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	<title>Comments on: 21st Century&#160;Sexism?</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-16632</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a male I have and will continue to ride in women only train cars. I refuse to be treated like a criminal because of my gender. I pay the same price that women do for tickets but now the train company expects me to accept less service than women? Unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a male I have and will continue to ride in women only train cars. I refuse to be treated like a criminal because of my gender. I pay the same price that women do for tickets but now the train company expects me to accept less service than women? Unacceptable.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Japanese Men Fight Back!</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-8171</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Japanese Men Fight Back!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ly train cars in Japan.  See Joe&#8217;s take on the issue here, or see my own prior posts here and here.  	Some background information for those of you new to the su [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ly train cars in Japan.  See Joe&#8217;s take on the issue here, or see my own prior posts here and here.  	Some background information for those of you new to the su [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ComingAnarchy.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Women-Only Cars Introduced in Tokyo</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator>ComingAnarchy.com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Women-Only Cars Introduced in Tokyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rican lawsuit? asks Joe over at NichiNichi.  I think it&#8217;s borderline discrimination, as noted in this post.  Joe seems to agree, but also notes that some Japane [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rican lawsuit? asks Joe over at NichiNichi.  I think it&#8217;s borderline discrimination, as noted in this post.  Joe seems to agree, but also notes that some Japane [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC is &quot;late&quot;:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4245955.stm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <span class="caps">BBC </span>is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4245955.stm">late</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Those are two awful stories, but I want to know how they could drag a woman through the train ticketing booth unnoticed??

Here is the article. Sorry for the low quality. Maybe we can get MF or Adamu to translate it. For those that can&#039;t read Japanese here are some quick details: The train was packed, it happened on the Marunouchi Subway line, she was dragged out at Nanba Station right in downtown Osaka (pop 16 million). MF and Adamu, _yoroshiku_.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.cominganarchy.com/wordpress/wp-content/old_uploads/osakarape.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Article in Mainichi&quot; title=&quot;Article in Mainichi&quot; class=&quot;centered&quot;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those are two awful stories, but I want to know how they could drag a woman through the train ticketing booth unnoticed??</p></blockquote>

<p>Here is the article. Sorry for the low quality. Maybe we can get MF or Adamu to translate it. For those that can&#8217;t read Japanese here are some quick details: The train was packed, it happened on the Marunouchi Subway line, she was dragged out at Nanba Station right in downtown Osaka (pop 16 million). MF and Adamu, <em>yoroshiku</em>.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.cominganarchy.com/wordpress/wp-content/old_uploads/osakarape.gif" alt="Article in Mainichi" title="Article in Mainichi" class="centered"/></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is if those chikans got &quot;more than four years?&quot;:http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/01/07/crime-and-punishment-in-japan/

I&#039;m starting to think cultural situation in Japan justifies the women-only cars.  But I agree whith Younghusband, this is just a solution to a symptom, not the root causes of the problem itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is if those chikans got <a href="http://www.cominganarchy.com/2005/01/07/crime-and-punishment-in-japan/">more than four years?</a></p>

<p>I&#8217;m starting to think cultural situation in Japan justifies the women-only cars.  But I agree whith Younghusband, this is just a solution to a symptom, not the root causes of the problem itself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are two awful stories, but I want to know how they could drag a woman through the train ticketing   booth unnoticed??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are two awful stories, but I want to know how they could drag a woman through the train ticketing   booth unnoticed??</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Saru re: &quot;all it took was a woman&#039;s word&quot;

Got a funny story about that. There was a reaction against these kinds of accusations and a guy that was wrongly accused started a group that advocated the rights of &quot;victims of victims.&quot; He was very active in the media and the group became quite famous. Then one day the leader was nailed for a chikan act... caught red-handed!

To Adamu re: &quot;indifferent ears&quot;

Here&#039;s another story to illustrate to those that may not know what we are talking about. About 10 years ago in Osaka there was a situation on a train where a woman was being sexually harassed by two men. One woman spoke up to them, and you know what they did? They started harassing her, then when the train stopped dragged her out of the car and down the street where they raped her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Saru re: &#8220;all it took was a woman&#8217;s word&#8221;</p>

<p>Got a funny story about that. There was a reaction against these kinds of accusations and a guy that was wrongly accused started a group that advocated the rights of &#8220;victims of victims.&#8221; He was very active in the media and the group became quite famous. Then one day the leader was nailed for a chikan act&#8230; caught red-handed!</p>

<p>To Adamu re: &#8220;indifferent ears&#8221;</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s another story to illustrate to those that may not know what we are talking about. About 10 years ago in Osaka there was a situation on a train where a woman was being sexually harassed by two men. One woman spoke up to them, and you know what they did? They started harassing her, then when the train stopped dragged her out of the car and down the street where they raped her.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There are even fuzoku establishments designed to resemble the interior of a train car and male customers can pay young ladies to dress like OLs and such and then grab all they want for a price.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I passed by one of those places in Kabukicho when I went to Tokyo with my cousin visiting from London. They had a big board outside with photographs of the different scenarios you could order. One of them was the lady in a fake traincar, but the thing that really got me was the comic book style speech bubble coming out of her mouth with the words &quot;Yamete kudasai&quot; in it. (English:Please stop it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>There are even fuzoku establishments designed to resemble the interior of a train car and male customers can pay young ladies to dress like OLs and such and then grab all they want for a price.</blockquote>

<p>I passed by one of those places in Kabukicho when I went to Tokyo with my cousin visiting from London. They had a big board outside with photographs of the different scenarios you could order. One of them was the lady in a fake traincar, but the thing that really got me was the comic book style speech bubble coming out of her mouth with the words &#8220;Yamete kudasai&#8221; in it. (English:Please stop it)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Even the ones that are strong enough to report incidents (and this number is increasing every day) are patronized and turned away by police and officials.

Like I said, indifferent ears exist. Especially in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even the ones that are strong enough to report incidents (and this number is increasing every day) are patronized and turned away by police and officials.</p></blockquote>

<p>Like I said, indifferent ears exist. Especially in Japan.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adamu</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Adamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all are aware of two things that haven&#039;t been mentioned in this comments section: the fact that often when women do cry for help or whatever that it often falls on indifferent ears; and that this phenomenon is pretty common in Japan. I&#039;ve never been witness to a chikan situation, but I have been in other situations where someone&#039;s either obnoxious or sick on the train or elsewhere in public and NO ONE does anything about it. 

The point is, Japanese people have this attitude of &quot;what&#039;s my life is my life, and what&#039;s outside is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.&quot; Don&#039;t get me wrong, I see the same thing in DC, but not to the point of ignoring cries for help. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all are aware of two things that haven&#8217;t been mentioned in this comments section: the fact that often when women do cry for help or whatever that it often falls on indifferent ears; and that this phenomenon is pretty common in Japan. I&#8217;ve never been witness to a chikan situation, but I have been in other situations where someone&#8217;s either obnoxious or sick on the train or elsewhere in public and NO <span class="caps">ONE </span>does anything about it. </p>

<p>The point is, Japanese people have this attitude of &#8220;what&#8217;s my life is my life, and what&#8217;s outside is <span class="caps">NONE</span> OF MY <span class="caps">BUSINESS.</span>&#8221; Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I see the same thing in <span class="caps">DC, </span>but not to the point of ignoring cries for help.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Saru</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Saru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I&#039;m here though, I may as well say something about this post. I recall several years ago that the law against chikan was toughened to the point where all it took was a woman&#039;s word and the accused would be arrested. I&#039;m sure most readers here are familiar enough with some of the more questionable Japanese police tactics - holding people for no good reason, not letting them contact anyone, &quot;forcing&quot; them to sign confessions on the condition that they may go free afterwards. At any rate, there were cases where men were innocently arrested because the train was simply too crowded for the woman to be certain who the real offender was. The result of course was job loss (over the arrest) marital problems (&quot;honey, can you pick me up at the koban? I was just arrested for grabbing a girl&#039;s ass. But it wasn&#039;t really me, I swear!&quot;) and of course a good deal of shame and embarrasment for the men involved. I agree with Younghusband that the problem is larger than a simple issue of seperate but equal. There are even fuzoku establishments designed to resemble the interior of a train car and male customers can pay young ladies to dress like OLs and such and then grab all they want for a price. The mere existence of such places speaks volumes about the depth of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;m here though, I may as well say something about this post. I recall several years ago that the law against chikan was toughened to the point where all it took was a woman&#8217;s word and the accused would be arrested. I&#8217;m sure most readers here are familiar enough with some of the more questionable Japanese police tactics &#8211; holding people for no good reason, not letting them contact anyone, &#8220;forcing&#8221; them to sign confessions on the condition that they may go free afterwards. At any rate, there were cases where men were innocently arrested because the train was simply too crowded for the woman to be certain who the real offender was. The result of course was job loss (over the arrest) marital problems (&#8221;honey, can you pick me up at the koban? I was just arrested for grabbing a girl&#8217;s ass. But it wasn&#8217;t really me, I swear!&#8221;) and of course a good deal of shame and embarrasment for the men involved. I agree with Younghusband that the problem is larger than a simple issue of seperate but equal. There are even fuzoku establishments designed to resemble the interior of a train car and male customers can pay young ladies to dress like OLs and such and then grab all they want for a price. The mere existence of such places speaks volumes about the depth of the problem.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Saru</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Saru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be a few more hours on the yuan memo... I managed to get my hands on the Stratfor article and am going over it before posting anything. Apologies for any dissapointment.  Usually people tell me to shut up when I start talking about this stuff, so I&#039;m unacustomed to someone telling me to hurry up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be a few more hours on the yuan memo&#8230; I managed to get my hands on the Stratfor article and am going over it before posting anything. Apologies for any dissapointment.  Usually people tell me to shut up when I start talking about this stuff, so I&#8217;m unacustomed to someone telling me to hurry up!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound surprised! You think an old geezer like me can&#039;t talk policy? 

I may not be up on economics or law, but one thing I do understand is the ladies! In the words of one famous poet: &quot;I knows about da hoes!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound surprised! You think an old geezer like me can&#8217;t talk policy? </p>

<p>I may not be up on economics or law, but one thing I do understand is the ladies! In the words of one famous poet: &#8220;I knows about da hoes!&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, that was an intelligent, policy-conscious response -- nice.  Now where&#039;s Saru with that memo on the yuan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, that was an intelligent, policy-conscious response &#8212; nice.  Now where&#8217;s Saru with that memo on the yuan?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Younghusband</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Younghusband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t think this is a bad solution as long as everyone realizes it is a band-aid solution, and that it should never become long-term policy. 

I know this sounds harsh, and I hate to be the one to say it, but they were _asking_ for it! Now I don&#039;t mean it is because they wear sexy, revealing clothing or anything (I am _definitely not_ advocating they stop doing that!!), I mean because they _don&#039;t say anything_. Women in Japan have some serious disempowerment issues. But I can&#039;t blame it all on the women. Even the ones that are strong enough to report incidents (and this number is increasing every day) are patronized and turned away by police and officials. 

Obviously the real blame should land on the _otaku_ and _oyaji_ that can&#039;t keep their hands to themselves.

So separate cars can be a good solution in the meantime, while certain societal factors are worked through (empowerment issues, sexual repression, the general lameness of Japanese males...), but it shouldn&#039;t be kept in long enough to actually become _part_ of the society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think this is a bad solution as long as everyone realizes it is a band-aid solution, and that it should never become long-term policy. </p>

<p>I know this sounds harsh, and I hate to be the one to say it, but they were <em>asking</em> for it! Now I don&#8217;t mean it is because they wear sexy, revealing clothing or anything (I am <em>definitely not</em> advocating they stop doing that!!), I mean because they <em>don&#8217;t say anything</em>. Women in Japan have some serious disempowerment issues. But I can&#8217;t blame it all on the women. Even the ones that are strong enough to report incidents (and this number is increasing every day) are patronized and turned away by police and officials. </p>

<p>Obviously the real blame should land on the <em>otaku</em> and <em>oyaji</em> that can&#8217;t keep their hands to themselves.</p>

<p>So separate cars can be a good solution in the meantime, while certain societal factors are worked through (empowerment issues, sexual repression, the general lameness of Japanese males&#8230;), but it shouldn&#8217;t be kept in long enough to actually become <em>part</em> of the society.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Summers</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the women doing traveling around?!  They should be in the kitchen where they belong, washing dishes, making dinner and birthing offspring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the women doing traveling around?!  They should be in the kitchen where they belong, washing dishes, making dinner and birthing offspring!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Saru</title>
		<link>http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/25/21st-century-sexism/comment-page-1/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>Saru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you accuse me of trying to start a war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you accuse me of trying to start a war?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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