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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ninjas in the Congo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-38158</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ninjas in the Congo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hydro PowerPop Quiz - Poverty EconomicsThe Heart of AfricaEconomic Liberalism ListRumsfeld Signs Up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Save The GOP &#187; News Round-up</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7529</link>
		<dc:creator>Save The GOP &#187; News Round-up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by the Economist emanating out of Ituri, a region in the North East Congo Basin.  Hat-tip: Coming Anarchy 	&quot;Even by the standards of war, some of the atrocities in  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by the Economist emanating out of Ituri, a region in the North East Congo Basin.  Hat-tip: Coming Anarchy 	&#8220;Even by the standards of war, some of the atrocities in  [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7427</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not a need for peackeepers, but peacemakers.  Militias do not care about peace agreements or cease-fires, they only understand brute force.  Various examples can be found in the conduct of armed groups in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo, Darfur/South Sudan, Angola, Senegal, etc etc.  Only when the groups have been beaten into submission or decimated will there be stability of any kind.

It won&#039;t take American troops, but it will take an American &quot;Africa&quot; policy that looks towards long-term trends and developments rather than the reactionary policy we&#039;ve had for decades.  American/NATO nations training the militaries of African nations will help, especially if the training is not just a one-shot affair but a decade-long process with good, useful relationships established between both parties.

We cannot save everyone, but we must put a serious effort into doing what is possible and what is neccesary for our security.

Btw, if Clinton had not ran from Somalia, Somalia would likely be in a far different state than it is now.  We staggered the warlords, but at the first instance of serious casualties, we pulled out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not a need for peackeepers, but peacemakers.  Militias do not care about peace agreements or cease-fires, they only understand brute force.  Various examples can be found in the conduct of armed groups in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo, Darfur/South Sudan, Angola, Senegal, etc etc.  Only when the groups have been beaten into submission or decimated will there be stability of any kind.</p>

<p>It won&#8217;t take American troops, but it will take an American &#8220;Africa&#8221; policy that looks towards long-term trends and developments rather than the reactionary policy we&#8217;ve had for decades.  American/NATO nations training the militaries of African nations will help, especially if the training is not just a one-shot affair but a decade-long process with good, useful relationships established between both parties.</p>

<p>We cannot save everyone, but we must put a serious effort into doing what is possible and what is neccesary for our security.</p>

<p>Btw, if Clinton had not ran from Somalia, Somalia would likely be in a far different state than it is now.  We staggered the warlords, but at the first instance of serious casualties, we pulled out.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7425</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot stabilize Africa by sending in the &quot;peacekeepers&quot;.  You want to know why?  Because the African&#039;s want to fight, they want to carve out empires for themselves, the same as they have done for centuries, before and after the white man came.  So how many lives is it worth to force them to put down their guns?  How many American soldiers (because no one else will/can do it) should die so that warlord A is kept from butchering the people of warlord B?  The US will never send troops; Somalia taught us a needed lesson that should have been known to wiser men before that.  You cannot save people who don&#039;t want to be saved.  Terrorists might hide in Africa and if they do we will find them and kill them there, but we are not in the nation building business, nor should we be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot stabilize Africa by sending in the &#8220;peacekeepers&#8221;.  You want to know why?  Because the African&#8217;s want to fight, they want to carve out empires for themselves, the same as they have done for centuries, before and after the white man came.  So how many lives is it worth to force them to put down their guns?  How many American soldiers (because no one else will/can do it) should die so that warlord A is kept from butchering the people of warlord B?  The US will never send troops; Somalia taught us a needed lesson that should have been known to wiser men before that.  You cannot save people who don&#8217;t want to be saved.  Terrorists might hide in Africa and if they do we will find them and kill them there, but we are not in the nation building business, nor should we be.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: This is Martey Dodoo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7393</link>
		<dc:creator>This is Martey Dodoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Importance of the DRC&lt;/strong&gt;

	Curzon at Coming Anarchy points to an Economist article on the Democratic Republic of the Congo. I disagree with the article&#8217;s assertion that stability or the lack thereof in the DRC will make or break Africa (it seems too close to the pre-war c...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Importance of the <span class="caps">DRC</span></strong></p>

<p>	Curzon at Coming Anarchy points to an Economist article on the Democratic Republic of the Congo. I disagree with the article&#8217;s assertion that stability or the lack thereof in the <span class="caps">DRC </span>will make or break Africa (it seems too close to the pre-war c&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7391</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As David Alton notes in an op-ed that can be viewed on Passion Of The Present, 

&quot;....Africa&#039;s centres of conflict &quot;â€œ and Darfur remains what the United Nations has described as &quot;the world&#039;s greatest humanitarian catastrophe &quot;â€œ hold the key to all other issues. The self-sufficient and self-reliant people of Darfur were never dependent on hand-outs and aid and were not in need of G8 Summits and the rest. It is man-made conflict that has dispossessed them and until that conflict is resolved progress of any kind is impossible.....&quot;

There can be no hopeful future for Africa until the powers that be take strong, bold and forceful action to punish and wipe out these militias that terrorize the people and destabilize the various corridors of the continent.

Otherwise, its going to be hell on earth in Africa for decades to come, regardless of what one or three progressing countries accomplish.

This is alarming when addressed with our self-interest in mind, let alone morality.  One or more failed states in Africa (or regions of unabashed chaos and mayhem) constitute a direct threat to the security of America, as terrorists can head there to reconstitute after their losses in the WOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As David Alton notes in an op-ed that can be viewed on Passion Of The Present, </p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Africa&#8217;s centres of conflict &#8220;&acirc;€œ and Darfur remains what the United Nations has described as &#8220;the world&#8217;s greatest humanitarian catastrophe &#8220;&acirc;€œ hold the key to all other issues. The self-sufficient and self-reliant people of Darfur were never dependent on hand-outs and aid and were not in need of G8 Summits and the rest. It is man-made conflict that has dispossessed them and until that conflict is resolved progress of any kind is impossible&#8230;..&#8221;</p>

<p>There can be no hopeful future for Africa until the powers that be take strong, bold and forceful action to punish and wipe out these militias that terrorize the people and destabilize the various corridors of the continent.</p>

<p>Otherwise, its going to be hell on earth in Africa for decades to come, regardless of what one or three progressing countries accomplish.</p>

<p>This is alarming when addressed with our self-interest in mind, let alone morality.  One or more failed states in Africa (or regions of unabashed chaos and mayhem) constitute a direct threat to the security of America, as terrorists can head there to reconstitute after their losses in the <span class="caps">WOT.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/06/11/the-heart-of-africa/comment-page-1/#comment-7381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even by the standards of war, some of the atrocities in eastern Congo are shocking. Zainabo Alfani, for example, was stopped by men in uniform on a road in Ituri last year. She and 13 other women were ordered to strip, to see if they had long vaginal lips, which the gunmen believed would have magical properties. The 13 others did not, and were killed on the spot. Zainabo did. The gunmen cut them off and then gang-raped her. Then they cooked and ate her two daughters in front of her. They also ate chunks of Zainabo&#039;s flesh. She escaped, but had contracted HIV. She told her story to the UN in February, and died in March.&quot;

You want peace in Congo, then get rid of all the people.  I mean read this stuff!  They are out of control.  Without aid from the outside world Africa would depopulate within 50 years.

Another choice quote:

&quot;. . . his men are alleged to have eaten people. Mr Bemba dismisses the allegation, but it is widely believed and will not endear him to voters.&quot;

Really?  No way, I thought cannibalism was something the voters would definately want in a Congolese president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even by the standards of war, some of the atrocities in eastern Congo are shocking. Zainabo Alfani, for example, was stopped by men in uniform on a road in Ituri last year. She and 13 other women were ordered to strip, to see if they had long vaginal lips, which the gunmen believed would have magical properties. The 13 others did not, and were killed on the spot. Zainabo did. The gunmen cut them off and then gang-raped her. Then they cooked and ate her two daughters in front of her. They also ate chunks of Zainabo&#8217;s flesh. She escaped, but had contracted <span class="caps">HIV.</span> She told her story to the UN in February, and died in March.&#8221;</p>

<p>You want peace in Congo, then get rid of all the people.  I mean read this stuff!  They are out of control.  Without aid from the outside world Africa would depopulate within 50 years.</p>

<p>Another choice quote:</p>

<p>&#8220;. . . his men are alleged to have eaten people. Mr Bemba dismisses the allegation, but it is widely believed and will not endear him to voters.&#8221;</p>

<p>Really?  No way, I thought cannibalism was something the voters would definately want in a Congolese president.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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