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August 4th, 2005

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‘Why do you like this guy?’ answered

E Pluribus Unum asked:

Krugman: One of President Bush’s great political talents is his ability to convince people who do care passionately about policy that he is one of them. Foreign-policy neoconservatives believe he shares their vision of a world transformed by American power. Economic conservatives believe he shares their dedication to dismantling the welfare state.

But a serious effort either to transform the world or to dismantle the welfare state would require sacrifices Mr. Bush hasn’t been willing to make.
OK, conservatives: why do you like this guy?

Name one positive accomplishment he has achieved, other than squandering the surplus he inherited on tax cuts for his friends?

I’m not a Bush sycophant. I am a registered Republican. I have my likes and dislikes about Mr. Bush. Want to talk social policy and economics? I’ll probably agree with many of the critiques of Bush’s tax, agriculture, and social security policy. But I thought he was the superior choice by far in last year’s election and I’m glad he’s president, because I base my vote for president almost entirely on foreign policy. I’m basically reposting this, but since the question was asked, here goes.

We had two leftover Rogue States at the end of the Cold War: Cuba and North Korea. Additionally, we saw these eight Rogue States States of Concern emerge during the 1990s: Liberia, Libya, Zimbabwe, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Sudan.

Bush, to his credit, is on track to fix some of these mistakes. This is the list of remaining “Rogue States”* circa 2004: Cuba, North Korea, Liberia, Libya, Zimbabwe, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Sudan.

So, you want a positive accomplishment? How about four?

1.) Afghanistan’s been taken care of. Bush Responsibility: TOTAL
2.) Hussein was removed from power in Iraq; currently occupatied by US troops. Bush Responsibility: TOTAL
3.) Liberia is on the mend. Bush Responsibility: MINIMAL
4.) Libya’s been scared straight. Bush Responsibility: PARTIAL

Heck, at this rate we should expect there to be just two rogue states by the end of 2008! There’s my argument in a nutshell.

Warning: You get zero points if your comment mentions either one of the Clintons, Gore or Kerry.

Well, comparisons are necessary. I don’t necessarily blame Mr. Clinton for much of the above, although he is partially responsible for Liberia (watching the country go to pot), Zimbabwe (ditto), Afghanistan (why stop with a few missiles at the terrorist training camps?), and the DPRK (letting Kim get nukes). The Republican congressional opposition bears as much responsibility for Afghanistan, but not the DPRK””?they criticized the appeasement policy vigorously, thank you.

*= The term “rogue state” was too delicate for Clinton, who preferred “States of Concern.” WTF?! As if the problem goes away or gets better by changing the goddamn name of what we call the enemy! (And yes, in that same category, this critique of GWOT name change is entirely valid.)

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mark safranski
August 4, 2005
3:18 am
A better question might be why Paul Krugman thought George W. Bush was important enough to give up being a world class economist in order to become a partisan shill ?

If George W. Bush woke up one day and healed the blind, the lame and the halt of speech, Krugman would immediately pen a column on how Bush is undermining Medicare.
Daniel Nexon
August 4, 2005
3:33 am
Counterfactuals, Curzon, counterfactuals. If Gore were President, and 9/11 happened, would we have invaded Afghanistan? The answer is clearly "yes." Iraq is another matter.

Libya's the interesting one. Credit the British and sanctions, or bandwagoning? Hmmm.
snow
August 4, 2005
5:42 am
Bush's achievements? Well, how about a reasonably well-performing economy, probably somewhat influenced by the tax cuts for the people who pay most of the taxes anyway, the recent passing of CAFTA, the nomination of John Roberts, the increase in spending on Medicare (I don't think this is necessarily a good thing, but leftists do) and the lack of terrorist attacks in the US after 9/11 (so far).

Has he had failures? Certainly, (as a libertarian, I have lots to complain about) but Krugman and his ilk are just so biased against Bush, they just can't see anything positive about the guy whatsoever. Heck, I read how he was criticized for being in great shape!
Eddie
August 4, 2005
9:49 am
I have problems with Bush on Sudan's genocide, Zimbabwe's oppression and the lack of stronger US military leadership in Africa (i.e. letting the ghosts of Clinton's Somalia debacle rule the debate every time). Nevertheless he and his team are responsible for some of the significant improvements in America's strategic relationships around the world with key players including Japan, Indonesia, Singapore, Pakistan and the most important of all, India. His administration has had the political guts and foresight to initiate several groundbreaking programs, whether they're changing the face of foreign aid (Millennium Challenge Account- MCA), revamping what multilateral partnerships can accomplish (Proliferation Security Initiative- PSI) or forging a pragmatic foreign policy with an idealistic face (fighting human trafficking and AIDS like never before, supporting debt relief and promoting democracy).
There's many more positives, but like most things Pres. Bush has done, he'll never get credit for them and indeed will likely be attacked for some minor detail that will obscure the accomplishment.
He's in a league of accomplishments his bumbling father and Clinton will never be in.
Let's not forget that by force of arms and careful diplomacy, more than 100 million people have a chance at a new future that would otherwise have been impossible. (Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine, Lebanon)
heirabbit
August 4, 2005
10:41 am
We can credit Bush with being a neocon puppet who commits mass murders for glory. Yay!

Saying he "took care of " Afganistan - well that's very cute. Afganistan isn't under US control. The US lost that war, as they lost Iraq (and Yugoslavia, and Vietnam). The important thing about these new unconstitutional "conflicts" is to read what happens aftwerward. Like Karzai only being able to control Kabul, the daily mayhem, the rule of the Taliban on the outskirts, and - oh yes! - the failure to capture Bin Laden, etc. etc.. As this is the first time I've heard anyone say anything was "won" in Afganistan, so I'm tempted to think Curzon is a herion trafficker.
Dan
August 4, 2005
12:39 pm
"the rule of the Taliban on the outskirts"

That Afghanistan does not have a strong central government does not mean that some other strong central force (the Taliban) have any real power.
mark safranski
August 4, 2005
1:50 pm
Heirabbit,

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to the history of strong central government in Afghanistan disrupted by the U.S. toppling of the Taliban ? Or how things would be better there with Mullah Omar in charge ?

As I recall, Afghanistan was headed to a mass famine under the Taliban which was averted only by American intervention ( like most any given subject, reality proved to be the direct opposite of the deranged rantings of Noam Chomsky).
Kenneth
August 4, 2005
3:33 pm
While there are things I like about Bush, on the whole I think that he has done a less than admirable job. The Iraq War has destabilized the region and now Iraq and Iran are allying for reasons that warrant suspicion. China´s grip on Central Asia is being slowly but surely strengthened by the fear the local leaders there have of the US.

It´s times like these I ask myself: what ever happened to good, old fashioned isolationism? I mean really, is there any point in "bringing freedom to the world" only to win the enmity of many a band of brigands? Is staying the hell out of it so utterly unreasonable?

That aside, the only other complaint I have about Bush is the fact that he refuses to balance the budget, and as a result deficits have burdgeoned, tying up $3.8 trillion of much-needed capital. There are, however, things I like about Bush:

- Social security privatisation

- tax cuts

- educational reform (The No Child Left Behind act did raise standards, didn´t it?)

Normally I have a higher quality of writing than this however right now I am in Austria and therefore using a crappy computer with an equally crappy keyboard.
Pete
August 4, 2005
8:23 pm
George Bush has a coherent North Korea policy? Enlighten me.
Mutantfrog
August 5, 2005
3:29 am
Kenneth,

His social security plan was a complete failure- whether the plan had any merit or not you may notice that he's lost the fight and given it up.

His tax cuts are part of the reason for the massive deficit increases that you dislike, as well as funding his military adventures through special funding bills and sidestepping the normal budget process.

The No Child Left Behind Act has increased testing in elementary schools, but in general it imposes requirements that no funding has been provided for. It forces schools to do more work without giving them more resources to do it, and leads to nothing but more unneeded bureacracy being paid for by already strained budgets.

And Krugman does still write some interesting things once in a while, when he's actually trying to do economics instead of politics. I usually skim his column to see which it's going to be.
J.
August 5, 2005
4:59 pm
1. Afghanistan - still number one in worldwide heroin production, still losing American soldiers, Taliban resurgence in the outlying provinces - Bush responsibility - Total

2. Iraq - Saddam removed from power, zero WMDs found, mounting toll on troops over 15000 (incl wounded), $5 billion/month costs - Bush responsibility - Total

3. Liberia - who the fuck cares? How's Sudan, Niger, and Mauritania doing? How about Zimbabwe, Rhawanda and Ethiopia? - Bush responsibility - Zero.

4. Libya - negotiations on WMD program started in 1993, Bush responsibility for "scared straight" - minimal.

5. North Korea and Iran - increased nuclear weapons programs, minimal engagement, pathetic showpiece Secretary of State - Bush responsibility - Total.

6. Bosnia - US troops still there. Bush responsibility - Partial.

7. Cuba - no actions to engage Cuba other than flaunting from Gitmo, reinforced sanctions to keep brother Jeb in power - Bush responsibility - Total.

Yeah, quite a national security record there.
Joe
August 5, 2005
6:20 pm
Yes, I agree that Bush is not as horrible as many make him out to be. However, he isn't going to go down in history as one of our best presidents, and I would be surprised if he came out in the upper half. He might be doing a better job than Carter and Ford but he's nowhere near his father or Reagan, and he definitely isn't doing much better than Clinton if he's doing better at all.

The problem is that, while he did come out in Afghanistan and Iraq with guns blazing, the guns didn't really accomplish a whole lot. I'm not saying that either of these countries have turned into terrorist breeding grounds because of Bush; that's daft. What I'm saying is that the terrorism keeps coming, and while we haven't had another 9/11, we're still not "winning" this GWOT in any cognizable sense, as our allies overseas will be quick to point out.

Instead of getting the terrorists, we're getting airline security measures that are silly to the point of being asinine. We have a big new Department of Homeland Security that doesn't seem to do anything more effectively than its separate predecessors did except generate more bureaucratic bloat. We have soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq still trying to "win the peace" in countries that haven't seen real peace in decades, and the terrorists still coming.

I'm not opposed to what Bush says and does, so much as I'm opposed to the way he does it (i.e. half-assedly). I worked for Bob Graham when he was running for president (if any of you remember that, try not to laugh) mainly because I agreed with his key foreign policy argument: that the War on Terror has to be fought by targeting terrorists, not the terrorists' periphery.

And I still can't get over my biggest beef with Bush: I have no clue what his motivations are. He gave ten different reasons for invading Iraq and the real reasons seem to be numbered eleven through thirteen. After eight years of Clinton, it would have been nice to have a trustable president. Well, until we have a credible opposition party again, good luck finding a trustable president...
Joe
August 5, 2005
11:41 pm
Also, Bush's Iran policy is starting to bear a resemblance to Clinton's worthless NK policy. See "this article":http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-05T222047Z_01_N05227902_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-NUCLEAR-IRAN-USA-DC.XML
ron Patterson
August 8, 2005
9:14 am
Bush has a very spotty record. Afghanstan; what U.S. political figure would not have invaded after 9/11? Iran and North Korea well we had a good chance in Iran to perhaps establish a working dialogue. But that chance is gone forever. North Korea, no policy is what it looks like! Until the U.S has a definite goal(regime change) Japan, China, South Korea and Russia will all go there seperate ways. If Bush does not put together a coherent policy for North Korea Japan will go nuclear and the Asian arms race becomes a nightmare probably leading to a major regional conflict. But I will give him credit for call Kim Il Jung for what he is. At this point in time a million North Koreans are in prison,totured starved, slaving to prop up the regime. Reports are that a million may die of starvation, despite food aid from the U.S. and South Korea and others. This should be the major new story in the U.S. media not crying because a murderer held in Guantanamo gets slapped. As for Zimbabwe and Sudan a total failure to be a leader and gather the nessacary world support to make changes. Oh yeah totally allienating many of our allies world wide. So W. gets a D-. Saved from anf F because Saddam had to go.