So I wake up this morning to see that North Korea may carry out a nuclear test next month, that they may already have nuke (OK, old news), but what’s worse, they once again shot a missile in Japan’s direction across the Japan Sea. (I’ll refrain from profanity, but I’ll let this fellow yank speak for me.)
Back in December, when this blog saw 600 visitors per month (which we now see in half a day) I said that we should preemptively strike North Korea with several nuclear warheads without warning. Of course I can admit that the argument looks nuts—until you consider what we’re facing instead. Our North Korea policy rests on the blind faith in the hope that North Korea doesn’t go totally nuts. This isn’t the Soviet Union, China, or France. Considering the threat we face with an insane rogue nation with just enough nukes to destroy the world as we know it, preemptive strikes are not a consideration we should ignore.

The argument hinges on this assumption: war with North Korea—who threaten violence at every turn, and who have shown their capacity for deception and vile conduct at every opportunity—is inevitable. Even if you don’t agree, note this Newsweek story that argues that Kim Jong Il and his thugs will fall from power guns blazing. This isn’t Gorbachev, understanding his place in history, or Deng Xiaoping looking to the long-term future of his country. This is not a rational geopolitical leader. Kim and his ilk will die in office or be killed trying to preserve their power because they know what will happen when their authoritarian regime crumbles. There is no asylum in Panama. There is no reform or transfer of power to the Korean National Congress. The result is a war, no matter how you try and shape it. The question becomes: do we let them pick the time and place, or do we make war on our terms? Hence, I believe we should strike first.
There are enormous risks to such a strike, no doubt. But consider what we risk if North Korea makes the first move. Seoul has a concentrated urban population of over 10 million, greater Tokyo 33 million. Stop and think about what will happen if the DPRK launch even one missile. (Talk about how we can’t afford not to research and develop missile defense) . Millions dead, the world economy damaged like nothing we’ve seen since WWII, enemies worldwide will be emboldened, and a perfect opportunity for China to make its move on whatever it pleases.
And it’s not just the populations of our allies. There are moral considerations in North Korea as well (and even if you don’t buy this on geopolitical grounds, it should certainly be made to the public). A strike on North Korea will probably kill tens, (maybe even hundreds of) thousands. But millions have starved in the DPRK since Clinton decided not to invade North Korea in 1994. The worse decision is, and has been, to do nothing.
Finally, look at the broader, worldwide view. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the JFK administration was just as concerned about Berlin as they were about Cuba. Likewise, this is aimed just as much at Iran as it is designed to deal with the tailbone of the Cold War. War with North Korea is inevitable—a greater Middle Eastern war is possible, even probable, if Iran gets nukes. I think the EU3 deal to stop Iran’s nuclear program is a disaster. Premptively striking North Korea scare the pants off the Mullahs, because it would nullify their nuclear deterent. The underlying goal should be that Iran’s leaders think something along the lines of, “Dear Allah, those Americans really are that crazy. . .“ That might be all we can do to stop them from actually getting nukes—the belief that we will strike them before they finish development. (I also think this would be more effective than striking Iran.)
The scary thing about this is that we don’t even know if North Korea has nukes. At least we don’t know for sure. And we don’t know how many they have if they do. They’ve never tested a nuke. But considering the aforementioned risks, let’s give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.
What follows a multi-missile attack that targets all their facilities? The primary goal should be to eviscerate their offensive capability, make sure generals in North Korea know that this isn’t armageddon, and turn the regime fratricidal. Attempted coups have taken place in the past, or have at least advanced past the planning phase. Work out a deal with some generals to convince them that we want to work with them in a post-KJI North Korea and demand transparency. Tough? Of course. Just ask yourself what the alternative is.

Comments to this entry
Plunge
May 2, 2005
2:39 pm
1) Do you think China will sit blithely by and let this happen unanswered?
2) Do you think South Korea or Japan will not respond in a very negative way?
3) In fact, won't every nation in the world condemn us for our actions and do their best to destroy us economically since they can't militarily?
You are talking about making the US a true pariah in the world. I shudder to think of the repercussions.
I understand not wanting to wait until NK blows its top, but what you are suggesting is to turn the US into the monster everyone thinks we already are.
I agree that something needs to be done. I would support an all out invasion, an assassination attempt on Kim the numnut, targeted strikes against facilities and the like. Hell, use everything in our arsenal short of WMDs. Going with the nuclear option is just too far in my opinion.
There are just too many questions about whether NK even has the ability to make such a strike to consider the nuclear option.
praktike
May 2, 2005
2:44 pm
Saru
May 2, 2005
2:48 pm
Such as?
Eddie Beaver
May 2, 2005
3:09 pm
Any and all primary US force projection ships like my aircraft carrier (the Japan-based Kitty Hawk), 7th fleet flagship, the guided missile ships... all would be struck by Chinese subs and missiles and damaged severely, if not sunk (if the fleet was not vaporized to begin with in our homeport of Yokosuka by a sneak nuke attack).
Islands the Japanese and Chinese have disputed ownership claims would be seized by the Chinese.
Perhaps even Vietnam would fall to Chinese domination?
My own problem with this most daring and interesting post is:
Say the Chinese swarm the peninsula in defense of their North Korean allies and attack South Korea and the US forces there?
You handle N. Korea (and I cringe saying this) by getting together with China, Japan, Russia and South Korea, having a 5 nation summit, and get the Chinese to go to the UN (or hell, screw the UNSC anyway) and push for an intervention in North Korea on the basis of humanitarian emergency, the likely WMDS N. Korea has and the growing risk of N. Korean collapse.
Have all five of our nations (and other Asian represenatives) handle the reunification of the Koreas under our joint supervision.
This is the one and only time where I would wholeheartedly support Chinese aggression. Chinese rule ain't great, but it'd be a hell of a lot better than N. Korean rule for the N. Korean people and it would remove the "Bad-Guy Wal-Mart" of the world.
Gabriel Mihalache
May 2, 2005
3:17 pm
Saru
May 2, 2005
3:27 pm
Taiwan is destroyed and overrun by the Chinese. The 7th fleet is hit by Chinese subs, and just in case the North Koreans forget to hit Yokosuka, the Chinese take care of it for them. The Chinese finally get the Senkakus, and maybe even Vietnam.
And they would gain what, exactly, from all of this?
War with their second and third largest trading partners. And assuming they invade Vietnam, a member of ASEAN, then war is likely with their fourth largest partner as well.
An North Korea is the irrational actor here?
Finally, if there is an expectation that the Chinese will go on a rampage in the event of a first strike by North Korea, how can they be expected to sit idly by while the U.S. drops nukes on one of their border countries?
BillyBob
May 2, 2005
3:33 pm
Eddie Beaver
May 2, 2005
3:44 pm
If North Korea attacks first, they would likely wipe out much of Japan's population centers. Remember they hate and despite the Japanese, whereas they just want to conquer the South Koreans. South Korea would be overrun by the North Koreans.
You're China... your no.1 rival (America) and no.1 historical enemy and nearby rival (Japan) are locked into war with the North Koreans. In japan's case, if nukes were used; millions of deaths have happened on a scale the Japanese have never experienced before, if nukes weren't used, hundreds of thousands of death have occured, an unspeakable atrocity for Japanese to accept calmly.
The Japanese will suspect, as many Americans and others do, that China either had warning of North Korea's intentions or had a hand in allowing North Korea to attack. North Korea is kept afloat by Chinese energy and trade, nothing more, nothing loss, unless you count the blackmail money and resources from the sunshine boys in South Korea, which is piecemeal compared to the Chinese contribution.
China is going to be going to war with these two powers (and their allies all over the region and world) very shortly, either after the US turns N. Korea into a parking lot or whenever the conventional war (very doubtful that would happen) the N. Koreans started is brought to a halt via their defeat.
Nobody is stupid here. Everyone realizes China has major sway, if not considerable control with N. Korea. A war started by N. Korea will not end with their defeat but with a new war against the tyrants in Beijing.
I don't consider the Chinese to be very rational lately either. They erase years of hard-earned deceptive tactics and efforts in Asia trying to convince Asian nations that they are not an aggressive military power intent on reclaiming lost land and reliving past glories.
Then they (a) pass a needless anti-seccession law that wipes all their good credit out with the rest of the region, showing them to be nothing more than a more complicated and perhaps powerful version of the imperalistic Japanese effort in the 20's and 30's that dominated Asia and (b) engage in a poorly hidden smear campaign against Japan that leads to protests that raised the tension between the two powers greatly.
Some rational thinking there on the Chinese tyrants part.
KimcheeGI
May 2, 2005
4:15 pm
Plunge
May 2, 2005
4:39 pm
Dave Schuler
May 2, 2005
5:42 pm
Eddie Beaver, there are a few things you really ought to check out. First, who do you think China's largest investors are? China may move to invade Taiwan but they won't attempt to destroy Taiwan. Second, how many nuclear weapons do you think North Korea has? The most extravagant estimates I've heard fall far short of the ability to destroy Japanese population centers. You might try looking at a map of Japan. Nominally pacifist disarmed Japan has the largest police force in the world and I wouldn't be at all surprised if whatever attack North Korea could actually muster against Japan would receive a response such as the world has never seen. Finally, the idea that China has high-tech military superpower ambitions with which they intend to become a military rival to the United States is a paranoid fantasy. The Chinese oligarchs know the U. S. and its capabilities pretty well (far better than we know them). Their main objective is stability at home not military domination of the region.
Joe
May 2, 2005
5:55 pm
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8:13 pm
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Mutantfrog
May 2, 2005
8:27 pm
Mutantfrog
May 2, 2005
8:31 pm
Think for a second about the amount of radiation fallout you would get from nuking an active nuclear plant...
Jing
May 2, 2005
9:03 pm
The problem with this type of thinking (geostrategery if you will allow me to indulge in a Bushism) is that it is essentially staring at a grand far off strategem while ignoring the many pitfalls in reality that are almost certain to derail it. Something I would have to say your favourite Kaplan indulges in much the same.
In response to Eddie Beaver, I have to say that you are suffering from a similar delirium. Specious theorycrafting a series of improbable/ludicrous events based on thinking too rigidly bound by ideology.
Eddie Beaver
May 2, 2005
9:35 pm
(A) I do not support the idea of preemptively nuking N. Korea.
(B) I really doubt the Chinese would stand by passively and allow that to happen. In fact, I wonder how they would respond to "any" US attack on N. Korea.
(C) We train based on these types of "ludicrious" scenarios all the time. They may seem improbable to you, but everyone is entitled to their viewpoint, especially based on what they've known, seen and experienced. We run the gauntlet from the most obvious scenarios to more improbable ones. Nothing is impossible though, especially not from two regimes that have wiped out tens of millions of people in their short lifetimes.
(D) Jimmy Carter, more than anyone else, is responsible for what came out of the 1994 crisis. It was his "jet set" diplomacy to N. Korea without the permission of the Clinton Administration that created the disasterous deal in the first place. Had Carter not appeased the world's most dangerous rogue state, perhaps there would have been a war. Considering how Clinton led the military in his presidency, that's a frightening thought.
For Dave Schuler:
(A) Even more worrisome than N. Korea's nukes are its chem/bio capability, which has been described as extensive by most analysts. How many people would die from missiles tipped with a chemical weapon or biological weapon? Probably as many if not more than a nuclear weapon, considering the sorry state of chem/bio response teams and systems around the world.
(B) Where did I say China was trying to match the US in military superpower status? As Kaplan's article plainly states, along with every major intelligence analysis (from both private and government sources) I've heard of the past few years, China is boosting its submarine forces rapidly, along with its entire navy. Do you realize the US Navy's no.1 weakness right now is its lack of a solid, effective anti-submarine warfare system? Even with a new anti-submarine aircraft deployed in the skies, the Chinese subs could still cause a lot of damage to our ships.
Its also enhancing its missile capabilities in order to strike at ships at sea and forces in Taiwan. I didn't say Taiwan would be destroyed by the Chinese, just taken over.
(C) I disagree with your assesment of China's intentions.
(D) I agree with your faith in Japan's ability to surprise with its military. However, the road to becoming a real, true blue fighting force is still a ways off for them. They're on their way though.
Curzon
May 3, 2005
1:53 am
Thank you all for participating, that was great to read. I find it interesting that the two commenters closest to, although not in favor of, the argument were none other than two military personnel, both based in the region. That's food for thought if nothing more.
Gabriel and Plunge raise two good points: the use of nuclear weapons would make us a pariah; and why not a conventional, non-nuclear strike? Thank you gentlemen, Her Majesty's Foreign Ministry has taken note.
Dan
May 3, 2005
3:17 am
mark safranski
May 3, 2005
4:39 am
We'd have a lot more moral wiggle room blowing up illegal nuclear labs and secret police command centers in a mega-Osirak than in vaporizing half of North Korea.
Sinking a DPRK ship or plane carrying nuke tech abroad is also a good message.
Younghusband
May 3, 2005
5:35 am
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And "young" my aristocratic ass! I was born in 1859! -- G.N.Curzon
Jing
May 3, 2005
8:01 am
Eddie Beaver
May 3, 2005
8:26 am
The Peking Duck
May 3, 2005
7:38 pm
Interesting post and even more interesting comments. Go join the fun. Via Danwei....
boran
May 3, 2005
9:26 pm
robert
May 4, 2005
1:46 am
lirelou
May 4, 2005
4:53 am
p.s. On Seoul as a Nork target: While Seoul is only the world's 20th largest city in terms of population, it is also the second most densely populated city in the world, after Hong Kong. According to The Economist, Seoul had 23,908 persons per square kilometer as per the 2000 census, placing it second to HK's 28,405 ppsk.
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Filthy Stinking No.9
May 4, 2005
9:58 am
Personally, I think the Chinese should be encouraged to invade and annex North Korea. It would solve so many problems, and frankly, I can't see a downside.
Forster
May 4, 2005
1:30 pm
in iraq, the US uses iraqi oil to finance the occupation but north korea is not exactly a resource rich country.
nk is a good buffer but it is not economically viable for the chinese to annex the country. the chinese are natural businessmen and would have done their sums LOL
the chinese would rather give enough to keep the regime from collasping and put up barriers at the border to keep the refugees out.
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