Comments on: Chinese Turkestan 2004 http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/ Speak Victorian, Think Pagan Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:12:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.7.1 By: ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » The attraction of Chinese imperialism http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-94165 Thu, 25 May 2006 13:05:08 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-94165 [...] Younghusband breaking bread in Chinese Turkestan 2004 [...]

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By: Jim http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-56209 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:48:23 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-56209 To enter China one has to pass through Hunza vally and that’s where I live. He-he!

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By: davesgonechina http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-43782 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:57:54 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-43782 bq. And check out this expat blog of some dude in Xinjiang! http://silkworms.chinesetriad.org

Heh, thanks for the plug. I lived in Urumqi for 3 years, so I have a certain place in my heart for it. If you’re in Xinjiang on holiday though, it’s not where you want to be. The bus is a rough one, but I recommend the bus from Urumqi to Hotan – cuts right through the center of the Taklamakan desert. 30 hours, and waking up to the sun rising in the middle of the desert is unbelievable. Hotan is a great place to visit, especially now that Kashgar is getting the Chinese Disneyfication treatment. The Grand Bazaar and the Id Kah mosque got makeovers, and the Old City in Kashgar is steadily shrinking. Very few Han Chinese tourists go to Hotan – not that I have anything against them, but it makes for a different experience. Plus if you make it to Hotan via the desert, you can stop in Yarkand and Yengisar on the way to Kashgar. Yarkand is undoubtedly the most conservative, Islamically speaking, and Yengisar is little place devoted to knifemaking. On the road to Tashkorgan you can stay in the little Tajik villages near the Pamirs.

Pictures of when I did all that in 2003 can be found at my half-finished photo gallery.

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By: sun bin http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-43691 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:02:13 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-43691 like death valley, but only deeper.
i think it is -154 meter

6 deg celsius/ 1000 m. so it is about 12 deg warmer than Gansu.

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By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-43690 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:12:10 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-43690 Urumqi was cold, but Turpan was PERFECT in March — it apparently gets up to the mid 40sC during the summer (110+F), which is insane.

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By: sun bin http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-43689 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:58:48 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-43689 go to see Tian Chi (Sky Lake) as well.

btw, one of the main problem of these wind mills is that they often succumb to very strong wind at the wrong direction and will fall down. you see the same thing near palm spring, CA.

there is still no good solution in the world, although a few years ago, some ingeneous design were reported.

you went too late, the best season should be june or sep. it must be cold now.

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By: Mike http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-43632 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:33:26 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-43632 Hey. Thanks again for the help finding the guide! My Flickr now has Xinjiang photos as well as the rest of my pictures from China on it. Definitley a worthwhile trip, although I didn’t make it to Kashgar, sadly. I’ll be back… http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacobson/

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By: Sunguh5307 http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17621 Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:00:03 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17621 Make it up to the Altaic region if you can- in August the weather should be the best. Heaven Lake north of Urumqi was one of the most beautiful places I’ve been, once you ditch the tourist areas. Of course, the further north you get the more you would need to get your own vehicle since the roads aren’t great.

Urumqi is only good as a rest area in between, I agree. The more interesting places are definitely Kashgar and Turpan (Kuche not so bad as a point to see other stuff). Great place.

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17580 Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:23:48 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17580 I agree re: Urumqi. Turpan is pretty good, but I would recommend that you GO TO KASHGAR! It is really amazing. And take the plane, as the bus is hell (unless you get one of those newer ones straight from Urumqi). I can hook you up with a guide there if you like (use the contact form to email me).

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By: Curzon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17548 Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:36:19 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17548 Dude, you’ve asked the right guys! Sir Francis and I have both been on seperate occasions, and it’s one of the best places I’ve traveled too.

You can forget Urumqi, the place is a dump. Turpan is PHENOMENAL, and we can hook you up with an excellent and economical guide if you want one (which you do, believe me). I’ve only been that far — Younghusband (both the real life one and on this blog!) has explored the regions nearer to Pakistan, out in Kashgar and the mountains approaching the Kyrgyz Republic.

Feel free to use the contact form in the ABOUT section to contact us directly for more information.

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17545 Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:53:06 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17545 How long will you be there? What cities?

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By: Michael http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17542 Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:09:53 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17542 I’m going to Xinjiang in two weeks, any advice on what to take/do/not to do? I speak Mandarin. Sort of…

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By: ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » Leaving soon http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-17538 Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:17:05 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-17538 [...] Well, the departure date has been set: August 24th. Originally we were to fly to Kingston but Lady Younghusband decided she wanted to see the wonders of Saskatchewan and thus requested to take a land route. Everybody here in BC goes on and on about how there is absolutely nothing there, but she just had to see for herself. Being the gentleman that I am, I offered to accompany her on the 68 hour Greyhound ride to Kingston. This by far outdoes the 38 hour desert-crossing bus ride from hell I endured in China. At least this time we won’t get cholera. [...]

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By: uygur http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:27:01 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-1662 im uygur bae ti uygur

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-466 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:30:02 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-466 Here is a “great post on Uyghur seperatism”:http://cheznadezhda.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/6/197546.html (thanks to “MutantFrog”:http://www.mutantfrog.com).

And check out this expat blog of some dude in Xinjiang! “http://silkworms.chinesetriad.org”:http://silkworms.chinesetriad.org

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By: Saru http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:01:42 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-404 I checked my notes, and I think he said it was the largest windfarm in Asia. China began importing the windmills from Denmark in 1988 and has gradually been replacing them with Chinese-made ones as they wear down. I’ve no idea how frequently this occured, but given their location in the middle of an alternatinly scorchingly hot and hellishly cold, and obviously windy desert, I would imagine they don’t last long.

Don’t know if you put any oil rig photos up, but just in case you did, that began in 1992.

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By: Peter http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-403 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:13:27 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-403 I have to agree with Mr. Wallace – fantastic pictures. Sounds like it was quite a trip. I think most people would be surprised at how different Western China is from the rest of the nation. On my trip through Sichuan/Yunnan/Tibet, I found that these parts operate with significant autonomy, at least culturally. However, we did pass a sizeable military convoy heading into Tibet, probably to reinforce sovreignty. Instead of windmills, we saw at least 30 hydroelectric dams. I would suggest that one should not photograph those… or bridges… ;)

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By: Younghusband http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-402 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:03:17 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-402 You are very welcome, Mr. Wallace.

It is hard to tell from that photo, but those mills weren’t in optimal condition. Although a definite majority were operable, a noticeable number of them were suffering from lack of maintenance, missing blades and sometimes entire heads. I can’t rightly remember but I think our man told us that this was the largest windfarm in China. China is pretty power-starved. In 1995 there was a push to increase this windfarm’s capacity 300% (30MW to 1000MW) by 2000. It currently stands at about 90MW, “fulfilling only 3% of the needs of Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital.”:http://taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2003/10/02/2003070120 Another example of Chinese efficiency…

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By: Alfred Wallace http://cominganarchy.com/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/comment-page-1/#comment-401 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:37:02 +0000 http://www.cominganarchy.com/archives/2005/01/19/chinese-turkestan-2004/#comment-401 Thank you for some wonderful pictures. Is it really true that most of the windmills were rusted solid, or were they merely turned off for lack of need? One of the problems with wind power is adjusting power supply with power demand…

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