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7-7

Terrorist bombings have struck the public transportation system of the British capital. The London blasts have left at least eight dead and scores injured. I am finishing my day and watching the event unfold online. At first it was reported as a “power surge” that stopped and damaged trains. Shortly after, eyewitness reports of bloodied civilians fleeing the tube came in. Buses were also hit—shredded like tin cans. Traffic has stopped. The city has shut down.

Over the next few days we’re going to hear the same pathetic shits who came out from their holes on 9-11 to quasi-justify the attacks. Like when Michael Moore said shortly after 9-11 that the terrorists were dolts. . . because “there are no Bush voters in New York!” (As if Al Qaeda backed Democrats?) Thus far, the only blogger dare go down that road is this tool at the blog Olive Branch:

This is a sad day in history, and hopefully a day the stupid FUCKING G8 LEADERS WILL LEARN FROM. Some asshole has gone and attacked the London Public Transport system, unjustified attacks against civilian targets.

If you want to attack the G8, Go to Scotland and attack the G8. I understand how important the date to do this on is, today, and the idea they are trying to achieve. But that just does not excuse destroying public transport and killing civilians.

By now if it was in the USA, we would have the media buzzing with terrorist alerts, why haven’t we? Where are the media?

You tell ‘em, Tiger! If you want to protest the G8, go assasinate the leaders up in Scotland!

(I say “thus far.” I’m sure plenty will follow in his footsteps.)

For a terrorist, today’s timing couldn’t be better. Britain is riding high and everything was peachy until today, as noted by Tim Heywood:

G8 in Scotland. Olympic success yesterday. We really seem to have the focus on us at the moment. Certainly a good time for a terrorist group to get themselves noticed.

Exactly. Make no mistake: this was not a protest of the Iraq War, or an attack by opponents of Bush’s reluctance on global warming, or angry Frenchmen unhappy about the 2012 London Olympics, or righteous demonstrators demanding more aid for Africa. This was the criminal act of fanatics seeking to damage the soft underbelly of the globalized world as best they could. Jet planes are no longer an option, so they’ve gone to the ground: first train attacks in Madrid, and now subway and bus attacks in London. Carried out during rush hour, clearly they are trying to hurt as many people as possible with the limited means they have available. We are dealing with the lowest form of human existence. I implore you: take no prisoners.

More from the Olive Branch:

I hope the G8 learn something from this, I hope change comes now, before it is far far to late for them.

So we agree! Here’s my proposal for change that should come now: a Patriot Act for Europe. There is a very good reason that no attack on US soil has happened since 9/11. The same police search and seizure laws that have applied to suspected mafiosos for the past half century now apply to terrorists too. Is that so outrageous? Since the WTC attacks, America has been spared a second wave of terrorist attacks while Europe has become the target of choice. Extremist Islamic communities seeking to undermine the very free society that has taken them in are throwing their weight and not enough is being done to stop them. (The background to this story is beautifully outlined in this PBS Frontline documentary, which you can watch online.)

Iraq and the US war on terrorism are not irrelevant to the situation. To a certain degree they are connected—but only so far. Europe must tackle its growing extremist minority populations or face an emboldened and growing network of Islamo-fascists. Terrorist attacks in Europe are not something you can blame on America and wish away. I will repeat myself: We are dealing with the lowest form of human existence. Take no prisoners.

UPDATE: Younghusband, how does this fit into your Al Qaeda numerological attack strategy theorum?

UPDATE 2: Quote of the day, from Slate.

This has been an extraordinary 24 hours for London. Yesterday afternoon, the International Olympic Committee awarded London the 2012 Summer Games. I was in Trafalgar Square when the announcement came, and the place went crazy. There was shouting and hugging and dancing. It seemed somehow bizarre. It seemed very … un-English. But the reaction to today’s attacks feels incredibly English.

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Eddie
July 7, 2005
1:38 pm
It was just about 2-3 hours ago that on our last night in Sydney, Australia, spending our precious few last hours in a bar as most sailors do, the bar quieted and tv channels were changed to coverage of the London bombings. In "liberal" Sydney, its eye-opening to have heard near universal anger and condemnation of Islamic terrorists uttered from the mouths of locals. No discussion of "suspects", no debate over "human rights", no claims of this being "Bush and Blair's fault"... just angry oaths and a pall of sorrow that overtook many of the bars in downtown Sydney as we began our slow, pained walk back to the ship.

We are all in this together. Americans, Brits, Spanish, Germans, French, Afghans, Iraqis, Darfur Sudanese, Israelis, Turks, Indians, etc etc. The sooner we all realize this, the sooner we can wipe this menace off the face of the earth.

As Curzon rightly says, take no prisoners. They cede any and all claims to humanity the moment they engage in the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. No human rights, no due process, just a bullet or a well-placed munitions blast. God help the victims of today's blasts and may their murderers be quickly eliminated.
The Dustless Workshop
July 7, 2005
2:53 pm
7 explosions on the 7/7/2005; 2+0+0+5 = 7 => 7777?

You know what, for the first time, I agree with *take no prisoners*.
Chirol
July 7, 2005
4:14 pm
Indeed. Those willing to infringe on the rights of others in such a terrible way forfeit all of their own rights. Does anyone still want to argue against the death penalty should they find people who were involved?
Younghusband
July 7, 2005
5:09 pm
I am not sure how the numbers crunch out; nothing happened in Jan of this year. I am inclined to say that this was an attack of opportunity, but what was the purpose? There are so many questions. Did they want just exposure since all eyes are on the UK for the G8 and Olympics? Was it Al Qaeda? With all the terrorism related arrests made in the past year or two in London, how did this get under the radar? What is going on with the Israeli Embassy? Were they suicide or just packaged bombs like on 3/11?

We'll just have to wait and see for now. I emailed all my London mates to make sure everything is okay with them.
Mutantfrog
July 7, 2005
5:25 pm
I don't see how a Patriot Act style law would necessarily have made any difference when the UK doesn't even have protections similar to those enshrined in the Bill of Rights- surveillance is almost universal in the UK, and the people who did this probably succeeded by just being too smart to attract the attention of the police.

It's a little early for speculation, but why London today? Some suggest the G8, but then why not Scotland? Some the Olympic bid, but most people expected that to go to France. Was there also a plot to attack instead Paris if they won the Olympic bid? I find that somewhat unlikely that they could have invested so much effort in a secret plan, only to abandon it based on the IOC vote.

As an aside, before 9/11 this would have immediately been blamed on the IRA, but I haven't even seen them mentioned yet in news coverage.
The Old Revolution » Blogs on London Blast
July 7, 2005
6:28 pm
[...] ——————— joi ito has some flickr and a wikinews links. —————- pilcrow press has a list of news sources. ————— Coming Anarchy ——————– Here’s an article from Slate: Dispatch From London - In the wake of the terrorist attacks. By David Plotz This has been an extraordinary 24 hours for London. Yesterday afternoon, the International Olympic Committee awarded London the 2012 Summer Games. I was in Trafalgar Square when the announcement came, and the place went crazy. There was shouting and hugging and dancing. It seemed somehow bizarre. It seemed very … un-English. [...]
Grendel
July 7, 2005
7:45 pm
A "Patriot Act for Europe" is completely out of the question, such "assaults":http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/20011031_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.php on civil liberties would cause a public outrage. Have you actually read the whole paper? I haven't, it's 342 pages long, but what I read about it is troubling. While nobody denies that steps have to be taken, it'll certainly differ from the way terrorism has been dealt with in the US. The victims today were not only the people on the street, but also the west's modern way of life. Openness, civil liberties and freedom - of which the latter is often described as being so important to Americans - are also under attack. There's definitively no need to attack it from "the inside" as well and introduce that kind of legislation as you suggested.

I've also mailed around, but so far only half of my friends in London answered.
Dan
July 7, 2005
10:12 pm
"This was the criminal act of fanatics seeking to damage the soft underbelly of the globalized world as best they could. Jet planes are no longer an option, so they've gone to the ground: first train attacks in Madrid, and now subway and bus attacks in London. Carried out during rush hour, clearly they are trying to hurt as many people as possible with the limited means they have available. We are dealing with the lowest form of human existence. I implore you: take no prisoners."

So are we dealing with criminals or warriors?

It's bizarre to treat them as both.

That would be like FDR promising to prosecute the pilots who attacked Pearl Harbor.
tdaxp
July 7, 2005
10:30 pm
Bin Laden's Love for 7 / 7

"David DUCHOVNY step aside!," by Younghusband, Coming Anarchy, 2 October 2004, http://www.cominganarchy.com/2004/10/02/david-duchovny-step-aside/ (from Curzon at Coming Anarchy).Younghusband of CA saw <b>al Qaeda's love of sev...
Younghusband
July 7, 2005
11:28 pm
Regarding my numerology theorum, I still haven't found out the significance of the number 7.

Not to make light of the situation, but somehow I don't think the motivation was "Tanabata":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanabata.
Curzon
July 8, 2005
12:11 am
Dan: We are dealing with criminal fanatics. There is no state sponsor or major target to strike overseas. The enemy is within. If this was Chechen seperatists or Iraqi insurgents we could call them warriors.

Grendal & MF: Unfortunately, a Patriot Act in Europe will not happen until much, much worse things happen.
snow
July 8, 2005
2:21 am
Well, Grendel, I may be mistaken on this, but I heard that in some countries, such as Germany and France, there already exists security laws quite similar to those in the Patriot Act. I'm sorry I don't have a link and can't even remember where I read it, but I read that France has had some fairly drastic anti-terrorism regulations as far back as 1986 and Germany, as of the early 90's.
Younghusband
July 8, 2005
5:06 am
"How to verify a terrorist group's claim of responsibility":http://slate.msn.com/id/2122078
Matt
July 8, 2005
7:49 am
"Make no mistake: this was not a protest of the Iraq War..."

This seems like a dangerous assumption. How do you know this wasn't a protest of the Iraq War?
Curzon
July 8, 2005
7:51 am
Hitchens says it best:
"The Anticipated Attack: Don't blame Iraq for the bombings":http://slate.com/id/2122186/
Mutantfrog
July 8, 2005
8:43 am
England has a very long history of IRA terrorist attacks, and very little history of legal protection of privacy from the state. I'm quite sure that British police had powers comparable to those granted under the Patriot Act long before 9.11.
Grendel
July 8, 2005
2:00 pm
Does anyone still want to argue against the death penalty should they find people who were involved?

I guess I was meant.
And the answer is yes, I do. Also, Great Britain is not going to reintroduce capital punishment only to execute the terrorists involved, but submit them to a court, judge them according to the evidence and punish them by law as it should be.

Curseon, get rid of that typo ;-)
Sheridan
July 9, 2005
1:55 am
I'm sure that the SAS might have a thing or two to say about who actually makes it to the court system to be prosecuted. They have to be frothing at the mouth over a well executed Al Qaeda assault on their watch.
Maybe too busy watching the IRA?
heirabbit
July 10, 2005
1:34 pm
I don't see to many facts represented by the assertion that the Patriot Act has somehow deterred crime. It's basically bureaucratic, and keeps cops doing what they like to, which is staying away from dangerous people. Just an aside, but the 9.11 terrorists had legal identities, post-patroit act they would have gotten on the plane all the same. The biggest security threat in America is the insecure border with Mexico, and there's little being done about that. Anybody could walk accross carrying anything, and it's still that way. The provocations leading to the terrorist response have only increased, and I'd still say the U.S. is a prime target.
Dan
July 10, 2005
1:49 pm
"I don't see to many facts represented by the assertion that the Patriot Act has somehow deterred crime."

It's not designed to. It's designed to deter terrorism.

George Friedman argued that August 2004 was the best time for an al-Qaeda attack, and so the US government "ran interference" with USA PATRIOT powers

http://tdaxp.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/01/27/america_s_secret_war.html