Mark of Zenpundit and Dan of tdaxp have been having a brilliant brainstorming session on the possibilities of graduating 4th Generation Warfare (4GW) to a new level. So far these are the posts to watch:
Here is a taste:
A strong possibility exists that given successive generations of warfare tend to drive ” deeper” into enemy territory, that 5GW will mean systemic liquidation of enemy networks and their sympathizers, essentially a total war on a society or subsection of a society. There is no where ” deeper” for 5GW to go but here. At the high tech end 5GW would be precisely targeted to winnow out ” the bad guys” in a souped-up version of Operation Phoenix but at the low-tech end we could see campaigns that would be indiscriminate, democidally-oriented death squad campaigns that shred 4GW networks by the same actuarially merciless logic that led the Allies to firebomb German and Japanese cities in WWII.
…The 4th Generation of War redshifts deeper into the OODA loop. It slides into the “Observation” realm. If traditional war centered on an enemy’s physical strength, and 4GW on his moral strength, the 5th Generation of War would focus on his intellectual strength. A 5th Generation War might be fought with one side not knowing who it is fighting. Or even, a brilliantly executed 5GW might involve one side being completely ignorant that there ever was a war. It’s like the old question of what was the perfect robbery: we will never know, because in a perfect robbery the bank would not know that it was robbed.
Very interesting stuff.

Comments to this entry
Curtis Gale Weeks
July 19, 2005
7:15 pm
A couple links:
"Jane's Intelligence Review":http://www.janes.com/regional_news/asia_pacific/news/jir/jir000223_1_n.shtml
"Global Security. org":http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1999/WEBRES4.htm
_[I edited that link for you Curtis. - Younghusband]_
mark safranski
July 19, 2005
8:31 pm
Thank you for these links !!!
Yes, I have heard about the concept though I have not seen a translation of their work ( and actually half-forgot it to be frank).
What I can tell you is that these Chinese Colonels sparked a classified course in Aysmmetric Warfare concepts at the request of the DoD at ( I believe) National Defense U. The prof who developed the course asked to use some material I had posted on H-Net to which I agreed. Unfortunately she was not permitted to share the syllabus or course material with me - so I'm not sure exactly what or how my ideas were interpreted or in what context other than asymmetric warfare by China was suddenly a very big concern for the pentagon at the time.
Thank you. This was a topic I really ought to have pursued at the time and never did. The reminder was useful !
Kenneth
July 19, 2005
11:31 pm
Dan
July 20, 2005
1:41 am
I could thank you for your kind words and links on the blog, and apologize for not being able focus my thoughts today on a worth-while reply,
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or Bush's new Supreme Court pick
or even al Qaeda in Iraq convertting to Barnettian strategy
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tdaxp
July 20, 2005
1:25 pm
Earlier, in a post picked up by Coming Anarchy, ZenPundit, and others, I attempted to reconstruct the OODA Loop as a flowchart. You may remember I drew it like this: Since that post, I have been in an email conversation with an expert on O...
Dan
July 21, 2005
1:27 am
oops.
Not dead people. 5GWs. Yeah. That's it.
/ end self-promotion
Kenneth
July 21, 2005
3:46 am
heirabbit
July 21, 2005
11:27 am
Dan
July 21, 2005
12:47 pm
However, a politically mobilized population makes 5GW more difficult and 5GW attackers have no need to attack an enemy's will.
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