region in other bases, or on missile launching submarines, that can target North Korea, China, or whatever other country potentially threatens a military ally.

Also, at a time when we&#039;re trying to get North Korea to dismantle their nuclear weapons and to get China to dismantle their non-nuclear (but probably armed with chemical weapons) missiles pointed at Taiwan, bringing in more force would just continue an arms race mentality on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chirol: I understand your point, I&#8217;m just saying that the plan would make no sense from their perspective. The US already has nukes in the Pacific region in other bases, or on missile launching submarines, that can target North Korea, China, or whatever other country potentially threatens a military ally.</p>

<p>Also, at a time when we&#8217;re trying to get North Korea to dismantle their nuclear weapons and to get China to dismantle their non-nuclear (but probably armed with chemical weapons) missiles pointed at Taiwan, bringing in more force would just continue an arms race mentality on both sides.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europe Ruins the Day&#8230;.Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europe Ruins the Day&#8230;.Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chirol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chirol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mutantfrog: The entire idea is that by borrowing ours, we essentially give them a nuclear deterrent under our control and make them promise not to restart their past programs. And additionally, the point is that it should be more of a credible threat than something we&#039;d actually do. However, in the face of North Korea&#039;s behavior, it would not be very hard to justify such a move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mutantfrog: The entire idea is that by borrowing ours, we essentially give them a nuclear deterrent under our control and make them promise not to restart their past programs. And additionally, the point is that it should be more of a credible threat than something we&#8217;d actually do. However, in the face of North Korea&#8217;s behavior, it would not be very hard to justify such a move.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: futuremongolian</title>
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		<dc:creator>futuremongolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*3. Our deterrent*

this paragraph is a bit counterintuitive. Of course I highly doubt that North Korea would ever get to a point where they could successfully launch a nuclear attack against S.Korea or Japan, but do you seriously believe that dropping a hundred nuclear bombs on an area so close in proximity to *our allies* would do them any good? the environmental fallout would be devestating, and project itself hundreds of years into the future. 

Would South Koreans ever accept such an action? half of their history and race being wiped off the Earth? they do still desire reunification, their brothers, to the North, although highly caustic, are not merely faceless terrorists. 

regarding weapons, mitsubishi designs the targeting systems for Americas patriot missiles, so they wont be looking for handouts anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>3. Our deterrent</strong></p>

<p>this paragraph is a bit counterintuitive. Of course I highly doubt that North Korea would ever get to a point where they could successfully launch a nuclear attack against <span class="caps">S.K</span>orea or Japan, but do you seriously believe that dropping a hundred nuclear bombs on an area so close in proximity to <strong>our allies</strong> would do them any good? the environmental fallout would be devestating, and project itself hundreds of years into the future. </p>

<p>Would South Koreans ever accept such an action? half of their history and race being wiped off the Earth? they do still desire reunification, their brothers, to the North, although highly caustic, are not merely faceless terrorists. </p>

<p>regarding weapons, mitsubishi designs the targeting systems for Americas patriot missiles, so they wont be looking for handouts anytime soon.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Additionally, should we lend our nuclear missles to allies in Japan, Taiwan and South Korea as we did to Europeans during the cold war? This would prevent nuclear proliferation among our allies but still give them a nucler capability, albeit under our control and would go a long way to ease their minds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;

The answer to your question is a big NO. Taiwan was in the process of developing nuclear weapons in the 70s, and South Korea was in the 80s. They only stopped under force of US pressure and a condition that there would be no foreign nuclear weapons in their respective territory. If we bring nukes into either Taiwan or South Korea, they would probably resume their dead programs and have their own nuclear weapons within a few months. 

As for Japan, they have a very strict anti-nukes policy (which on the 60th anniversary of their own bombing is not likely to be changed in the immediate future), and even if they were to relax that policy, they don&#039;t need OUR nukes. They have a huge amount of weapons grade nuclear material stockpiled from their supply of nuclear power plants, and the technology to manufacture dozens if not hundreds of nuclear weapons practically overnight, if they desired to. Not to mention the fact that, as one of the few countries with a space program, they could actually construct effective ICBMs that could reach anywhere on Earth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Additionally, should we lend our nuclear missles to allies in Japan, Taiwan and South Korea as we did to Europeans during the cold war? This would prevent nuclear proliferation among our allies but still give them a nucler capability, albeit under our control and would go a long way to ease their minds.</blockquote><blockquote>

<p>The answer to your question is a big <span class="caps">NO.</span> Taiwan was in the process of developing nuclear weapons in the 70s, and South Korea was in the 80s. They only stopped under force of US pressure and a condition that there would be no foreign nuclear weapons in their respective territory. If we bring nukes into either Taiwan or South Korea, they would probably resume their dead programs and have their own nuclear weapons within a few months. </p>

As for Japan, they have a very strict anti-nukes policy (which on the 60th anniversary of their own bombing is not likely to be changed in the immediate future), and even if they were to relax that policy, they don&#8217;t need <span class="caps">OUR </span>nukes. They have a huge amount of weapons grade nuclear material stockpiled from their supply of nuclear power plants, and the technology to manufacture dozens if not hundreds of nuclear weapons practically overnight, if they desired to. Not to mention the fact that, as one of the few countries with a space program, they could actually construct effective <span class="caps">ICBM</span>s that could reach anywhere on Earth.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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